Sell Sanchez and we easily have that money without affecting our transfer budget.
A serious look at Mauricio Pochettino
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I’m not saying he wouldn’t be flattered or even interested in a big club, I’m not saying he is staying with us for life I’m saying at this point in time, one year into a new term, having said what he has send I can’t see him going. Now you can turn around and say he’s lieing, saying what we wanna hear as Spurs fans and that contracts mean nothing. But that’s simply your opinion, it’s a straw man argument that I can’t counter because it’s based on your opinion not factual information.
The way he's playing, he either ups his value with a caretaker manager and stays or we have to pay someone to take him off our hands at those wages.
I do not think he will either. Was not my point.
And as a labour lawyer I completely disagree with what you stated in your "general" note. You should ask yourself what the consequence would be if you actually could force an employee to "honour" a contract = carry out work. Then we would be very close to the s**** word I used argumentatively to begin with. What if the contract was for work in a salt mine for 5 years? Just saying. Argumentatively as well btw.
And I am not trying to be an idiot at all, I have been meddling in labour and sports law for quite some time and I am genuinely interested in how this works in the UK.
And why people keeps on stating that United would have to "buy out" his contract. I know how it works in Sweden and generally within the EU, and thats just not it. It might be different in the UK, thats why am asking.
You can have competition clauses in manager contracts for sure, but those are normally limited to one or two years and actually requires the employer to keep paying the manager, not the other way around.
Implying that Poch turned Real down is a speculation at best as well. I'm not saying he'll jump ship straight away, rather than there is a good chance he would do that given the opportunity. Basing your opinion on couple of interviews is also subjective at best.
The Poch to Real was mainly press driven. What we know is that Conte was a much probable option for Real and was strongly rumored, hence some players like Ramos opting their views against the idea. IMO Poch has been a backup choice so far for Real and it was Conte since Lopetegui was sacked as prime candidate.
There'll almost certainly be a restrictive covenant in the event of resigning, as opposed to him getting the boot.
Again I’m not saying Poch wouldnt be interested in United or Real, I am saying he is a very honourable guy. If Levy said he would be willing to allow Poch to leave I’m sure Poch would listen to what the clubs have to offer, and I don’t mean simply salary wise I’m talking a plan or philosophy to build on and see how that goes. Since he is under contract he will happily honour it that’s the kind of guy he comes across as. If Levy wants him to stay he will happily stay, he knows time is on his side. By doing this he isn’t burning any bridges in the future he is simply honouring his contract. Now could his head be turned into kicking up a stink, does he seem the kind to do that? I don’t think so, but who really knows.
No, I agree. He will most likely have some form of competition clause in his contract. In most parts of the EU such clauses are limited to 18-24 months and it would require Spurs to keep paying him during that time. Just to keep him on the sidelines. You cant force him to work.
Another form of longer/more restrictive covenant would be illegal and null and void in most part of the EU at least. Still interested in where this notion of "buying out his contract" is actually coming from.
Poch has basically declared himself interested in the job with a load of waffle whilst saying nothing to rule himself out.
My point is - for better or worse United is very enticing place for a manager to be. We're very patient and even if you under perform you are likely to be given more chances that you'd get at Real for example.
I'm pretty sure Poch knows that. On top of that he'll be given plenty of resources and his salary most likely at the very least doubled. Have to look at it from the other perspective as well - there are many flavors of the month coming every season and for Poch it's nothing certain he'd get job offerings like Real or United in the Summer. He doesn't go with the titles and accolades either.
I would assume that as part of 'buying out the contract', there would be an agreement to waive any such clause. I still can't see it happening, and hope that this isn't every egg the club have.
So 6-7 months of United fans telling how United are a step up from Spurs only to be refuted by Spurs fans on here.
Terrific, this is not going to get boring after a while.
Terrific, this is not going to get boring after a while.
So. Will he bring Harry Kane with him?
Probably just Eriksen and Toby.
In the future, sure, but I think Howe would be too much of a risk right now given the sheer state of the club. He isn't glamorous enough for Woodward either, he will want a big name to match the brand; Poch, Zidane, Conte, Allegri etc.
I think Poch has always been first choice, whether we can lure him away from Spurs is another matter entirely.
I’m agreeing with you it is an inticing job, where have I said it isn’t?
Obviously I meant in the summer. And he'd only need to do it if Levy acts the prick.
How would Levy act the prick exactly?
Crikey, did Pochettino leave Southampton for Spurs, or am I imagining it? The people banging on about ‘loyalty’ need a reality check. Football, like nature, has a food chain and similarly how leaving Southampton for Spurs was a career jump, Pochettino joining United from Spurs would also represent a huge promotion.
There’s only two jobs bigger than United in world football and Pochettino wouldn’t take one of them (Barcelona) due to his Espanyol allegiances. I can see the Madrid job being unappealing to him also based on Perez’s trigger-happy way of running the club, even for (mildly) successful managers. For Pochettino to get the bullet here, he’d have to make an absolute balls of it and I’d imagine he’d seek assurances about being given time to sort out our mess. He has a proven track record of improving teams over a 1-3 year window and he’d be given that here at a minimum. Not so much at Madrid, I think.
