3-4-3 Ain’t it

[redIndianDevil]

its not the formation at all. We are suffering the same problem we had under EtH now as well. Our team is not compact, we are spread too far. Our defensive line is still deep and our attack is way too high and midfield has no clue whether to support attackers up front or protect defenders behind. Look at how compact other teams like Arsenal, Liverpool play. Every one of our players around the ball is marked easily and there is no way out whenever we have possession.

We either have to sit deep and press well in our own half and be defensively solid or commit every one higher up the pitch and play suicidal attacking football. What we are trying to do now will never work. We don't have the time or players to implement the system mid season.

 

[Bojan11]

Conte made it work with Victor Moses & Marcos Alonso. That's the blue print to follow.

You don't need "top" wing backs - i doubt there's many even on the market, considering clubs don't play this system. But you need at least one strong attacking ball carrier, and a genuine crossing threat from the other wing. To make that work though, you need CBs comfortable defending the channels (Azpilicueta and David Luiz) because you're always going to be exposed there. And you also need 2 rock solid CMs defensively (Kante and Matic)

Conte also had Hazard and Costa. We would kill for those sort of players.

 

[sugar_kane]

It’s mad how invested some of our fans are in this system which none of us ever asked for, and which the club showed no desire to implement previously (why stick with Ten Hag in the summer if so?)

Even if it is some magical system which will turn us into world beaters what is the logic of implementing it from day one in the busiest period of the season with no time to train the players who also don’t suit it? At least try working towards it step by step.

 

[11101]

You say this as if this 3/5 at the back is some offensive exciting total voetbal.

It doesn't suit the squad, it will lead us into a relegation battle. When Amorim gets his own specialist players, we could try it.

We shouldn't have hired him then.

We hired a manager based on his success playing 3 at the back. Why on earth would we want him to change to something else?

We're not getting relegated. Top 4 is gone, let him spend the season teaching the players his methods and bring in whoever he needs in the summer. The last thing we should do is force a compromise again.

 

[noodlehair]

Absolutely I think this system will only work once we have top wingbacks playing on their natural sides to provide width and help us stretch teams. Look at Dalot tonight, total non entity going forward.

Yes but he keeps picking him and Mazrouri there when not only does he have other options but has tried at least a couple that have worked a LOT better.

Which concerns me as he has either managed to not notice or has noticed and is just ignoring it out of stubbornness.

Nearly all our goals under Amorim have come from the wing backs and since he's decided to stamp that out for whatever reason, we haven't scored any .

 

[Trent]

All top clubs play with two players on each side making width and space for each other. Pep/Arteta does it with the wingers in a 4-3-3 and Klopp did it with Trent and Robertson. I dont understand why Dalot is the only alternative on that left wing back position, because he is obviously gonna do better on the other side on his strong foot. I get the desperate need for a left wingback, but why not try something different and let Dalot (or Amad) play on the right?

Even when Antony gets subbed on, he is playing on the right, on his wrong foot, drifting inside where other players occupy space. Malacia is not the answer, but why not try Amass?

 

[Skills]

Conte also had Hazard and Costa. We would kill for those sort of players.

True, but he did go on and win the title.

We aren't expected to win the title for at least 3 years, so you don't need players of that sort of caliber if your goal is just top 4-5.

Get a comfortable top 4 team first, and then worry about not having an Eden Hazard or Costa to carry you over the line to a title.

 

[Bwuk]

We should change it to a 352 if he wants to keep 3ATB until we can get some signings in.

Our midfield just gets walked over every game as it stands. We need to get extra body in there.

 

[Cloud7]

I think the issue with the setup right now is that we have effectively swapped out an attacker (from the usual 4231) for a CB, however we have not gotten the compensatory boost in attacking that the wingbacks are supposed to provide. Dalot and Maz aren’t attacking any more now than they did when we were playing a back four. In addition to this, despite having an extra CB we still look defensively fragile.

The end result of this is that it feels like we’re getting all the possible negatives of the new system without any of the positives.

 

[Dr. T]

Posting this here instead of creating another tactical post.

But what the hell is this wing back position? There's such a disconnect between this being a back 3 + 2 and a back 5 and you can see the maths happening in players' heads in real time.

