He does in the book as well. I remember because the descriptions of the pain seemed to last forever in his chapters.He burnt his hand on the oil lamp. I can't remember if that's book or show now or both
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Thanks. Been a good 7 years since i read the first book!!
Valonqar kind of came true. She died in her younger brothers arms chocking on dust and ash. All of them kind of came true didn't they?
That's an almighty stretch.
What's the 3-eyed raven prophecy?
Is it? I never expected it to be literal, quite the opposite.
Nope, I think it was a deliberate nod to book fans by the show runners. Obviously they didn't have a compulsion since they hadn't mentioned the Valonqar prophecy on the show, and Cersei technically had a 4th child in her womb while the prophecy said she would have only 3, but the prophecy was technically fulfilled. She wept like anything and when her tears dried up (she stopped crying and closed her eyes), Jaime kept his arms around her shoulders, close to her throat while they died from the cave-in.
They did
That's not a stretch, that's outright baloney
I really dont see how, Jaimes hands were around her neck literally seconds before the collapse. Choking to death isn't hard to fit in.
- the prophecy if it helps
"And when your tears have drowned you, the valonqar shall wrap his hands about your pale white throat and choke the life from you."
- the prophecy if it helps
"And when your tears have drowned you, the valonqar shall wrap his hands about your pale white throat and choke the life from you."
I'm trying to be nicer these days.
Smoke from what the writers were taking when they decided to give the kill to her, and salt from the book readers who are pissed by the shitty writing.
This also works, but it's not just book readers who are pissed by the shitty writing. The sentiment is shared by show watchers too
I can’t be the only one who actually liked it?
I thought it was a fitting end to the saga to prove that there are no ‘good wars’, that all the fighting that they’ve done has really just driven most of these people mad. Yes, some of the decisions on the show have been poor, particularly how quickly the Dany turn seemed to take place, but I’ve loved the spectacle of the whole season. Has been more than worth it for some duff writing. And if we ever get here in the books, I think this section (the burning of Kings Landing) would be terrific, to see it from all of the different perspectives.
I thought it was a fitting end to the saga to prove that there are no ‘good wars’, that all the fighting that they’ve done has really just driven most of these people mad. Yes, some of the decisions on the show have been poor, particularly how quickly the Dany turn seemed to take place, but I’ve loved the spectacle of the whole season. Has been more than worth it for some duff writing. And if we ever get here in the books, I think this section (the burning of Kings Landing) would be terrific, to see it from all of the different perspectives.
I liked it too but my expectations aren't that high anymore. I dont really expect good dialogue, or acting, or character development anymore, it hasn't had any of these things for years. I dont even expect the editing to be that clear or make sense after last season.
The tv show is just tits and dragons with the bullet points of how a much better book will end.
The tv show is just tits and dragons with the bullet points of how a much better book will end.
I know it's going to take bloody ages, but I have decided to reread all of the books. I haven't read them in years and some of the show/book differences have started to blur in my mind. For example, I was actually mildly surprised to recall that Rob Stark isn't a viewpoint character.
The character in the books that I find most interesting doesn't even exist in the show, so it will be interesting to go through that storyline again
The character in the books that I find most interesting doesn't even exist in the show, so it will be interesting to go through that storyline again
Arrianne and her mystical boobs?
Stoneheart
Show definitely haven't read the books.He burnt his hand on the oil lamp. I can't remember if that's book or show now or both
It was never in the show. Maggie's prophecy ended before talking about how she died.
Hasn't really had these since it went mainstream. You get the odd flash every now and again but nothing like the early seasons. This is why the idea that it just became about tits and dragons never rings true to me.
Personally I'm glad it's not. I never liked the adaptation of Spartacus that was mainly nudity and stylised fighting. I didn't want it to turn into that
True enough. The spectacle and set pieces if you prefer. What the show did well 5+ years ago doesn't seem that relevant anymore though. Spartacus is frankly about the tier the more recent seasons are at.
Who would you list as your top 10 warriors/duelists in game of thrones? I would limit the contestants to their abilities in the present in the show, so Young Robert baratheon and Arthur Dayne fx don't count neither Rhaegar.