There’s only two jobs bigger than United in world football and Pochettino wouldn’t take one of them (Barcelona) due to his Espanyol allegiances. I can see the Madrid job being unappealing to him also based on Perez’s trigger-happy way of running the club, even for (mildly) successful managers. For Pochettino to get the bullet here, he’d have to make an absolute balls of it and I’d imagine he’d seek assurances about being given time to sort out our mess. He has a proven track record of improving teams over a 1-3 year window and he’d be given that here at a minimum. Not so much at Madrid, I think.
Oh so now you're a body language expert are you?
Talk about wishful thinking, that his general demeanor indicated he is off to United
Poch always looks like that, and his response was a standard response he has put in press conference's whenever he is asked about another job at another club. It happened when United sacked LVG and went for Mourinho, it happened when Zidane left Madrid, and it's happening again.
I'm not so stupid to think there is no way Poch could be tempted by the United job, but I repeat, he is so so invested in Spurs, in building up the club to elite level status, leaving a lasting legacy etc He is already one of the highest paid managers in the world, so he wouldn't have to leave for financial reasons. United would have to convince Poch that starting a new project at United is more attractive than continuing the work he is doing at Spurs. It's possible he could be tempted of course, but logic would dictate it highly unlikely, based on the evidence we have available, which is Poch's previous actions, such as Poch already turning down the Madrid job last summer which for a South American manager is an extremely difficult thing to do.
If Poch was to leave, he would have to be convinced that he has taken Spurs as far as he can, that he believes he has no chance of winning a PL title at Spurs. I don't think that is the case, I think he does believe he can achieve all that he wants at Spurs. Am I a little worried he could leave? Of course, I was worried he would go to Madrid last summer, but I find the notion he'd abandon Spurs just as we are entering a new stadium a bit of a stretch. I just can't see this happening in the summer at all, but time will tell.
Stopped reading after the first line of that. No I'm not a body language expert.
A non-compete clause in a football manager's contract? That would make for a bit of interesting litigation. Levy arguing that Poch managing United damages Tottenham's legitimate business interests?
Look into the reasons why he left Southampton, then make an informed post. Also I’m sure he would be very intrested in PSG.
Jose could well be the Real manager by the summer anyway. Perez loves him.
Also you are correct. United is a huge job.
So it is possible for him to change clubs mid season, which was my argument all along?
I doubt if any manager would agree to something like that. They are entitled to move on if they wish
Anything is possible, but it’s highly unlikely. United wouldn’t be looking for a caretaker if they thought the possibility of as high.
By trying to force him to stay. It's not the done thing.
I don't think it much of a stretch to say that some form of this exists, especially since little is done to stop tapping up of managers. Often we hear of clubs paying compensation to the incumbent's employer which would be a way to sweep the clause aside.
From the legal point of view, I don't think it would be difficult to put forward an argument that club A taking club B's manager would, if successful, have a potentially damaging influence on club B's bottom line.
Sorry, has Poch said he wants to go?
Oh, I agree. My post was a bit tongue-in-cheek. Such a thing, even if agreed to, would be virtually unenforceable. It's hard enough dealing with those things in industry, where trade secrets must be protected, and the danger there is that the covenant is too broadly drafted.
It wouldn't be difficult at all to argue it. Getting a court to agree is another matter.
Were we not speaking in hypotheticals here? Surely you get that?
I definitely dont have the desire or patience to discuss this with someone called In Levy I Trust btw. Enjoy the next few months.
Were we not speaking in hypotheticals here? Surely you get that?
I definitely dont have the desire or patience to discuss this with someone called In Levy I Trust btw. Enjoy the next few months.
I certainly will thanks.
So 6-7 months of United fans telling how United are a step up from Spurs only to be refuted by Spurs fans on here.
Terrific, this is not going to get boring after a while.
Basically.
If United are not a step up he won't leave, so why do we care? I don't see the point in arguing whether he's going to go or not, what will be will be. We'll all find out by the end of the season.
I'm not inside Pochettino's head, I don't know how he views his current work at the club or how attractive United would be to him.
It's possible but extremely unlikely if we're being honest. Part of the appeal with Poch comes from the manner in which he conducts himself - honourable/staunch/loyal to a fault - so I'd be disappointed if he up and left Spurs tomorrow to join United.
Depends really. We still don't know what United will do as it's too early to tell. Some high profile managers are available though like Conte. If there is option for Poch I'm sure he'd listen to it and might have some verbal agreement in the middle of the season. United are still in the FA cup and CL, on paper the season can be "saved" and depends how much Woodward and the Glazers want to invest in short term.
My point is chances like that for a top job come and go. Poch has experience to take it to the next level.
While I agree with the sentiment, I don’t think that will put the argument to bed.
Again if United are talking to Poch surely Levy would have to be informed and therefore we as fans would know?
Left fingers in a few pies with that statement. It strikes me he might be indulging in mind games, a bit. Some of his responses to being linked to Real Madrid were tepid and ambiguous as well, weren't they. (bridges closed-off rather than burned down, and all that). I don't think he sees it as his job to reassure or butter-up anyone. I think he takes a dim view of the media circus, and part of him fancies stringing people along.
The main reason why he is unlikely to join is due to the resources in place. If United were to employ the next full term manager you need serious investment as soon as the winter transfer window and that comes with a premium. The other is the financial part of it as Poch will come cheaper come the Summer if we're to entertain the idea.
I don't see the issue with changing clubs and getting promoted though. What guarantee Poch has that he'll be the top spot at United's managerial list come the Summer? Opportunities like this come and go. If you are offered a much lucrative contract and better career opportunity tomorrow will you turn it down, due to being loyal to your company?