feck GRRM for agreeing to the TV series, being a lazy bastard and ruining a great story.
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There's just no hope in hell that GRRM has completed the books IMO. The guy doesn't have a time table for the 6th book, never mind the 7th.
Who the feck decided to tie it back to the ringing of the bells? Dany goes mad, but she's not mad enough as she has to wait for the bells to ring so that she knows for sure that the people have surrendered before she completely goes berserk. At the very fecking least, if she's gone mad, let her destroy wantonly. don't have sitting on a ledge waiting for the people to surrender before taking it out.
great news, only 6 more weeks 
Useless, kick us in the balls when we're already lying on the floor weeping. What a ballbag, finish your damn books.
It's like a bullshit transfer rumour from Goal.com, you know it's nonsense but a little part of you wants to believe.
Show Dany’s descent into madness is well summarised by Twitter.
A girl does crazy shit when you don’t give her the D.
A girl does crazy shit when you don’t give her the D.
Wonder what the new night's watch will be for?
Stopping the north from trying to harass Tormund while he is playing fetch with Ghost
Another cruel plot twist
Everyone seen this before?
@2cents Aye, been going around for a while - it's interesting how even though it's changed massively a lot of the initial outline is still largely there. Jaime has essentially split into two characters with the version described above being closer to Cersei. Catelyn still dies but in a different way etc. The parts about Bran are interesting - they largely ditched the more fantastical elements of the show for the most part so I imagine his powers will be much more important in the books.
that outline sounds like shitIt's nuts that the sixth book was originally supposed to be the second
Aye it needed some major reworking. The Jon/Arya/Tyrion stuff sounds especially cringe-inducing but I presume Arya would've been aged up a lot in his initial outline.
It's nuts that the sixth book was originally supposed to be the second
If you look at it from the perspective that the story he intends to tell in the sixth book largely is the one that would've been the second, with Daenerys invading Westeros etc, then he's arguably just finished the first act of his three act series. Which you'd imagine makes finishing the books all the more difficult.
Plus the fact that there's almost zero mention in there of what happens beyond the books we've already got. He clearly hadn't and probably still hasn't a clue how to end them.
I think there's supposed to be a time skip of at least 5 years in that initial outline. So depending on how long it took to get to that point, how long the skip was for and how long afterwards Tyrion met her it might work out fine.
Part one: Stark-Lannister war
Intended five year gap
Part Two: Dothraki Invasion
Part Three: Others’ Invasion
Yep, given the first three books comprise the war and the last two books supposedly filled in the Five Year Gap idea, he’s only beginning the intended second part. Of course hopefully he’s diverged considerably from that original outline. If not then no chance it ever gets finished.
Intended five year gap
Part Two: Dothraki Invasion
Part Three: Others’ Invasion
Yep, given the first three books comprise the war and the last two books supposedly filled in the Five Year Gap idea, he’s only beginning the intended second part. Of course hopefully he’s diverged considerably from that original outline. If not then no chance it ever gets finished.
It's been a few years since I read the books but is Jaime finally giving up on Cersei when he burns the letter from her asking for help? Or are there hints he will go back to her eventually? I mostly remember his disgust towards her when he learns about Lancel and her other partners. Tyrion's parting speech to him was brutal
No hints of him going back, it seems he's pretty much done with her. And given he's off for an adventure with Brienne and Stoneheart, it's clear his story is going to play out very differently.
I have a feeling it never was a fecking story. It was just this grand universe in his head that he created and decided to share with us. Its probably why he cant finish the books. Its just too much detail. Even JKR had to leave shit out that she conjoured up just to stick to a storyline.
Nice to have an end to that absurd rumour. Though to honest it might have been better if he had sat down and wrote a new paragraph for Winds of Winter instead.
You guys worrying about the length of the books in comparison to the outline you don't realize volume 3 was always supposed to be the following 2 lines after 20+ years of build up, it goes like this
And the others descended finally from the north and landed at winterfell. After many years of preperation Jon shouted at a dragon for no real reason whilst Bran piloted some birds in the dark, ignoring the battle completely because what use is magic in a great war. Then straight out of nowhere Arya stabbed one of the others and all the rest of them exploded.
And the others descended finally from the north and landed at winterfell. After many years of preperation Jon shouted at a dragon for no real reason whilst Bran piloted some birds in the dark, ignoring the battle completely because what use is magic in a great war. Then straight out of nowhere Arya stabbed one of the others and all the rest of them exploded.
We say, 'Not today'
After all the Azor Ahai/PtwP/Valonqar/Forest Witch/Asshai/Three Eyed Raven prophecies that are not fulfiled, why does people expect green eyes blue eyes prophecies to come true?
Arya is clearly the prince that was promised.
Once Rob is crowned king, his siblings become prince and princess. And as Maester Aemon says in valyrion language the word for prince is gender neutral. Plus in the last episode we saw Arya rise up after burning of kings landing, there was smoke and salt(from the tears of people who lost their loved ones in KL when Dany burned the city down), so she is born among smoke and salt.
What more evidence do you require?
At this point it's more likely there will never be any importance to the azor ahai business in the show.
THE WINDS OF WINTER had been delivered and published four or five years ago… and NO ONE would have been more delighted than me.
THEN feckING WRITE IT
Fastest he's written in years.
To be fair, the rumour started from the actor who plays Barristan Selmy.
If that was the outline of the books I am glad we didnt go down the road. Watching a triangle of Arya, Jon and Tryion would be cringing. Also would not get moments like red wedding and joffery murder. Having said that GRRM should have played a bigger part in writing the end of the series.
I mean, it's still insane to think it's true. It's not like an actor is any less likely to be full of shit.
It is obviously insane, but it came from an actor who actually knows GRRM and played in GoT. It wasn't like an internet rumour.
I was thinking the other day, can Jon burn? Is there evidence either way.
His hand literally got burnt in the first book...