A Tribute to Roy Hodgson - his LFC legacy in quotes

Bilbo said:
You need certain things to turn around a club in the situation Liverpool were in.

Time
Support of players
Support of fans
Sustained investment

In fairness to Hodgson, he had none of those things.
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People keep saying he needs time but refuse to answer the question "How much time do you give a manager who is in danger of taking your club into the Championship?"

If it's fairness you're looking for it's probably fair to say he got 2 or 3 months longer than he should have.
 
Sam.G said:
He had the support of the players and fans to start with. He quickly lost both however.

I agree he didn't have time or investment. Luckily..
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So if Hodgson had sold Torres to a main rival of yours and spunked 35m on Andy Carroll in his first week in the job last summer, he'd have had the benefit of complete support from the Anfield faithful?

I hardly think so, and I hardly think he had the support of players and fans to start with. I mean, Liverpool's players sure had a funny way of showing their support if that's what it was.
 
BaldwinLegend said:
I hardly think so, and I hardly think he had the support of players and fans to start with.
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An oft quoted view on here. The reality was different, mind.

Saying that, you can drum up all sorts of excuses for yer man, Roy but the bottom line is he wasn't up to the job.
 
Sam.G said:
An oft quoted view on here. The reality was different, mind.

Saying that, you can drum up all sorts of excuses for yer man, Roy but the bottom line is he wasn't up to the job.
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Says you? Excuse me if I pass on taking that as a fact then. You can repeat it as often as you like but as your opinion carries no weight, I won't start giving it any more credibility.

So would Hodgson have retained your support if he'd flogged Torres to Chelsea in his first week and spent 35m on Carrol?
 
M'n'M said:
People keep saying he needs time but refuse to answer the question "How much time do you give a manager who is in danger of taking your club into the Championship?"

If it's fairness you're looking for it's probably fair to say he got 2 or 3 months longer than he should have.
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They were never, ever going to get relegated. As it turned out, I think getting rid of him was the right decision, but only because he couldn't get the support of the fans or the players. If that situation was different, he might have done a much better job.
 
Sam.G said:
He had the support of the players and fans to start with. He quickly lost both however.

I agree he didn't have time or investment. Luckily..
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The time you are afforded has to be proportional to how you are performing. Roy wasn't just going through the wobbles of integrating new tactics. He was massively underperforming. It was the worst season in over 50 years for us by the time he was sacked. And he did not have the track record of an Ancelotti to merit glossing over this.

This was his 'shot' at a big club and he blew it within four weeks, never recovered or even showed any signs of recovering. There was no promise of improvement or potential to be seen during his tenure. He was out of his league and is back to his level with WBA - lower half premiership management. Thankfully, we have moved on from the same fate now that he is gone.

Should have been sacked in December when it was overwhelmingly apparent he was out of his depth.
 
This whole Hodgson thing is a big non-issue as far as I'm concerned. I just think its really wierd how Liverpool fans as a collective have handled the situation. Never made any sense to me. They seem to really hate the man.
 
BaldwinLegend said:
Says you? Excuse me if I pass on taking that as a fact then. You can repeat it as often as you like but as your opinion carries no weight, I won't start giving it any more credibility.
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hehe

This type of response is akin to the child who doesn't like what his mother is saying so he puts his hands over his ears and yells. The internet version of, anyway.

We'll agree to disagree on Hodgson though. I am clearly not going to convince you he wasn't up to it, and you have no chance convincing me that he was.
 
That opening post is hilarious. Hodgson was some Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime in his short tenure at Anfield.
 
Sam.G said:
hehe

This type of response is akin to the child who doesn't like what his mother is saying so he puts his hands over his ears and yells. The internet version of, anyway.

We'll agree to disagree on Hodgson though. I am clearly not going to convince you he wasn't up to it, and you have no chance convincing me that he was.
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Not in the least. Sorry, but you repeating ad nauseum that 'he wasn't up to the job' without being able to provide any convincing analysis doesn't really mean anything to me.

Interesting that you've still not shared your thoughts on whether Hodgson would have retained your support if he'd flogged Torres to Chelsea in his first week and spunked 35m on Andy Carroll. I bet you'd have been right behind him, right?

So here goes for a third time - would Hodgson have kept this supposed support you say he had at the time if he'd kicked off his tenure with that?
 
