Believe!
Books A Song of Ice and Fire (Books) | TV show? What TV show?
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Believe!
It's a show with Dragons and Zombies in it, why can't it also have coffee cups?
I have a feeling they won't, the show just needed an impressive way for the Night King to take down The Wall. I reckon the Horn of Joramun will take that honour in the books, as it's implied that Mance never found it and therefore Melisandre burned a fake. The Others turning a dragon relies on a lot of elements that haven't appeared in the books and a lot of plot points I can't see Martin writing into future books.
I think we'll see huge divergence from here on in generally. For one, I think Jon's resurrection will come in a form that impacts upon his ability to be a major candidate for the Iron Throne. That would be more in keeping with the other resurrections we've seen which have all had a cost, it would help thin out the cast of claimants without killing folk off and and it would also be the sort of cruel irony that Martin loves: Jon was thought to be Ned's bastard and therefore had no claims to The North, now it turns out he's the rightful heir to the throne but he can't take it.
Remind me about the Horn again? Mance claimed to have it, Jon took it from him when Stannis arrived at the wall, and then Melisandre burned it yeah? What about the horn Ghost found at the Fist with all the dragon glass? Or Euron’s massive horn (tee-hee...). Any chance they might be the horn? It’s one of the many details in the books I find it hard to keep track of.
Basically a magic horn which apparently has the power to destroy the wall or 'wake giants from the earth'. In ADwD Tormund says that Mance never found it but he was happy to let people believe a huge horn he had was the real deal because it served his political purposes. My assumption is that Melisandre was probably well aware of this when she burned it from her conversations with Mance and created the magical green flames herself because she's a big believer in symbolism and doesn't like the truth getting in the way of decent showmanship.
Tormund specifically refers to the fake horn's size as why it was easy for Mance to convince people it was the real thing, which might be a hint that when the horn does pop up it'll be unassuming, like the horn Ghost found rather than a big shiny thing like Euron's, which in any case is from Valyria so it's difficult to see how it could be connected to the far north of Westeros unless there's a shitload of exposition packed in before an eventual reveal a fair way down the line. The horn Ghost found was found at the Fist with dragonglass and a NW cloak which give some credence to the idea that it might has significance to the NW/Others plotline. As far as we currently know Sam has that horn, as when he barters for passage from Bravos to Oldtown it's mentioned that after he's negotiated with the captain all he has left is his clothes and the broken horn. Funnily enough, Sam's family seat is called Horn Hill, founded by a mythical Herndon of the Horn, apparently Bran the Builder's uncle, which could be a hint, a misdirect or a complete coincidence. In any case I feel like Sam having access to the Citadel library might tie together a lot of loose ends in the books. In one of the companion guides it's specifically mentioned that some maesters doubt the horn's existence, which seems an oddly specific detail to add about an artifact from a time which is generally accepted to be in the realms of myth, especially as a likely candidate for the horn is currently in the Citadel. Again, could be a hint, misdirection or just a coincidence.
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Thanks. I'm currently on another re-read, just starting AFFC again now, there's still so much I miss going through them.
They confirmed she gets burned but not by Stannis. For what its worth, Shireen, Selyse and Mel are at the Wall with corpse Jon while Stannis if the pink letter is believed is dead. If he's not dead he's marching for Winterfell.
100% Shireen goes up in flames, but I really doubt it will be Stannis call, more a Mel and Selyse call. Selyse is far more into the whole Lord of Light thing than Stannis.
Val is there too and completely freaked out by Shireen. I suspect she might be involved in any burning decision.
Yup thats a good point, also Selyse is trying to marry Val to someone I can't remember if I'm not mistaken so might forgive an accidental burning. I'd hate to be that poor child. All they have to do to fix her, is get Sam and a hot knife apparently.
All this talk has made me want to re-read them, but what's the point when they are never getting finished?
Believe!
He'd have made millions anyway and he's also an executive producer on the show.
I feel the exact same. I'd love to sit down and re-read and I keep meaning too but its hard to find the motivation, a few days ago I picked up AgoT put it back down and read my kids Percy Jackson book instead... Depressing.
