That's squad member, no way they can get in our first team, with the except of Sanchez who could get in over Toby or Vert.
A serious look at Mauricio Pochettino
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That's squad member, no way they can get in our first team, with the except of Sanchez who could get in over Toby or Vert.
Let’s say Poch and Mou exchanged jobs in July of this year. Poch would have Utd and whatever they spent while Mou would have Spurs and no money to sign a single player.
Who do you think would be doing better this season? Poch at Utd or Mou at Spurs?
I think Poch is the most logical replacement for Mou at the end of the season. He is the man you need to get the best out of your existing team full of talented players nevermind the hundreds of millions available to improve on it. Mourinho can take credit for it as well. It’s win win win.
Who do you think would be doing better this season? Poch at Utd or Mou at Spurs?
I think Poch is the most logical replacement for Mou at the end of the season. He is the man you need to get the best out of your existing team full of talented players nevermind the hundreds of millions available to improve on it. Mourinho can take credit for it as well. It’s win win win.
Shaw is by a mile better than Rose, Tripper is debatable as he is better at attacking but in Jose's defensive team, I'd prefer to pick Valencia/Young over him, Eriksen and Pogba cannot work together in 4-3-3 unless we switch to 4-2-3-1 where Pogba will sit deep and Eriksen play as ACM. Dier is average, I'd pick Herrera/Matic (if returned to his form) over him. So that would be 4 spurs player who could get in the team.
Some manager are built for the big boys. Some are built for the midtable. I'm not saying poch is a guaranteed failure at the bigger club, but just because you did good on a smaller club doesnt always translate to bigger club. Madrid is the prime example, many great coach such as capello, luxemburgo, etc goes there and fail while being successful somewhere.
Being with a big club and managing big name players requires a different set of skills. Something unproven manager may or may not possess.
Ranieri won the league with Leicester city because he's big enough for them to command respect from his player then, they follow his instructions. If he manages madrid or united it'll be a different story. We had our own experience with our players mocking moyes because he came from everton. As much as i think moyes out of his depth it's hard to motivate and instruct players who has won more than you.
On the other flip side of the coin great managers coming to midtable clubs enjoy greater benefit of doubt and players would certainly more inclined to follow his instruction.
If Mourinho manages spurs he might get them to play better than us. Probably. I dont know. But there's alot of non technical aspect involved.
The club clearly thought he was and, lo and behold, like Shaw, the few fans bemoaning his signing were wrong. Besides, the likes of Alli and Toby were highly regarded prior to Spurs signing them.
Anyway we are digressing here. Irrespective of how instrumental Poch was been in getting this team to this level, he now isn't producing the performances and results a team of this quality is capable of. At a club like United, he would expect to acheive more with these players.
You lost me at Valencia over Trippier.
Look like you've been paying attention to his world cup, not his Spurs form? I wouldn't choose Tripper, he'd be benched by Jose if he plays like that way, getting out of position often and poor defensively, the only thing he is better at is crossing and a free kick.
I've been paying attention to Valencia, who has been absolutely awful for a while now, and due to his age, we can't put it down to poor form. I don't think you'll find many who agree with you.
He was better at the start and 2016/17, he played with injury and outperformed Tripper last season before the world cup, Tripper is overrated, I wouldn't want him. I'd prefer Dalot.
Nonsense.
The bolded really needs to stop being regurgitated.Winning in the past does not guarantee winning in the future. This is such an oversimplified conclusion to draw that it doesn't even deserve much of a response. This is nothing more that. In addition, for you to dismiss Pochettino's accomplishments as Spurs manager because "they are a good side" ignores what he did with Southampton.
The truth is there are 5 teams in the same league with more spending power and an ability to pay higher wages. Also during this bad run of form Alli and Erkisen have been injured. Which brings me to my next point:
I told you in my previous post, but you ignored it. They lack squad depth, and that is apparent with the injuries they have sustained. Ask a Spurs fan if they were happy standing pat this summer. Your post isn't based on the reality of the situation. It's nothing more than a veiled defense of Jose, sprinkled with half truths and the propping of past glory.
He hasn't even got the best out of that Spurs team by any stretch of the imagination. Fergie would have that team winning titles.
