Spurs would never let their manager go to Man United unless Poch kicked up a real stink and he does not seem the type.
A serious look at Mauricio Pochettino
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Spurs would never let their manager go to Man United unless Poch kicked up a real stink and he does not seem the type.
It was like watching a different sport going from the United game to the Spurs game.
Thing that stood out more than anything was the work rate. We could learn a thing from Spurs’ transfer strategy too. They don’t have any passengers, they don’t sign players who can’t run, even the players who don’t possess the greatest ability will run all day long. And the ones that do will still run all day long.
You cannot underestimate hard work and intensity and yesterday was embarrassing watching the contrast between United and Spurs.
Thing that stood out more than anything was the work rate. We could learn a thing from Spurs’ transfer strategy too. They don’t have any passengers, they don’t sign players who can’t run, even the players who don’t possess the greatest ability will run all day long. And the ones that do will still run all day long.
You cannot underestimate hard work and intensity and yesterday was embarrassing watching the contrast between United and Spurs.
Dealt a worse hand than our guy over the summer. Just got on with it .
They have it in their locker to just ambush teams. I remember Guardiola had a great start at City but went to WHL and got completely overpowered from minute one. When Spurs win big games they are more often than not very emphatic.
I respect your view but I think players/employees that kick up a fuss at their current clubs do so usually because there is an enabler at the background. I mean behind an employee who wants to leave, there usually is a party urging that employee on i.e. tapping him up.
I know there is really nothing we can use to lure Poch now except maybe our financial muscle. I not only think we can get Poch, I also believe he is ideal for us at this time.
I also recognize that you may be right as the man would have to agree to all our advances before a deal can be struck.
Do Spurs have a say? I was under the impression a manager can just be bought out and the situation was different to players?
He can by himself out of his contract but it would absolutely ruin his reputation. I don’t think you actually know much about Poch if you think that’s even a possibility. His head wasn’t turned by Madrid I doubt it will be turned by anyone, he will leave Spurs when he thinks he can no longer progress with us.
I think Pochettino is also in a pretty comfortable position at Spurs. They've got a pretty settled team, a couple of players like Eriksen and Kane who are now among the best in the league and he's accumulated plenty of credit for the work he's done there in the last 5 years.
He's a manager who can see a project through but what we can offer is largely based on money and potential. Taking that plunge would involve starting again and risking his reputation and if he wanted to do that, Madrid could offer what we can and more.
They're only 3 points off Liverpool so that usually means being in a title race as we've seen with SAF's teams down the years.
It would also ruin his bank balance - 4 year's worth of contract times millions per year.
We might, we're only 3 points behind. Let's not gobble up the liverpool storyline that they are guaranteed top 2, they haven't been that impressive.
To be honest it looks like he's taken you as far as you can go. Only a matter of time before he acts on it.
It would probably be paid for by the new employer.
I think I would rather listen to the man himself than take the word of you thanks, and again if you think Poch would go down the route of buying himself out of his contract I suggest you learn a bit more about the guy.
I bet he’s frustrated as hell knowing that he could achieve a lot more if he had money to spend like the other top 4 rivals do. If Spurs had a 150m blowout summer last time round they would be in a much stronger position to challenge for the title. Players like Sissoko and Dier can obviously be improved on and they lack quality depth.
Poch has pretty much done all he can with this squad and not being able to sign anyone this summer yet still maintaining their position is itself a great achievement. Trophies will come at his next job and I can’t understand why any Utd fan wouldn’t want him. He’s worked his way up from Soton to Spurs and now he’s earned the right to manage a big club.
Surely it's nailed on that he'll end up at Real isn't it?
Maybe we'll see him at our club one day but I don't think it will be direct from Spurs.
Maybe we'll see him at our club one day but I don't think it will be direct from Spurs.
.What has the man himself said?
Well, two years ago (i.e. before signing his new contract last summer) he said:
“Sir Alex Ferguson is a very special person. He was given the security to build his legacy at Manchester United. But I believe we are special, too, and we can build it here together."
That was two years ago though. Didn't he say how he was unhappy this season at the beginning? There are certainly signs of frustration now from his end.
I don't think a world class manager will stay at Spurs too long with the way Levy spends. Its just not enough to challenge domestically and he knows that.
I'm not trying to demean your club here, I just don't think you will keep Poch too long if you can't compete financially.
I imagine that Pochettino fully knows that "the way Levy spends" has been almost entirely connected with funding the new stadium, but these costs will start to ease in due course. It's a long-term project, which is probably part of the attraction for him.
Well apart from signing a new contract in the summer, he is quoted on the 18th November as saying...