I get the same way every time I finish a book. I think it's time to start them again, then I remember how long it's going to take and that it's going to end in the same spot again. Dunk and Egg books I'll re-read though at some point.
I've read Wheel of Time back to back three times. Sorry, I'm a saddo
Read the entire series once, read books 1-4 a second time and then I was like feck that, not going through those middle books again.
Would definitely re-read it if it wasn't for books 8-11 (although only 9 and 10 are unreadable).
How big on average are the WoT books?
Presimably you are similarly outraged at the other continuity errors they have made in this and all other shows?
Biggish. The entire series is around 3 times as big as ASOIAF. I don't remember exactly but books are somewhere between 600 and 900 pages.
Mat Cauthon rescues those books. Actually, Except for the Andor succession, Faile kidnapping and the Therava/Sevanna villainism, WoT is great. All avoidable story lines. But my tastes are weird. I loved the 4 and 5 books of ASoFAI too.
Saw this on r/GoT...
Seems a more realistic version of dragons vs boats. Haven't actually read Fire & Blood.
Seems a more realistic version of dragons vs boats. Haven't actually read Fire & Blood.
Dragons 1. Boats 0.
I was outraged?
It’s just funny to me after the last few years of the ‘its a show about dragons and tits’ and ‘the writers actually meant X’ defence, they just accidentally revealed how inept/lack of shit giving they are by failing at basic quality control.
About 10000 pages start to finish I'd say, for the series not 1 book. They all clock in approx 700, some 600 some at about 1k.
Saw this on r/GoT...
Seems a more realistic version of dragons vs boats. Haven't actually read Fire & Blood.
Sorry to go off topic but is "loosed great blasts of fire" correct English?
Saw this on r/GoT...
Seems a more realistic version of dragons vs boats. Haven't actually read Fire & Blood.
To be fair, at least historically, scorpions are a much smaller affair than ballistae (and certainly less effective than Qyburn's spear-railguns).
It happens all the time in films and tv shows, its not about "shit giving".I was outraged?
It’s just funny to me after the last few years of the ‘its a show about dragons and tits’ and ‘the writers actually meant X’ defence, they just accidentally revealed how inept/lack of shit giving they are by failing at basic quality control.
No it doesn’t.
You can have actors switching position non-chronologically, plates/cups filled etc, continuity error that stems from reshoots/multiple takes. To first forgetting to take away the cup and then not realising in the editing process and then not the final review before airing takes a series of error/carelessness that shouldn’t be associated with a high budget television show that is a cultural phenomenon and the most popular at the moment.
Yes it does.
10 seconds on google supports this. Huge budget movies like gladiator missing things like a gas tank.. the horror!
https://screenrant.com/worst-continuity-mistakes-movie-history/
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31:40 on, Ian McIlhinney saying that GRRM has already written books 6 and 7 and struck an agreement with D&D not to release them until the show is finished. This can’t be true can it!???
Oh please let it be true.....
Oh please let it be true.....
31:40 on, Ian McIlhinney saying that GRRM has already written books 6 and 7 and struck an agreement with D&D not to release them until the show is finished. This can’t be true can it!???
Oh please let it be true.....
Would love it to be true but find it very hard to believe.
Apparently Ian had some conflict with the showrunners for the way they handled Barristan's death so maybe he's just making up stuff and implicating them in it!
I'd love it to be true, but who knows where he got that from. If it was common knowledge amongst the cast then it would have leaked out before now.
Apparently he’s good friends with GRRM so it might not be common knowledge amongst the rest of the cast.
I will take leave from work the day the books are released if that's true.
I may have misheard him, but I thought he'd said during that interview he hadn't spoken to GRRM since series 1. I'm refusing to get hopes up.
Incidentally, GRRM will be in Belfast in August for a convention. I'm considering going to it.
It's been my theory for a while that he signed a contract to delay the book release till after the show ended. I can believe that.
I guess Fire and Ice really was all about Targ vs Stark then. With Jon squarely in the middle.
Disappointing final season but they just don't have the time to flush out the character arcs they developed. At this point, it's just a visual spectacle. Some of the decisions show has taken is just bizzare.
Would be fantastice if GRRM can give the story the ending that it deserves. Why can't all writers be like Brandon Sanderson and churn out a book every year!