The first goal is a perfect example. The 'wing back' Mazraoui defends with the urgency of someone who thinks 'there's three lads in the middle to deal with the cross'. The ball loops off his shin into a pocket of the three central defenders and all three observe it with the nonchalance of a top defender thinking 'we are in a strong back three, we can handle this cross'. One striker saunters in with acres of space.

In its current form, with the current players, it's a system that breeds complacency. Everyone is less urgent and thinking there's someone else to pick up the pieces, and yet one simple ball over the top released Isak in tonnes of space again in the first half. This has been going on at our club for years (think away to that Turkish team?) but I don't see how this formation of wing backs works.

Who, throughout history, would be the wing backs to suit this system? Are we talking Cafu and Roberto Carlos? Or are we talking a combo of a side DF like Lizarazu and a winger like Robben? Are the wing backs supposed to be "true-footed" (left foot on left side etc)? Are they secondary attackers or the first side-line of defence? I guess Amorim has an idea for this but it's not possible with the current players, seemingly.

 

[Bert_]

We shouldn't have hired him then.

We hired a manager based on his success playing 3 at the back. Why on earth would we want him to change to something else?

We're not getting relegated. Top 4 is gone, let him spend the season teaching the players his methods and bring in whoever he needs in the summer. The last thing we should do is force a compromise again.

Completely agree. The remainder of this season needs to be all about implementing Amorim's system. The relegation talk is just people being dramatic. I'd honestly prefer us to finish mid-table, out of Europe. A season without the extra games means more time on the training ground. It will benefit us far more long term.

 

[Dr. T]

Also this club continues to remain behind the times. A decade of systems-puritanism and ideology is now giving way to pragmatism, and we go out and appoint our first true ideology coach.

(Van Gaal was half pragmatic half ideology but full philoshophy).

 

[gaffs]

Needs too many specific skill sets. does Amorim have an alternative? He needs to start winning games and perhaps deviating from his plan.

I'm not saying sack Amorim, I'm saying he needs try something else. Bringing in 10 new players isn't going to happen.

How many of our team would you trust in a 433? Not many.

The formation is largely irrelevant when this lot cant do the basics. How many of our conceded goals were because of formation? Can our forwards not hold up the ball because of formation? Is Onana letting them in because of formation? Or Bruno getting sent off for petulance because of formation? There is no formation that makes Antony look good the guy is one of the top earners at the club.

Let the weak players fall by the wayside. The club have invested in Amorim and his way of playing. They know that the squad isnt good enough regardless of the formation, so you may as well get behind a manager with a proven track record, a great personality and an ethos.

Dont get wobbly just because of a few poor results. Dont be like an Arsenal fan. Most of them would have had Arteta out.

When you have a squad full of shite, as we do, you have to give it time. Ten Hag got to spend 650m and there is not one player that you could say you would confidently build a team around, regardless of formation.

 

[DownRiver]

I think this week be a make or break week for this formation and going to the next level.

Amorim said he had four training sessions since he arrived because of all the 3 games a week cycle.

He will have maybe 2/3 training session this week.

 

[Valencia Shin Crosses]

I think people are getting far too caught up in the formation, when the truth is formations are fluid in modern football and the bigger issue is just how few quality players we really have. We are bottom tier in terms of athleticism and every attacker bar Amad is a technical calamity.

We could play a 433/442/352/4231/3421/5221 and the lack of quality would still be present. People are acting like Amorim took a squad that was cruising as a 433 team and just changed everything for no reason that now “doesn’t suit the players” when the players don’t suit anything in the first place. WE SHOULD HAVE BEEN BOTTOM HALF LAST SEASON. I and many others said it at the time but we were lucky to even be 8th, and that with the cup win made far too many think that we just had unlucky injuries and a bad manager that hampered the season.

It’s so evident now that we lack the basic execution in our actions and we get bullied every game anyways so it’s not possible to make up for it with physicality and speed. Hence, we are 14th

 

[cpresc]

I think this week be a make or break week for this formation and going to the next level.

Amorim said he had four training sessions since he arrived because of all the 3 games a week cycle.

He will have maybe 2/3 training session this week.

He fell out with Rashford pretty fast then.

 

[2 man midfield]

It’s a really poor fit for us right now. And I take his point that he’s only got this system, and he was hired on the strength of it, so why change? But at the same time, when the players are this unsuited to it, are any of them going to be around to see it in its final form anyway?