“In football, everything is very dynamic but the important thing is we are carrying out an exciting project at Tottenham.
“There are things that link me with their future and I want to be there for a long time.”
He has been constantly linked away along with our best players and still the manager and the players are still at the club.
Why would he come here over RM? Its no secret they are big admirers and if he quit his Spurs project they would be throwing hand fulls of cash at him.
Nor do I think he is remotely a good match for how our club is set up currently. Pochettino has the yes or no vote on all xfers in and out at Spurs. It is his team to build as he likes. In fact he is allowed the freedom to sign a player then for whatever reason move that player on. Look at Janssen, signed for 30mil, quite a lot for Spurs. Poch deemed him not good enough.
Same with his ruthless culling of the team when he arrived. Including the club captain.
Woody would have to takes his hands off the wheel and let Poch take over for all footballing matters. Which I dont see him doing. None of this investment player rubbish, if you are deemed not good enough by Poch, regardless of reputation, there is the door.
I think it's the main reason he signed on for a long term project with Spurs. The amount of control he is afforded over the team.
It was patently obvious Poch turned down Madrid last summer, what else do people want as a sign of his commitment to Spurs?
Does anyone honestly think Real Madrid wanted to appoint Lopetegui over Poch? Or Solari now? If Poch wanted to move he'd be at Madrid already. The fact is, Madrid is a poisoned chalice, why give up a top 4 gig in the best league in the world to go to Madrid? Yes, he has a better chance of winning major trophies, but he also has a much better chance of being jobless again in 6 months, and then where does Poch go? It would be difficult for him to manage another top 4 club in the PL after being at Spurs for 5 years, and I can't seen him being too enthused with Italy. I suppose PSG or Bayern but the point is, the PL is really the place to be. He's got a fantastic gig, yes Spurs could back him more financially but he knew the project from the start so it's no surprise to him. I just don't see why Poch trades in the gig he has got at Spurs, for Madrid. It's a huge huge gamble he doesn't need to make at this time. He is young and he can go to Madrid many years down the line. Madrid job comes free every season or two minimum.
With regards to United, I think it's practically impossible to entice him. Poch seems a very very loyal manager and whilst no one should ever take that loyalty for granted, I find it unfathomable that he would think it to leave Spurs for another english club, where he is already pretty much a legendary manager, (looking at 4 consecutive top 4 finishes) is a remarkable surpassing of expectations at Spurs and unheralded. He would ruin all that, and basically completely tarnish his memory and time at Spurs, I know it sounds stupid, but he's even mates with the likes of Ricky Villa and Ossie Ardiles, who are ex Spurs legends, Poch and Spurs just fit, the Argentinian Spurs connection is just there, I can't imagine him throwing all that away at all. If he leaves, it will be abroad, many many years down the line hopefully.
Does anyone honestly think Real Madrid wanted to appoint Lopetegui over Poch? Or Solari now? If Poch wanted to move he'd be at Madrid already. The fact is, Madrid is a poisoned chalice, why give up a top 4 gig in the best league in the world to go to Madrid? Yes, he has a better chance of winning major trophies, but he also has a much better chance of being jobless again in 6 months, and then where does Poch go? It would be difficult for him to manage another top 4 club in the PL after being at Spurs for 5 years, and I can't seen him being too enthused with Italy. I suppose PSG or Bayern but the point is, the PL is really the place to be. He's got a fantastic gig, yes Spurs could back him more financially but he knew the project from the start so it's no surprise to him. I just don't see why Poch trades in the gig he has got at Spurs, for Madrid. It's a huge huge gamble he doesn't need to make at this time. He is young and he can go to Madrid many years down the line. Madrid job comes free every season or two minimum.
With regards to United, I think it's practically impossible to entice him. Poch seems a very very loyal manager and whilst no one should ever take that loyalty for granted, I find it unfathomable that he would think it to leave Spurs for another english club, where he is already pretty much a legendary manager, (looking at 4 consecutive top 4 finishes) is a remarkable surpassing of expectations at Spurs and unheralded. He would ruin all that, and basically completely tarnish his memory and time at Spurs, I know it sounds stupid, but he's even mates with the likes of Ricky Villa and Ossie Ardiles, who are ex Spurs legends, Poch and Spurs just fit, the Argentinian Spurs connection is just there, I can't imagine him throwing all that away at all. If he leaves, it will be abroad, many many years down the line hopefully.
Agreed. To be clear I'm not saying I wouldn't take him, I just don't think he'd come.
Get this lad to United! He looks like my boss as well, who is sound, and he comes across as sound, so get him in!