Ivaldo is correct if we had Spurs team we would be expecting to win the title or come very close. Poch gets afforded a waiver because of the badge on the shirt.
They used to finish 4th-5th under Harry, this team is absolutely miles better than what they had then. Finishing 3rd or 4th a miracle improvement it's the least expected.
Does Spurs under Poch finishing 2nd twice in the last 3 seasons count as coming very close? Spurs lack depth and have a huge financial handicap which prevents them from signing the 2-3 players they need to win something.
Their midfield is average and there is no depth in attack. After Kane there is Llorente and they have no quality midfielders either as many have pointed out. A manager of a club that size that has spent so little should have had a min of 150 mil to spend by now yet Poch makes do with 0.
I think he’s done a fantastic job given how competitive the league is now compared to how it was when Redknapp was manager.
Winning in the past? How long ago is the past for you? You dismiss Mourinho's achievements that were 2 years ago and expect me to applaud Pochettino for finishing in the top 10, 5 years ago? Nothing is a guarantee of the future but, a history or track record is surely a better indicator of success.
You speak of Alli or Ericksen being injured. Who does United have when Pogba or Lukaku is injured? Very few sides have subs who are on the same level as the starters. United surely does not. This depth argument is one of the frequently regurgitated talking points that no longer holds true. Again, I 'll repeat that, in my opinion, they have a balanced side and the money talk is just an excuse for failure.
I am not here to defend Mourinho and chastise Pochettino. If you were able to see beyond your bias you would realize that. And that's all I will say on this matter.
Fair enough. I've always said that different managers have different abilities. I don't think many managers could do what Poch has done here at Spurs. On the flip side, I think that Poch (currently anyway) would fail at Real. The way he manages would not work at Real.
Your second question is ultimately not something we can know for sure until Poch finds himself in that situation. Hopefully (for me) with Spurs, once the stadium funds start kicking in and we have a revenue not that far from Liverpool, Arsenal etc (the two Manchester clubs are unreachable) or with a club with much more resources.
Realistically, nobody can say for sure how things will go once he finds himself in that situation.
I'm not looking at them as Spurs. They don't have the personnel to win big trophies. The group stage exit would be poor regardless so I'll agree with that. However, if we had their squad and resources, top 4 would be just fine. But I believe our squad is better and more talented that theirs. Just needs to be managed correctly as theirs has been.
Absolutely it's all subjective. I personally think we're getting very little out of our team as compared to the quality at our disposal. But give me an in favour /LVG Martial over any wide player they have. Many more examples of them bringing the best out for their players and us doing the opposite.
While you could argue that he should have won 1 trophy with this Spurs team, I still have no doubts over his quality. I think he's a top coach and will likely win trophies at an even bigger club than Spurs. He didn't receive any reinforcements for the squad last summer, I mean he would have surely gotten that at United.
It's like when people said Suarez didn't show up in big games for Liverpool so he's not a big game player. Then he goes to Barca and does exactly that.
It's like when people said Suarez didn't show up in big games for Liverpool so he's not a big game player. Then he goes to Barca and does exactly that.
“It is like you are with your girlfriend or wife and you are holding hands, walking down Oxford Street,” he said. “But because you are so handsome, another woman is looking at you. But your wife is so proud and, rather than worrying, she is so happy to be with you and falls more in love with you.”
Pochettino on Real Madrid links.
What a weird quote
Edit: The top comment on reddit was "If a woman smiles at you on Oxford street, check your pockets"
Pochettino on Real Madrid links.
What a weird quote
Edit: The top comment on reddit was "If a woman smiles at you on Oxford street, check your pockets"
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He is very creative i must say.
One of the criticisms of Poch is his record against the other big clubs. Hammered us and Chelsea so far this season. Lost narrowly to City and Liverpool. Hopefully for his admirers, of which I am one, this is the season he gets this particular monkey off his back.
I am an admirer also, but not sure if beating us at the moment is classed as beating a big team.
I kind of think their depth is ok in attack. Forget Llorente, Son would be up top if Kane was injured.
For the supporting wing/acm spots they have Son, Lamela, Alli, Moura, Eriksen. That is not too bad tbf.
Midfield is the problem. Sissoko has been surprisingly good. Dier is a limited footballer, but plays the destroyer role well. Wanyama injured more often than not. Winks one for the future, Dembele on his last legs.