BaldwinLegend said:
So here goes for a third time - would Hodgson have kept this supposed support you say he had at the time if he'd kicked off his tenure with that?
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Hodgson would have bottled it - settling for the easy option of keeping Torres until the summer (when his price would have plummeted). Selling Torres and signing Carroll for £35M is decisive (completely bonkers though).
 
M'n'M said:
What money he did have to spend, he spent on Brad Jones, Christian Poulsen and Paul Knochesky, while shipping Insua and Aquilani out on loan after complaining the squad isn't big enough. Not exactly starting off on the right foot eh?
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:lol:

You left off Raul Meireles

Scored most of their goals in the last few games, leading to their run of form.

Hilarious but expected.
 
Boss said:
Meireles was poor initially because everybody's favourite dunce Roy played him out of his natural position.
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OH. I thought someone had made a comment about his signings and how poor they were. But you want to pretend like I was commenting on something else.

Okay then.

Carry on with switching of goalposts and whatnot.
 
Boss said:
Roy shouldn't be in charge of signings if he's clueless where to play players

Gerrard in central mid


Torres 40 yards away from his team

Meireles on the wing

....dunce
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:lol:

As I said, it was a response who he signed.
 
Feedingseagulls said:
Stop constructing straw men. My post was in reply to yours about the type of manager 'poo would consider to take over - and who would consider them.
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This is a thread about Roy Hodgson, & I asked you a simple question about whether or not you thought he'd done a good job during his short tenure at Anfield. Perfectly reasonable I thought. I've already stated in an earlier post that our circumstances meant we were limited in our choice of managers. Therefore, I wasn't dodging, or deflecting, an issue that I'd already addressed.

So let me ask you the question again, & hopefully you can pack away your own 'straw-men' this time.

Considering Hodgson took over a 7th place side left by Rafa. & taking into account that a caretaker manager who has been out of the game for over 10 years now has them in 6th place. Do you think that Roy did a good job ?
 
BaldwinLegend said:
Interesting that you've still not shared your thoughts on whether Hodgson would have retained your support if he'd flogged Torres to Chelsea in his first week and spunked 35m on Andy Carroll. I bet you'd have been right behind him, right?

So here goes for a third time - would Hodgson have kept this supposed support you say he had at the time if he'd kicked off his tenure with that?
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It's not that interesting because it's a stupid question.

Would he be blamed for Torres leaving in the first week of the job? Of course not, not his fault.

Would he be critisised for signing Carroll for 35m? It sure as hell would raise questions, just like it has with Kenny. We're still waiting to have them answered and the same applies to your hypothetical 'would you have blamed roy'.

If Carroll had gone on to play like Torres did under Roy and with the same results and performances, you bet your sweet ass we would have blamed Roy for it. If he had been decent and with the same results, he probably would have been blamed for overpaying on a decent player.

Whereas if we had been terrific and Carroll totally out of his depth, we'd probably let it slide, albeit with a silent prayer of thanks that Commoli had since then joined the club.
 
redman5 said:
I've already stated in an earlier post that our circumstances meant we were limited in our choice of managers.
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Pellegrini wanted to come. Purslow chose Roy Hodgson over Pellegrini.

A key man in the unholy triumvirate of backstage players bringing their club down with their stupidity, greed and black magic.
 
AlwaysRedwood said:
:lol:

You left off Raul Meireles

Scored most of their goals in the last few games, leading to their run of form.

Hilarious but expected.
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Ok, so win one in six decisions which you negate by not having a clue where to play him. I repeat, not exactly starting off on the right foot.
 
redman5 said:
This is a thread about Roy Hodgson, & I asked you a simple question about whether or not you thought he'd done a good job during his short tenure at Anfield. Perfectly reasonable I thought. I've already stated in an earlier post that our circumstances meant we were limited in our choice of managers. Therefore, I wasn't dodging, or deflecting, an issue that I'd already addressed.

So let me ask you the question again, & hopefully you can pack away your own 'straw-men' this time.

Considering Hodgson took over a 7th place side left by Rafa. & taking into account that a caretaker manager who has been out of the game for over 10 years now has them in 6th place. Do you think that Roy did a good job ?
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I consider it a bit of a non-question tbh. He was not allowed to do the job for which he was hired imo. The players and fans made his position untenable based on a combination of their preconceptions regarding him and a set of unrealistic expectations - they never attempted to work with/for him in any way that could allow success. Their attitude became a self-fulfilling prophecy - so I don't think we have any real idea how Woy might have done if working with realists. In terms of your question there was never a job that Woy was allowed to do.