If United continue to show the same incompetent attitude with on the field matters then Pochettino wouldn't even give us a second glance.
What we offer is huge. For any manager. United are top 3 to 5 clubs in the world, and we have been in a bad way for 5+ years. Like lebron James with the lakers, any manager would love to come here and resurrect the beast. Fergie took that challenge happily, he was a talented up and coming manager, yet to prove himself at a giant.
Madrid have nothing else to achieve, they got la decima. United have 3 European cups. Like with fergie, the challenge is there to knock Liverpool off their European perch. The challenge is there to get nearer to Madrid even.
Managing United is a huge, dream job for anyone, and I’d be shocked if pochettino didn’t privately admit to seeing it as such.
Top top manager. May not have the charisma on camera as some of the others, but in working with the teams and players he has had at his disposal, he has done a magnificent job wherever he has been.
That is Levy, not Pochettino, getting max value for his players. Spurs having been selling their players for great prices before Poch got there.
Also Poch inherited a squad with a lot of young talent, including Kane, Eriksen, Lamela, Walker, Rose and Vertonghen. Dembele and lloris were also part of the original squad. That is a very good young core to build around.
What one should credit Poch for is his development and integration of young and unknown players. His initial transfers were budget buys though with less than 50% success rate.
My main problem with him is his failure to win anything in 4 seasons and his failure to shed the spurs weak mentality tag. If he cant seem to manage a team to deal with Spur's level pressure, can he get a team to deal with United's pressure level.
Jose signed a player to control the midfield who looks shot after 1 season.
Jose publicly berates the players for lacking heart, not a great way to motivate them.
We have a few players who don't and never have worked hard enough for the team.
Squad needs surgery and a new manager. Be a big job for whoever takes is on.
There are still some genuine idiots harping about "winning mentality" who don't want him as our next manager. God help those people, seriously.
I don't think there's any decent chance of him ever being our manager, sorry lads. Fortunately, there's plenty of bright young people in management out there, we just have to be a bit more proactive in looking for the "next Poch" - he came from Southampton before Spurs, so those are the types of managers we should be looking for. We simply don't have the luxury to wait for the finished product at the moment.
There are good risks and bad risks when appointing managers, that's the whole trick of the trade when making appointments. Us appointing Moyes is a great example of a terrible risk. Spurs appointing Poch - a good risk that's paying off. We should be looking not to hire Poch, but to take a similar approach to what led Levy to hire him in the first place. I.e. look for intelligent young managers who understand the modern game and are highly capable of coaching and leading a young team in a positive way.
There are good risks and bad risks when appointing managers, that's the whole trick of the trade when making appointments. Us appointing Moyes is a great example of a terrible risk. Spurs appointing Poch - a good risk that's paying off. We should be looking not to hire Poch, but to take a similar approach to what led Levy to hire him in the first place. I.e. look for intelligent young managers who understand the modern game and are highly capable of coaching and leading a young team in a positive way.
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We would have as much chance signing Kane as we would have getting Poch.
I can't see him going to united unless his relation with levy deteriorates so badly he effectively resigns. He may have more money to play with, but I reckon it will also be longer before he can make them competitive. I reckon he would fancy his chances of getting there with spurs sooner than with united. Too much of a poisoned chalice.
Madrid or PSG in the summer looks like a distinct possibility though. Eriksen will probably follow.
Madrid or PSG in the summer looks like a distinct possibility though. Eriksen will probably follow.
It only takes one good transfer window to change everything.
Like it or not, some managers are more competitive than others, and simply desire to win more e.g. there is no way SAF would have stayed at Arsenal with their 'top 4 trophy' mentality.
If you care about winning silverware, then you should care about the mentality of the manager.
He's the best coach in the league with the (possible) exception of Guardiola. He has done absolute wonders at Spurs. United poaching Van Gaal from Spurs was the best thing that has happened to Spurs in their recent history.
I also agree with the earlier comments that it's extremely unlikely he will ever manage United. He doesn't seem to hold the prestige of the club in any real esteem and I'd be amazed if he left Spurs for another English club.
PSG or Real seem his most likely next destinations.
I also agree with the earlier comments that it's extremely unlikely he will ever manage United. He doesn't seem to hold the prestige of the club in any real esteem and I'd be amazed if he left Spurs for another English club.
PSG or Real seem his most likely next destinations.
I would give an arm for us to get him. Bring him and a good DoF and we are in business. I'd even buy a ST if I can, though I live in Birms.
Best coach in the league based on what exactly? To be classed as the best then you've got to have trophies under your belt.