Midfield needs investment, could probably move on Wanyama, Dembele and look to bring in some quality or a rising star.
For the supporting wing/acm spots they have Son, Lamela, Alli, Moura, Eriksen. That is not too bad tbf.
Midfield is the problem. Sissoko has been surprisingly good. Dier is a limited footballer, but plays the destroyer role well. Wanyama injured more often than not. Winks one for the future, Dembele on his last legs.
Midfield needs investment, could probably move on Wanyama, Dembele and look to bring in some quality or a rising star.
Always have time for him. Top coach.
Imo pound for pound the manager doing the best job in the league.
Agree, with Eddie Howe probably second. I think we all know who is at the bottom.
But he's not won anything!
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I think this has become one of those things which becomes repeated so often that it just becomes an accepted truth.
So really, other than Arsenal, the other teams (and managers) are much of a muchness when it comes to results against the other clubs in this mini league. Obviously gone up to 46 points now with the result against Chelsea so 3 points behind City and Liverpool (out of a possible 96) and even if Man Utd won both the games to get to 32 like everyone else, would be 2 points behind Man Utd and 5 ahead of Chelsea.
I don't think there is any real difference in those results for any of the clubs.
Aye wasn’t he also the first to smash Peps City in the first year when they looked good and the same with Contes Chelsea when they had that good season.
I might be the only one who doesnt see the point in arguing for or against Pochettino.
I have always had the impression he doesnt like us, in general. Dunno why, he just doesn't seem to have any interest/respect for United as a club and therefore I don't see him wanting to come here even if Levy was willing to discuss it. For me, Poch is happy to do what he's doing with a squad he's familiar with and confident in, until a major Spanish job becomes available. I don't see him moving to another PL team.
I have always had the impression he doesnt like us, in general. Dunno why, he just doesn't seem to have any interest/respect for United as a club and therefore I don't see him wanting to come here even if Levy was willing to discuss it. For me, Poch is happy to do what he's doing with a squad he's familiar with and confident in, until a major Spanish job becomes available. I don't see him moving to another PL team.
Spurs would have a serious chance of winning the league in any other season with the start they've made.
Too bad for everyone that Man. City are just on another planet atm.
Demanding he wins league titles with his budget is a little harsh I feel. Let's see what he does in the cups this season.
Too bad for everyone that Man. City are just on another planet atm.
Demanding he wins league titles with his budget is a little harsh I feel. Let's see what he does in the cups this season.
I think the only realistic chance of him leaving Spurs will be if he gets fed up with the financial restrictions being forced on him. From the looks of things he wasn't allowed to make any signings in the summer and I think similar reasons contributed to him leaving Espanyol.
Even if that did happen I don't see much chance of a move to United with Madrid waiting in the wings.
Even if that did happen I don't see much chance of a move to United with Madrid waiting in the wings.
We have 18 year-old Oliver Skipp waiting in the wings
Only made 1 appearance for the senior team so far, but featured a lot in our pre-season tour.
There's also talk about Rabiot from PSG, but that may well his agent angling for an improved contract.
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That’s really interesting and tbf as I was posting I thought, “I haven’t actually checked the stats on this”. But as you say, it’s an oft-repeated line. I guess the people that don’t like him have used it as a stick to beat him often enough that it’s just become the accepted wisdom.I think this has become one of those things which becomes repeated so often that it just becomes an accepted truth.
So really, other than Arsenal, the other teams (and managers) are much of a muchness when it comes to results against the other clubs in this mini league. Obviously gone up to 46 points now with the result against Chelsea so 3 points behind City and Liverpool (out of a possible 96) and even if Man Utd won both the games to get to 32 like everyone else, would be 2 points behind Man Utd and 5 ahead of Chelsea.
I don't think there is any real difference in those results for any of the clubs.
They wouldn't get ahead of Liverpool who are also having a freak season.
Ladies and gentlemen, let's do anything we can to get Pochettino.
Outside of kidnapping, it's not going to happen.
kidnapping it is then!
Why do you think so? If we basically promise him heaven on earth both in terms of emoluments and support during transfers, I reckon his head could be turned.
The only threat I see to this is Real Madrid lurking around but I honestly believe we can get Poch. Not going to be easy no doubt.