The formation just leaves so many issues with the current personnel:

We’ve got 3 centre backs and no upside to the extra man. In fact there seems to be even more space in between them somehow. This could be sorted out with time/training though.

We’ve then got wing backs who are too defensive and contribute nothing going forward which means we create bugger all.

That leaves you with 2 in midfield, resulting in some weird pairings like we saw tonight. Casemiro and Eriksen just don’t have the legs to play in a 2. It also leaves us lacking in creativity when we have someone there who does have legs because Ugarte struggles to play through the thirds.

Then you’ve got 2 10s, which doesn’t suit our wingers like Rashford or Garnacho, and would make far more sense if we actually had anyone half decent to play there. Mount can’t stay fit and Bruno, when he isn’t getting sent off, seems to spend all his time giving the ball away.

So what you end up with is a load of square pegs in round holes. Which is exactly what it looks like watching us play.

 

[Salus Populi Suprema Lex]

Amorim knows how he wants to play, but this squad just doesn’t seem capable of it. However, I think he should stick with his beliefs. Buckling to player demands will leave him adrift without a style of play. A manager has to impose his tactics on his team. If the players can’t or won’t do as he says, he must replace with players who will. He mustn’t allow a United squad to get yet another manager sacked. He makes the rules and must impose his will upon his players. If he gives in to them, the players will eat him alive.

 

[Marcus]

Yes he should stick to 343. Please not another EtH who declares that United can't play like Ajax while bringing in Ajax/Dutch league players in. I actually believe the issue is more about how to get the ball to our no. 9. If you have an inverted fullback like Dalot on your left who will cut in, then you need a left-footed forward who will go down the line like Antony. Isn't this quite a natural fix? Rather than putting Antony and Amad down the right? The balls will never be as effectively crossed since they are using their weaker foot. Anyway, we improved in the second half. Maybe if we don't implode, we can scrape a draw against Liverpool.

 

[ClassOf'99]

I think people are getting far too caught up in the formation, when the truth is formations are fluid in modern football and the bigger issue is just how few quality players we really have. We are bottom tier in terms of athleticism and every attacker bar Amad is a technical calamity.

We could play a 433/442/352/4231/3421/5221 and the lack of quality would still be present. People are acting like Amorim took a squad that was cruising as a 433 team and just changed everything for no reason that now “doesn’t suit the players” when the players don’t suit anything in the first place. WE SHOULD HAVE BEEN BOTTOM HALF LAST SEASON. I and many others said it at the time but we were lucky to even be 8th, and that with the cup win made far too many think that we just had unlucky injuries and a bad manager that hampered the season.

It’s so evident now that we lack the basic execution in our actions and we get bullied every game anyways so it’s not possible to make up for it with physicality and speed. Hence, we are 14th

This is it, close the thread, pin the post, end of discussion.

People honestly think systems work for all players or all players only suit a perfect system for them. It's baffling these players were complacent, lazy, unable to create chances or score goals consistently, didn't work for each other, and looked like they never played together long before Amorim and his change to 3421.

Trust in the manager, he was brought in for a reason. We have a structure now, let's let the manager and structure do their jobs.

 

[TheRedHearted]

Formations aren't our problem, we have tried them all now, we are still shite.

Na, a 4-4-2 was never used. Also ruud had 4-3-3 working. Simple football.

 

[Beans]

I think we’ve seen this before under Rangnick, not enough players suit the style so they’re actually worse.

But the problem from the beginning was a bunch of lazy players who won’t run.

Easier to sack the manager, and the quality level slips another notch.

 

[Adnan]

It’s a really poor fit for us right now. And I take his point that he’s only got this system, and he was hired on the strength of it, so why change? But at the same time, when the players are this unsuited to it, are any of them going to be around to see it in its final form anyway?

The formation just leaves so many issues with the current personnel:

We’ve got 3 centre backs and no upside to the extra man. In fact there seems to be even more space in between them somehow. This could be sorted out with time/training though.

We’ve then got wing backs who are too defensive and contribute nothing going forward which means we create bugger all.

That leaves you with 2 in midfield, resulting in some weird pairings like we saw tonight. Casemiro and Eriksen just don’t have the legs to play in a 2. It also leaves us lacking in creativity when we have someone there who does have legs because Ugarte struggles to play through the thirds.