I've felt for ages that what 'poo fans could never forgive was that he portrayed how bad the club was far more accurately than they could bear. :D
 
Feedingseagulls said:
I consider it a bit of a non-question tbh. He was not allowed to do the job for which he was hired imo. The players and fans made his position untenable based on a combination of their preconceptions regarding him and a set of unrealistic expectations
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How do the fans stop a manager from doing his job, FS? How does that work? Rip up his notes?

The players were behind him to begin with. Maybe they lost respect in the end due to the way he had them playing. Who knows, but Gerrard and Carragher in particular were enthusiastic about his appointment

He had a great opportunity at a great club and blew it. His apologists can (and do) blame the fans, the players or Benitez, but the real culprit is Roy himself. And deep down, he probably knows it. Well he should anyway.
 
How is it a non-question? Because you know the answer you have to give renders the rest of your post pointless?

Let me ask another which I have also failed to get an answer to.

How long should he have been given and at what cost?

And also, I assume you are equally as sympathetic with Rafa after his reign at Inter??
 
Feedingseagulls said:
I consider it a bit of a non-question tbh. He was not allowed to do the job for which he was hired imo. The players and fans made his position untenable based on a combination of their preconceptions regarding him and a set of unrealistic expectations - they never attempted to work with/for him in any way that could allow success. Their attitude became a self-fulfilling prophecy - so I don't think we have any real idea how Woy might have done if working with realists. In terms of your question there was never a job that Woy was allowed to do.
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If anything, it was Roy's own attitude that became a self-fulfilling prophecy.

I don't think anyone was expecting miracles. The whole point of Roy was that he was not exactly inspired but at least he was a pair of 'safe hands'.

Taking us through the relegation zone and eventually overseeing the worst league campaign in over 50 years, with the most dreary football we have ever played... Well, if the fans being unhappy with that is setting unrealistic expectations, I guess it was just never meant to be for Roy. We'll always be expecting better than the worst we got in living memory.
 
Hehe he talks utter shite.

I remember being in a pub the night before we played you lot in the cup. My mate looked at the tele and said 'awww he looks like he could do with a really good sleep'

Looked well out of his depth because, er, he was.
 
B9 said:
If anything, it was Roy's own attitude that became a self-fulfilling prophecy.

I don't think anyone was expecting miracles. The whole point of Roy was that he was not exactly inspired but at least he was a pair of 'safe hands'.

Taking us through the relegation zone and eventually overseeing the worst league campaign in over 50 years, with the most dreary football we have ever played... Well, if the fans being unhappy with that is setting unrealistic expectations, I guess it was just never meant to be for Roy. We'll always be expecting better than the worst we got in living memory.
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Fascinating. Do stick around and share some more of you thoughts.

I'd just like to point out that Hodgson's reign didn't amount to a 'league campaign' so you've strayed once more into the territory of spouting unsubstantiated bollacks again.

Carry on though...
 
BaldwinLegend said:
Fascinating. Do stick around and share some more of you thoughts.

I'd just like to point out that Hodgson's reign didn't amount to a 'league campaign' so you've strayed once more into the territory of spouting unsubstantiated bollacks again.

Carry on though...
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he was shite, but that's very harsh on your man.
 
Liverpool fans don't seem to understand statistics nor hypocrisy.

On the one hand, they said stats can prove anything when it was pointed out that with his game in hand Roy could be up to around 7th which is where Rafa roughly left them. Rubbish they said. Misses the point. Now they are bragging about King Kenny taking them to 6th.
 
Sam.G said:
hehe

This type of response is akin to the child who doesn't like what his mother is saying so he puts his hands over his ears and yells. The internet version of, anyway.

We'll agree to disagree on Hodgson though. I am clearly not going to convince you he wasn't up to it, and you have no chance convincing me that he was.
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Surely the truth is that you will never know but clearly he wasn't give a real chance by either the supporters.

And the reason for that was because he was too honest about the situation of Liverpool. They never liked him to begin with and then blamed everything on him including Torres' unhappiness which it became clear was everything to do with the club and little to do with Roy.

Now King Kenny comes along and wins one big game and a couple of easier matches, gets the crowd going, gives everyone a chance to pretend all their stupor earlier in the season was due to Roy and everyone is happy.
 
lol - aye, I can see how totally misleading that was. Someone might have been fooled into thinking he was here a full season!

How about this: Up until he was sacked, Hodgson was presiding over the worst league performance for that amount of games in over 50 years for Liverpool FC.
 
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