I think Fergie should pay him a visit.
A serious look at Mauricio Pochettino
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He's exactly what we need. We've heaps of young talents that just need developing. Pay Spurs whatever it takes
Ranieri or Poch?
he's a fantastic coach, just because he hasn't won anything (yet) doesn't change that
I mean, Di Matteo has a champions league trophy to his name. Off the top of my head, there probably aren’t more than 10 managers in world football who have won a champions league. Does this put Di Matteo in the top 10 managers in the world?
Some people speak about managers as if they are the actual athlete in an individual sport.
The fee was £19.9m, not £30m.
This thread is quite funny though. Every time we go through a little rough patch, this thread is bumped with posters claiming this shows his level, how he's not as impressive as people think he is. And every time we do something good (go on a run, beat a good team etc), its full of the posters who like him proclaiming all this nice stuff about him! Very little grey in football
I actually think the opposite of this. I don't think Poch would ever manage Chelsea or Arsenal but I don't know if he feels that having now spent 5 years here, this would preclude him from managing Liverpool or the 2 Manchester clubs. He is very loyal so I'm not sure.
However, if he were happy to do so, I think Man Utd would be a far better fit for him personally than Real Madrid. I love Poch, think he's the best thing to happen to Spurs in decades but current Poch would get eaten alive at Madrid imo. I just don't think his philosophy and the club match. I think Man Utd would give him much more time, would probably be less pressure and he'd have pretty mich equal amounts of money. I think he'd be given more control than he would at Real too.
Regardless, Poch has come out again and again saying he wants to build a dynasty here and wants to be here a long time. He may be lying but I;ve seen no reason so far not to take what he says at face value so I will hope to enjoy Poch for quite a bit longer.
He'll manage one of Barca or Real next imo.
It's not all that huge in comparison with what he has at Spurs: stability, a settled squad with many talented footballers (including the world's best striker), freedom to do what he wants, a long-term strategy in place and unfolding well, living in one of the world's major capital cities, a fantastic new stadium soon to open, a state-of-the art training centre, a much higher chance than United of CL football again next season, and the prospect of purse-strings starting to loosen a little compared to last 4 years.
Much of the United appeal that you suggest rests on a reputation and stature that's based on achievements during the Fergie era. But that era finished 6 years ago and counting. I doubt Pochettino cares much about such past glories. He will be much more focused on prospects in the here-and-now.
The only solid thing that United could offer him is more money, both for his salary and for the player budget. But he could earn as much if not more at RM if so inclined.
And how much is a much larger player budget really worth when he'd have to start largely from scratch in trying to slowly build a squad that's as cohesive and effective as the squad he already has at Spurs and can play the way he wants? I think Pochettino knows that a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
Come on man he will never manage Barca, I would stake my house on it.
Would you take Raineri over Pochettino just because he's won trophies? Or Benitez over Pochettino just because he's a CL winner?
It's an absolute incredible achievement that inspite of spending nothing so far, he's anywhere close to Liverpool and City in the table so far and that too when Eriksen and Alli have largely been missing quite a few of season.
"winning mentality" is just a cliche used by only United fans now. Our previous two managers were LvG and Mourinho, managers who've won feck loads, look where that has lead us.
I'm not even arguing whether he'll come to United or not but the idea that some United fans still don't see him as good enough to manage our club is just astounding.
"winning mentality" is just a cliche used by only United fans now. Our previous two managers were LvG and Mourinho, managers who've won feck loads, look where that has lead us.
I'm not even arguing whether he'll come to United or not but the idea that some United fans still don't see him as good enough to manage our club is just astounding.
Agree.
Think United fans are a tad deluded with our club's stature at present.The only thing,as you alluded too,we can offer is more money.How shallow is that.
And even then that's hardly a guarantee Poch would even consider it.
Why would Poch consider leaving anyway.He's got everything set up perfectly at Spurs,who are soon to be heading into their new modern stadium.
Everything is bright and hopeful for Spurs.Why drop that for the incompetent and bleak circus of Manchester United football club.
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I think he's comitted to Spurs for the foreseeable future. Always considered him a Spurs Wenger, someone whos determined to pull the club up to new heights and keep them there. That might change if Levy goes crazy and starts selling players but while the core unit remains I think he'll stay.
First big test will be next summer when Eriksen will have only 1 year left on his contract and also good chance Toby will leave.
I'm very excited that Eriksen and Alli are coming back.
It is an easy cliche that means nothing really. Ranieri has won a league title more recently than Mourinho, Di Matteo a CL. I doubt many United fans would take them over Mourinho.
I'd be surprised if he wasn't the top choice when Mourinho goes. Whether he would make the move is still debatable I think.
I don't buy into the idea he has to win the league or a cup to prove his quality. The fact that Spurs are able to challenge consistently is an achievement in itself. No one is going to topple Man City this season and no one could have last season. You can't knock him for not winning the title in those years. The Leicester title winning season was their best opportunity, but I wouldn't call it a failure for a pretty young and new side not to win it that year either.
LVG and Mourinho have won multiple titles in different countries and they have both struggled immensely to improve the squad and to modernise the teams style of play.
I don't buy into the idea he has to win the league or a cup to prove his quality. The fact that Spurs are able to challenge consistently is an achievement in itself. No one is going to topple Man City this season and no one could have last season. You can't knock him for not winning the title in those years. The Leicester title winning season was their best opportunity, but I wouldn't call it a failure for a pretty young and new side not to win it that year either.
LVG and Mourinho have won multiple titles in different countries and they have both struggled immensely to improve the squad and to modernise the teams style of play.