Then you’ve got 2 10s, which doesn’t suit our wingers like Rashford or Garnacho, and would make far more sense if we actually had anyone half decent to play there. Mount can’t stay fit and Bruno, when he isn’t getting sent off, seems to spend all his time giving the ball away.

So what you end up with is a load of square pegs in round holes. Which is exactly what it looks like watching us play.

Good post.

You make some really good points and I mostly agree. But I feel something has to change with how Amorim is setting the team up. Whether he changes the formation or keeps it the same, a change or two has to be made imo because this run of bad results can't carry on.

I do believe the current squad of players is capable of playing much better than what they're currently showing. But I feel the actual wingers/wide forwards have to take up the wingback positions if he (Amorim) wants to persist with this formation with the players at his disposal. You have the security of the extra CB in a back 3, and if that is then backed up by a midfield two of Casemiro and Ugarte, you then have a defensive foundation to allow the wingbacks, the two advanced central attackers and the centre forward to raise the level in the final third. Our backline will then have players to pick out with a pass who are playing between the lines and out wide and are more adept in the final third in comparison to what Amorim is currently persisting with.

I've been saying we lacked pace and power for around 7 years on this forum with the deeper midfield and CB positions in particular being of utmost importance. And if the aim is to carry on with the same formation going into next season we need to add another CB who adds pace and power along with the ability on the ball to pass it forward with a high level of regularity whilst retaining a high pass completion rate. And the same applies to the deeper midfield positions.

If they can just add the correct 3 players to the first 11 then you have the possibility to have more variety in your build up from the back with the midfield and backline both having the ability to progress the ball and control/contain transitions when the game becomes stretched. And when you accomplish that it has the potential to create a very strong platform for the rest of the team to thrive when it comes to making the difference in the final third in possession and pressing from the front in coordination with your team mates.

 

[Exiled_Red]

Why are we talking about switching formation as if that will somehow fix this team? It’s nothing to do with formation and everything to do with the personnel. This team was horrific in a 4-2-3-1 under ETH so that’s clearly not the move. I’d rather our coach stick with what’s made him successful and when able, buy players that fit that system and sell the ones that don’t. Emphasis on sell. This team needs a culling.

 

[TPM]

Way too much talk about the formation, no matter the formation these players are trash. Too many of the goal conceded are on individual mistakes, has nothing to do with formation. Yesterday Newcastle scored 2 goals with a simple cross and only ONE guy going to head the ball with 3 fecking players in front of goal. Ridiculous. It’s gotten so bad, teams are now trying to score from a corner kick just to see the goalie doesn’t complete bottle it. It’s like a NBA team trying half court trick shots during a professional game. No formation is gonna save these type of silly mistakes.

 

[AkaAkuma]

W

Good post.

You make some really good points and I mostly agree. But I feel something has to change with how Amorim is setting the team up. Whether he changes the formation or keeps it the same, a change or two has to be made imo because this run of bad results can't carry on.

I do believe the current squad of players is capable of playing much better than what they're currently showing. But I feel the actual wingers/wide forwards have to take up the wingback positions if he (Amorim) wants to persist with this formation with the players at his disposal. You have the security of the extra CB in a back 3, and if that is then backed up by a midfield two of Casemiro and Ugarte, you then have a defensive foundation to allow the wingbacks, the two advanced central attackers and the centre forward to raise the level in the final third. Our backline will then have players to pick out with a pass who are playing between the lines and out wide and are more adept in the final third in comparison to what Amorim is currently persisting with.

I've been saying we lacked pace and power for around 7 years on this forum with the deeper midfield and CB positions in particular being of utmost importance. And if the aim is to carry on with the same formation going into next season we need to add another CB who adds pace and power along with the ability on the ball to pass it forward with a high level of regularity whilst retaining a high pass completion rate. And the same applies to the deeper midfield positions.

If they can just add the correct 3 players to the first 11 then you have the possibility to have more variety in your build up from the back with the midfield and backline both having the ability to progress the ball and control/contain transitions when the game becomes stretched. And when you accomplish that it has the potential to create a very strong platform for the rest of the team to thrive when it comes to making the difference in the final third in possession and pressing from the front in coordination with your team mates.

Which 3(+1) players transforms this team enough to get us to the summer?