I think mine would be
1. Jaime Lannister(based on his reputation as the finest swordsman in the 7 kingdoms, killed 10 men in battle against Robb)
2. Khal Drogo (looked like an absolute beast)
3. Oberyn Martell(Took down the mountain with ease lost because of his cockiness)
4. Ser Barristan Selmy (Rated as one of the best ever warriors in the 7 kingdoms, only his age keeps him from being higher)
5. Sandor Clegane
6. Gregor Clegane
7. Brienne
8. Jon Snow
9. Ser Loras
10. Bronn
Technically Arya could be nr 1
I think mine would be
1. Jaime Lannister(based on his reputation as the finest swordsman in the 7 kingdoms, killed 10 men in battle against Robb)
2. Khal Drogo (looked like an absolute beast)
3. Oberyn Martell(Took down the mountain with ease lost because of his cockiness)
4. Ser Barristan Selmy (Rated as one of the best ever warriors in the 7 kingdoms, only his age keeps him from being higher)
5. Sandor Clegane
6. Gregor Clegane
7. Brienne
8. Jon Snow
9. Ser Loras
10. Bronn
Technically Arya could be nr 1
No way is Bronn as low as 10. Wasn't Renly pretty good as well or is that loras can't remember now? I'd go oberyn first anyway.
Renly was decent jousting in tourney's but has no actual combat experience. Loras in the books is one of finest deadliest warriors there is, like Jaime says "He is me when I was young".
I wouldn't say that nr. 10 is low in a show which has so many fighters, but I agree, he could easily be placed higher however he turned down Tyrion bid to champion him against the mountain, because he wasn't confident he'd win. Jon Snow is maybe too high, but in the show, he's very much sold as a warrior. Jon said that Robb was a better swordsman and lance than him though, so he could be included.
Ned Stark could be included as well, but he's difficult to place.
No mention for forgotten man Daario? Victarian seems like a badass as well.
Oh yeah Strong Belwas deserves a mention.
Yeah forgot about him. Such a awful character though.
Yeah Belwas includes a mention. It's difficult to place all these warriors who don't face off against each other. Jorah in the show is also an honorable mention.
Daario? Yeah very strange, dull character, have to wonder what the pay-off is there.
I actually quite like Victarian now, the big dumb brute.
Yeah Dario. My post was mainly about the show characters though. Going by the book characters Garland Tyrrel would be close yo nr 2 or 3. He trains as a swordsman against 4 enemies at the same time. Loras said that he was a better sword than him and led the attack at blackwater in Renly's armour.
The halfhand could also be up there.
How is Drogo second? Everyone else on the list would have him.
Oberyn is number one.
Spear > sword 100% in one on one. He’s better than all the others by virtue of his choice and expertise of weapon.
Maybe Areo Hotah has a shot with his long axe.
Spear > sword 100% in one on one. He’s better than all the others by virtue of his choice and expertise of weapon.
Maybe Areo Hotah has a shot with his long axe.
Why? Hes never lost a battle and destroys another dothraki rival unarmed. Im pretty sure hes Khal on the merit as being strongest fighter.
Fighting other men trained to fight on horseback with swords specifically for that. The others are mostly knights or mercenaries trained for unmmounted combat. They would have armour, weapons better designed for dueling and he'd lose his size advantage with The Mountain and The Hound.
Jon, Brienne and Bronn in the books are nowhere near the elite fighters, while in the show Jon is obviously No. 1.
In the books (not counting people from Essos cause totally different style and we don't know how they match against Westerosi) :
1) Ser Arthur Dayne
2) Ser Barristan Selmy
3) Robert Baratheon
4) Ser Jaime Lannister
5) Prince Oberyn Martell
6) Sandor Clegane
7) Ser Gregor Clegane
Dunno about the final 3 positions, but the likes of Victarion, Greatjon, Royce, Garland and that bodyguard of Prince Doren might be there.
In the books (not counting people from Essos cause totally different style and we don't know how they match against Westerosi) :
1) Ser Arthur Dayne
2) Ser Barristan Selmy
3) Robert Baratheon
4) Ser Jaime Lannister
5) Prince Oberyn Martell
6) Sandor Clegane
7) Ser Gregor Clegane
Dunno about the final 3 positions, but the likes of Victarion, Greatjon, Royce, Garland and that bodyguard of Prince Doren might be there.
The dothraki absolutely smashed the Lannisters army and mocked them for not being able to fight. Also either Robert or Ned says that only a fool meets the dothraki in the fied.
We have warriors without armor like Bronn and Oberyn who relied on the speed and agility for defense and attack. Both destroyed far more heavily armored knights with ease mainly. I also think Khal Drogo does not wear any kind of armour because he feels he needs non.
To be fair, they had air support against Lannisters. Who knows how things would have gone without Drogon, but both Tarly and Jaime looked confident.
But yes, obviously cavalry would defeat infantry all the time, especially if they have the element of surprise.
That was all horse related though. Don't meet the Dothraki on an open field because they are superior horse riders. Drogo is at the top of the Dothraki tree, Westeros is very different. I wouldn't fancy him one on one with any of the others.