How is Roy's time at Fulham relevant to the results he was getting as Liverpool manager?
A Tribute to Roy Hodgson - his LFC legacy in quotes
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Might want to read the relevant posts instead of making assumptions.
B9 made a few statements. I asked him relevant question. He ran away.
Let me recap it for you:
"Roy has no idea how to motivate players"
"What about Fulham"
Poof. Gone.
Anyone who says a coach like Roy, who has a long list of successful reigns as managers of different clubs, doesn't know how to motivate players is a complete moron.
I read them. Still don't get what you're asking. And yes of course, "he ran away".
Are you in pre-school?
Are you in pre-school?
If United were played Fulham who would you support Redwood?
I updated above.
It's pretty obvious.
And feck off.
It's pretty obvious.
And feck off.
Relevant how?
One swallow does not a summer make.
It does seem odd that the idea of context is apparently irrelevant to this thread.
So ironic.
Is it?
How so?
I asked a question directly responding to another's post.
Boss did not.
I'm happy to answer it if he PM's me but it's obvious thread derailment nonsense.
I look forward to answering all the questions about myself in a RedCafe thread about an English manager later....gotta go
Are you running away?
I was referring to our resident Gooner/Scouser/Multiple Personality favourite Alistair.
Yes, I ran away.
Obviously, you're being a WUM but here we go, I'll spell if out for the simple minded.
That was a conversation I had with someone in the early months when Hodgson took over. And it was a disaster, as I've said in every thread about Hodgson since. He takes a while to get a team turned around. It's something I've repeated but what does it not say, Petey?
It's about the moment. Apparently - and you'll find this shocking - it might take some time for him to get the squads under him going. I only say that because he turned the ship around at Fulham quite well.
Just as he has done at many other clubs.
But you obviously knew this and are being a WUM.
WUM indeed.
Obviously, I greatly respect a fan of Arsenal being on a United board. Not sad at all.
Although I'm slightly worried about the sad state of your life considering it must have taken effort to dig up that post.
Still kudos.
Although I'm slightly worried about the sad state of your life considering it must have taken effort to dig up that post.
Still kudos.
Had he found a quote post-Fulham it might be worth something.
Still stands. Took them to Europe. Got them into the final. Turned Zamora into a threat.
But unable to "motivate" players.
He does. Takes a while to get his system going.
Perhaps Liverpool should have given him a bit more time to see if his motivational skills kicked in while playing in the Championship?
Looking at your argument from a different perspective. What happened at Blackburn?
Looking at your argument from a different perspective. What happened at Blackburn?
Ask Brian Kidd. He too can tell you how injuries can feck your job up.
I don´t like scousers
Are Mancs still trying to claim Hodgson did a good job at Liverpool?
This penny is taking an awfully long time to drop.
This penny is taking an awfully long time to drop.
Err. What?
It's a floating penny
now roy is doing a great job now of fecking west brom up, christ why they hire this clown?
Don't worry, it's the new manager bounce. It just works in reverse for Roy. He takes over and everyone knows he's shite so it takes a while for him to brainwash everyone into boredom and indoctrinate his ideas on those forced to play for him. It's a good thing though apparently. Just give him time.
Jeez, I should have known there were scorecards here. Really, I just post to have fun and can't really be bothered with longdrawn out arguments.
Anyway, on the topic of Roy, here's an assesment from a fan of his, Bohinen:
As an FC Copenhagen fan on the side, and having watched him there, I can testify that even when he is succesful, he plays rather bland football. I don't think he is a gifted motivator by any stretch. He knows of how way to play football and, like Bohinen says here, will implement that style and nothing else in training. It's all about structure and team pattern and repetition of this in training. That may work at lesser clubs, but it curtails the best players and Roy had no response to try and motivate his players in the face of it.
He is like a dull and uninspired Benitez without the tactical insight in this regard.
I think Hodgson lost the dressing room because he not only failed to motivate his players, but he simply couldn't get his players to believe in his philosophy. At the higher level, Roy's "36 years of experience" of working with the same method and nothing else translates into 'outdated and uninspiring'. When you have players with years of experience at the highest level, they simply aren't going to buy it when they know from elsewhere what actual top coaching looks like. fwiw, though he did well at FC Copenhagen I also doubt he would be as succesful there now if he went back there. They have moved on and evolved into a better and more modern side than Hodgson's under Solbakken and I reckon the players there would also perceive his tactics as regressive now.
He has been quicker to absolve himself of responsibility than I thought:
Of course, after four or five months with us, he was still arguing how he needed much more time and the chance to buy his own players before any improvement could possibly be made. By anyone.
Can a draw be a win? I lol'ed.
Of course, after four or five months with us, he was still arguing how he needed much more time and the chance to buy his own players before any improvement could possibly be made. By anyone.
Can a draw be a win? I lol'ed.
That is because you choose to be rather dumb. Rescuing a point from almost certain defeat is very much like a win while losing a comfotable 3 goal lead and hanging on is quite the opposite.
What's taking longer is you realising that the people who feel Hodgson was shafted over by your club extend far beyond 'Mancs'.
Shafted? Good lord. You 'Mancs' are something 'else'..
He was out of his depth, BL. His 35 year managerial record shows nothing but mediocrity and certainly nothing warranting a job at a top club.
He certainly wasn't shafted. He was granted an opportunity that should never been afforded him by a couple of shysters who were equally out of their depth.
Most people recognise as much now and Kenny's appointment has put the whole shambolic episode into some sort of perspective.
He's found his level though. Good luck to him.
your players shafted him more like.
In the end the manager is responsible.
But your players should be ashamed. They got paid and gave the manager and the club shit.
Where was the desire and effort? They disgraced the shirt.
He clearly earnt the opportunity - very, very few questioned it at the time.
Look at the resources other managers at similar sized clubs have - look at what Redknapp has to work with at Spurs, look at the resources that welcomed Mourinho and Mancini into big jobs, look at the resources Wenger and Ferguson enjoy. Hodgson had the same pressure but none of the same resources.
Of course Hodgson was shafted - he was given a huge job in such hard up, chaotic and dysfunctional circumstances that he probably ended up wishing he'd been offered that other poisoned chalice - the England job. If he had been, I'd wager even that would have been destined to end better from the start, and that's saying something.
No, he didn't earn the opportunity. There is absolutely nothing in his cv to suggest he was ever up to the job of managing such a big club, where your every word & movement are scrutinised by the media. It's all very well spending most of your footballing life in 2nd rate countries, winning the occasional 2nd rate competition, & being patronised by the English press. & The only people who didn't question his appointment are the mugs on here who haven't got a fecking clue about life outside of OT.
We may have not had too many choices. & Hodgson may have been the best of a bad bunch. But don't kid yourself that this man was ever worthy of such a challenging position.
TBF Roy's handling of the press was very poor. Came across as a very annoying bloke. Perhaps we never noticed it because he was at Fulham and noone gives a shit about a Fulham manager's pressers.