 

[Adnan]

W

Which 3(+1) players transforms this team enough to get us to the summer?

i meant 3 players with the requisite qualities stated in my previous post who need to be brought to the club. I think right now it's about playing to the strengths of the team that's available and if Amorim wants to persist with the current formation then it would probably be more beneficial to go with actual wingers and wide forwards in the wingback positions.

A more expansive system isn't dependant on a formation but rather the system is dependent on the players at ones disposal. So we want to build from the back and through midfield, push the last line high, press high as a collective unit and control or contain the transitions when the spaces open up for the opposition. That's a system of play and it isn't formation dependent hence I feel a change of personnel in the wider positions would actually benefit us as a team when in possession.

 

[padzilla]

I don't think the formation is the main problem, even though it's not helping just yet as we conceded the same goal as we have done since the beginning of the season. A header from a cross into the box which should be bread and butter for central defenders but we seem particularly vulnerable to crosses.
City scored that goal in the community shield, Brighton scored it against us as did Liverpool and now Newcastle twice and that's just at the top of my head.
I would say that if we're only playing two in the middle there needs to be an intense energy there which we're not getting right now.

 

[WhatIsLove]

I don't think the formation is the main problem, even though it's not helping just yet as we conceded the same goal as we have done since the beginning of the season. A header from a cross into the box which should be bread and butter for central defenders but we seem particularly vulnerable to crosses.
City scored that goal in the community shield, Brighton scored it against us as did Liverpool and now Newcastle twice and that's just at the top of my head.
I would say that if we're only playing two in the middle there needs to be an intense energy there which we're not getting right now.

Yes, even if we had 4 CBs, Martinez and Maguire still ain't getting that cross cleared. We used to say Lindelof is weak and scared but he isnt the only one.

 

[Xeque_279]

Posting this here instead of creating another tactical post.

But what the hell is this wing back position? There's such a disconnect between this being a back 3 + 2 and a back 5 and you can see the maths happening in players' heads in real time.

The first goal is a perfect example. The 'wing back' Mazraoui defends with the urgency of someone who thinks 'there's three lads in the middle to deal with the cross'. The ball loops off his shin into a pocket of the three central defenders and all three observe it with the nonchalance of a top defender thinking 'we are in a strong back three, we can handle this cross'. One striker saunters in with acres of space.

In its current form, with the current players, it's a system that breeds complacency. Everyone is less urgent and thinking there's someone else to pick up the pieces, and yet one simple ball over the top released Isak in tonnes of space again in the first half. This has been going on at our club for years (think away to that Turkish team?) but I don't see how this formation of wing backs works.

Who, throughout history, would be the wing backs to suit this system? Are we talking Cafu and Roberto Carlos? Or are we talking a combo of a side DF like Lizarazu and a winger like Robben? Are the wing backs supposed to be "true-footed" (left foot on left side etc)? Are they secondary attackers or the first side-line of defence? I guess Amorim has an idea for this but it's not possible with the current players, seemingly.

It's honestly not that complicated. The goals are just defenders switching off, could be the reason you mentioned, and could be a lot of other things too. It's just a feature in this team, nothing to do with the formation, was the same under ETH.
As for your question, any world class fullback from history would fit in that role. Cafu, Carlos, Marcelo, Alves etc. You don't need some uber specific characteristics to play there, just what attacking full backs excel in.

 

[Jev]

Posting this here instead of creating another tactical post.

But what the hell is this wing back position? There's such a disconnect between this being a back 3 + 2 and a back 5 and you can see the maths happening in players' heads in real time.

The first goal is a perfect example. The 'wing back' Mazraoui defends with the urgency of someone who thinks 'there's three lads in the middle to deal with the cross'. The ball loops off his shin into a pocket of the three central defenders and all three observe it with the nonchalance of a top defender thinking 'we are in a strong back three, we can handle this cross'. One striker saunters in with acres of space.

In its current form, with the current players, it's a system that breeds complacency. Everyone is less urgent and thinking there's someone else to pick up the pieces, and yet one simple ball over the top released Isak in tonnes of space again in the first half. This has been going on at our club for years (think away to that Turkish team?) but I don't see how this formation of wing backs works.

Who, throughout history, would be the wing backs to suit this system? Are we talking Cafu and Roberto Carlos? Or are we talking a combo of a side DF like Lizarazu and a winger like Robben? Are the wing backs supposed to be "true-footed" (left foot on left side etc)? Are they secondary attackers or the first side-line of defence? I guess Amorim has an idea for this but it's not possible with the current players, seemingly.