Yeah you should be, Spurs have been won quite a few matches where they were outplayed but won due to grit and luck.
I expect that to change now that Eriksen and Alli are back. Still think a backup striker is needed in January, but Levy is Levy.
I’d be amazed if we haven’t made noises in his direction already. I’d also be more amazed if they weren’t rebuffed immediately.
Yep, its been a very gritty start to the season but those 2 back should make a big difference. Its just a shame that we couldn't do the same vs Inter or PSV, very disappointed with those.
The backup striker is a difficult situation. Kane will play pretty much every game. We have tried the young up and comer (Jannsen), the old timer who won't want that many minutes (Llorente) but both have failed. I'm not sure we have the money to have a great striker as backup and not sure who would want to come knowing they would be back up.
Son is a good intermediate. Often plays behind Kane but can play striker pretty well when called upon.
If we can upgrade in CM, I'd be very happy.
Honestly, it's quite depressing that a team which has a midfield of Sisokko, Dier, Dembele and Winks is so far ahead of us in league table.
I'm not so worried with a back up striker, as I'd trust the offensive players we have. We don't need a traditional nr 9 to play, and I think we have played well when Kane has been missing.
Like you say though, an improvement in midfield is much needed, thank god Sissoko finally came good, but we desperately need more strength there.
Dont think United are in a position to click their fingers and expect Pochettino to come running to their knees.
The grass in this instance is certainly not greener.
The grass in this instance is certainly not greener.
I think some United fans would take a potted plant over Mourinho.
Sisokko has been fantastic for the last 5 or 6 games, something seems to have clicked with him long may it continue.
No cos their winning record is not enough to overcome their short comings, but I will take Conte and Allegri over him.
If Poch was still at Southampton, I would give him the benefit of the doubt, but he has enough quality in his spurs squad and has had enough opportunities to win the FA or LC in his 4.5 seasons at Spurs. Also, the team simply seem to fail to step up when the stakes are high and the jab by Chielini simply drives it home.
You would swap Jose for Conte? I can’t imagine many United fans being on that boat.
It's currently not very green, but it's not like Spurs have any chance whatsoever at winning the league or the Champions League. They are a better team than us at present, in fact their best team in modern history, still they have absolutely nothing to show for it. We have a very weak team and stature compared to the last twenty, extremely successful years, still we are barely below them or even at the same wavelength (finished higher last season). Our potential is limitless due to size, history, fans and finances, Spurs have probably hit their peak (again, without winning anything at all) - and it's not much Pochettino can do about it the next few years whilst Liverpool and City are around. And let's not forget Arsenal, Chelsea either, both bigger clubs with better traction than Spurs. Spurs is an admirable club built on sound values over the last years, but they have two characters that deserve bigger and better - namely Harry Kane and their manager. I do not think Pochettino will come to United, but there will be a time when he says feck it, I want to win stuff and that's impossible with Spurs in the current climate. The same goes for Harry Kane, he'll be 26 when the next season starts and has 4-5 years at absolute peak left. He has won zero trophies so far in his career and never even played a final, the itch will come if he has any ambitions. Nobody will ever care about him being the top scorer in Spurs' history.
The grass at Old Trafford will always be greener compared to Spurs, even under present conditions. It won't take many signings to bring us back in contention, a project many top managers would love to be a part of. When I think of Spurs, I think glass ceiling and there's nothing to suggest it will change. They had a huge, huge shot this summer at bringing in some top players to enforce their already good squad, but blew it completely.. keeping them exactly where they are now, behind the best with no chance at competing.
While there is much I agree with you here on you have no idea how the owner ship of Spurs will change in the next few years. I would be surprised if ENIC is still here in 2-3 to be honest. Mega rich owner, willing to invest? Who knows what will happen, not saying I’m all for it but that’s the end game for ENIC. City and Chelsea have been transformed with money.
Please try to read properly - I would pick Conte over Pochettino
Hang on, so if Pochettino had won a FA Cup or LC, then he'd have been magically good enough to manage United in your eyes? What kind of logic is that?
So you would take him in place of Jose then?
There is nothing magical about it. If you have a team capable of winning but repeatedly fall short then yes I would question your suitability for United or any club with title ambitions.
If he had delivered one or more silverware, then yes it would allay my concerns and be deemed suitable as he already checks all the other boxes.
It might not matter to you, but it matters to me
Are you on a permanent loopback?
No your saying you would take Conte over Poch, meaning you would have him as United manager. Conte is a good manager don’t get me wrong but his style is very like Jose’s and most United fans are saying that’s not the style they want, and a United manager should play like that.
He has developed a style of play that has made his team perform far better than the sum of its parts. He has improved under performing big signings like Eriksen and Lamela and has developed young promising players like Kane, Alli, Trippier and Dier into top international footballers.
He dealt with the Alderweireld issues last season extremely well, throwing in a young player in Sanchez who played superbly. He's also nurtured the likes of Winks and Foyth who are looking like real first team players.
Spurs are a genuine regular top 4 contender and are the first club to do that via an organic build in many many years.
Saying he is the best is a bit far fetched, but he is certainly one of the best. Pep and Klopp can argue they are better and rightly so.
Pep certainly is but I don't think Klopp has been any better than Pochettino if we compare the spending and league positions. Felt that Conte is very underrated, that Chelsea win in first season was incredible avhievement.
So, in a hypothetical scenario where Jose leaves, would Poch be someone we simply shouldn't consider because of this record? There are plenty of managers worse than him who have won trophies who would be a way worse fit for us.