This is one of the reasons why I detest the formation. When you overcrowd an area with defenders, it becomes an excuse for low-confidence players like ours to avoid responsibility. “Someone else will probably take care of that.” You see it all the time, the hesitancy in our defenders.

 

[Xeque_279]

Really don't get this notion that you need "specialized" players in each position for what Amorim is trying to do. The 10s can absolutely be wingers. Look at the players he used there at Sporting - Catamo, Quenda, Harder, Trincao. Wingers and Strikers.

The only proper 10 used there was Pote, who has played as a wide midfielder in his career. Guys like Garnacho, Rashford and even Zikrzee can absolutely play there, it's not the skillset, it's the application.

 

[astracrazy]

Yeah lets go back to 4231 because that formation worked really well for us....players were would class in that system.....must be all about the system

 

[Shunty]

Stick to this formation, need faster more athletic players bringing in two number tens another midfielder and a left footed wing back we’d be so much better with that

 

[UnitedSofa]

He fell out with Rashford pretty fast then.

Four sessions where he can teach the system, other times he has been training for the next game, there has obviously been more than 4 training sessions overall

 

[quadrant]

I can't imagine how anybody could look at United over the last 18 months and conclude that Amorim's formation is the problem.

 

[padzilla]

Yes, even if we had 4 CBs, Martinez and Maguire still ain't getting that cross cleared. We used to say Lindelof is weak and scared but he isnt the only one.

If I didn't know better I would say we're getting exposed down the flanks due to a lack of full backs who are good enough to cope with the pressure.

 

[Ole'sgunnarwin]

Can people stop saying it's 3 at the back? It's 5 at the back. The wing-backs are defenders. If you watch Carragher's analysis, you can see how little they try to make attacking runs

 

[TheRedDevil'sAdvocate]

Conte also had Hazard and Costa. We would kill for those sort of players.

He had one of the best players in the world when it comes to generating threat off the dribble (Hazard), a forward who, that season, scored with every touch in the box (Costs), the best transition midfielder in the world (Kante), one of the best holding midfielders in the PL still in his prime (Matic), two true leaders at the back (Azpi and Cahill) etc. Too many get out of jails cards for a team that outperformed every underlying metric that season. But that's Conte, he would have thrown everyone under the bus by now, had he taken the United job. Which, in all honesty, wouldn't have knowing that there's probably no money for him to compete at the top.

Yeah lets go back to 4231 because that formation worked really well for us....players were would class in that system.....must be all about the system

You are right, it's a complain lacking nuance made by fans who want to vent and search for easy solutions.

It doesn't mean that patience and time on the training ground ALONE will fix the issue (as the other half is suggesting on here). It's still early days, and only those who had followed him at SCP can make more definite judgements, but he seems to have two big issues atm.

First, it's not the system but the idea behind it that demands a lot of territorial dominance. From the early stages of the build-up to the attacking patterns in the final third, he seems to want his players in fixed positions. It's a rigid approach (not formation) that depends on each player doing his job both on and off the ball. I don't see overloads, attempts to create numerical advantages, players interchanging positions. There's emphasis on finding a player, through rotation, who can make the assigned space his own. Not just physicality, we are talking about the ability to take good care of the ball under pressure. We haven't been built to do that. That's why all the previous managers resorted to sitting back and playing route one football. Bournemouth and Newcastle destroyed us by going man to man in their press. Screw the formation and the tactics, imagine if we had a few players able to beat their man and make the right decision right after that. This is an issue that can be fixed in the market. If that isn't the case, Jim hired the wrong guy

Secondly, his immediate reaction seems to be a lineup with as many defensive-minded players as he can field. It's a no-go on the island, someone should tell him that. Most clubs will smell blood and fancy their chances. And the money in the PL have made sure that every side has at least some quality to hurt you. And with the intensity of the league and the hectic schedule, momentum matters a great deal. You can get on a downward spiral fast. You have to try and produce something on the ball.

 

[Rajma]

I can't imagine how anybody could look at United over the last 18 months and conclude that Amorim's formation is the problem.

At the moment it’s a bit of both to be honest, sure players are totally useless that I concluded on most long before anyone on this platform, and was calling for ETH head very early on but Amorim is only exaggerating how bad of the team we have by using this formation which is completely ill suited currently.