2024 U.S. Elections | Trump wins

Raoul said:
15 million less people turned up to vote for Harris than they did Biden in 2020. So in a nutshell, Trump didn't outperform (in fact he underperformed his 2020 popular votes by 3m). People simply weren't motivated for Harris.
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I am seeing contradicting information. So, this election didn't infact have a record turnout then?

So, I kept hearing that 'turnout' was at unprecedented levels? Does this mean that this was only true for swing states?
 
africanspur said:
None of those Arab states would accept that. It would be a literal existential threat and would likely cause civil war and the collapse of their regimes.

It would lead to a pool of millions of angry Palestinians, who may be incentivised to launch attacks against Israel from their ‘new home’, dragging countries like Jordan and Egypt into Lebanon style situations, with militaries that will still be designed by Israel and the USA to always retain an inferiority to Israel’s.
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Normally i would agree, but when you're dealing with Trump, I wouldn't put it past any of them, especially since they will want to stay on Trump's good side and maybe in the process strike a deal that helps their own countries.
 
At the end of the day this was the perfect storm for dems

You support Israel you lose muslims
You support Palestine you lose jews
Cost of living crisis
Layoffs
War in Ukraine
Biden holding on for too long
Kamala being wishy washy and not enough charisma

Just too many things stacked against dems, doesn’t really matter who was the Republican they would have pulled through.
 
Kaush949 said:
I am seeing contradicting information. So, this election didn't infact have a record turnout then?

So, I kept hearing that 'turnout' was at unprecedented levels? Does this mean that this was only true for swing states?
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Is this based on hard data? Or people seeing long lines at polling stations?
 
Raoul said:
To be clear, I'm talking about adding to what has already happened, not saying would you prefer annexation to what happened since last October.
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Whatever happens next (Gaza was doomed anyway… the rest of us all around the world will suffer from Trump presidency) will be her fault. The votes were out there and she chose to dismiss them and to campaign with Cheney, betting on the delusional dream that Republicans might vote Democrat against their own party…

 
Kaush949 said:
I am seeing contradicting information. So, this election didn't infact have a record turnout then?

So, I kept hearing that 'turnout' was at unprecedented levels? Does this mean that this was only true for swing states?
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That was a mirage. This election won't have as many people turnout as the last, and Harris has barely outperformed Hillary Clinton's numbers, despite the country adding about 20m more people since 2016.
 
Raoul said:
Normally i would agree, but when you're dealing with Trump, I wouldn't put it past any of them, especially since they will want to stay on Trump's good side and maybe in the process strike a deal that helps their own countries.
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It wouldn’t help their country though, that’s the point. Or them personally. Sisi and Abdullah wouldn’t survive it.

Whatever Trump does, he isn’t going to kill them. Their populations might though.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Let me introduce you to a website called redcafe.net…
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A handful of people who quite clearly judging by the state of this thread after the results, have been in an echo chamber of their own...
Red in STL said:
They don't have to veto it, all they have to do is not get involved, something that Trump has brought up in the past when he questioned whether he would send US troops to die in {can't remember which NATO country it was}
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NATO has its own governance and leadership. Heads of state do not direct troop movement etc.
Irwin99 said:
Which is why the guy in the Tweet was correct. If you're not engaging with people through these channels then you're not going to win votes. The right has been winning the battle in the social media age with ease.
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Its not that difficult to win the battle when you're appearing to morons and social media zombies with disingenuous messages that are designed to trigger them. What do you think all the data collection is for. Check cookies on a site before accepting them just out of curiosity. A simple site or game or anything has hundreds and even thousands of vendors listed collecting data.
 
It’s not like America chose Trump over Harris. It’s simply that America voted for grocery prices and border security to be more important than inclusivity and open borders policy.
 
Raoul said:
15 million less people turned up to vote for Harris than they did Biden in 2020. So in a nutshell, Trump didn't outperform (in fact he underperformed his 2020 popular votes by 3m). People simply weren't motivated for Harris.
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Its an interesting thing because the exact same thing happened with Hillary relative to obamas vote count and back then as with today the Republican vote count was pretty much the same.
 
Stack said:
Well thats the actual data. Same thing happened with Hillary, 10 million who previously voted for Obama didnt show up for Hillary whereas the Republican vote stayed the same.
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counting isn't over yet, that's why this data isn't complete (but yes it does look like a turnout collapse)
 
Kaush949 said:
I am seeing contradicting information. So, this election didn't infact have a record turnout then?

So, I kept hearing that 'turnout' was at unprecedented levels? Does this mean that this was only true for swing states?
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Was the record turnout for all voters or for certain places? thats what you have to check.
The vote count numbers for the overall vote are easily available
 
Suv666 said:
At the end of the day this was the perfect storm for dems

You support Israel you lose muslims
You support Palestine you lose jews
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The way to get around this electoral problem was to get it sorted out in late 2023-early 2024 and try to stem the bleeding that way. The Biden administration chose not to. If you look at the way things have developed since (expanding conflict with Hezbollah, Iran, etc.) it's easy to guess that people within the Biden administration saw this as an opportunity for a grander foreign policy vision. It's a perfect storm of their own doing.
 
berbatrick said:
counting isn't over yet, that's why this data isn't complete (but yes it does look like a turnout collapse)
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Counting isnt over thats true but when you look at the percentages of votes not yet counted its pretty tiny. The drop in Dem voters is significant and the Rep vote has stayed pretty close to stagnant, if not a small drop. Thats real.
 
africanspur said:
Is this based on hard data? Or people seeing long lines at polling stations?
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When all votes are counted, Harris would have received ~10 million fewer votes than Biden while Trump will be more or less at his 73-74 million from 4 years ago. While California, Nevada and Arizona are not done, many states are very close to be done. She's currently at roughly 67 million. Say she gets 4 million, and still fall clearly fall short of Biden's numbers.

Republicans always win when the turnout is low.

The margins in the swing states are not big. That's the only good new of this round. These margins are manageable.

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Oh, c'mon now.
 
Raoul said:
15 million less people turned up to vote for Harris than they did Biden in 2020. So in a nutshell, Trump didn't outperform (in fact he underperformed his 2020 popular votes by 3m). People simply weren't motivated for Harris.
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That’s it. Even if some of the votes swung, you can’t get past -11-12 less votes. There were at least 8m voters who voted for Biden, did not shift to Trump but simply did not turn up to vote. It’s a disaster.
 
Alemar said:
It’s not like America chose Trump over Harris. It’s simply that America voted for grocery prices and border security to be more important than inclusivity and open borders policy.
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They are in for a surprise when it comes to prices.
 
Blood Mage said:
It's amazing the confidence Dems go into every election with only to get slapped hard with reality each time.
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To be fair, you don't have to further back than 2022 to find an election where Democrats performed better than expected, and it was largely driven by Roe v. Wade. Not outrageous to think some of that effect would still linger.
 
Suv666 said:
At the end of the day this was the perfect storm for dems

You support Israel you lose muslims
You support Palestine you lose jews
Cost of living crisis
Layoffs
War in Ukraine
Biden holding on for too long
Kamala being wishy washy and not enough charisma

Just too many things stacked against dems, doesn’t really matter who was the Republican they would have pulled through.
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Many of these issues could've been mitigated. The one that couldn't is Biden attempting to run again despite being well past his retirement date, then not getting out until it was too late, thereby leaving it to Harris to muster up a win within 100 days.
 
Alemar said:
But is it really unheard of that at a particular point in time, republican values are more important for people than democrat values?
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I don’t think it’s about values at all. It’s pretty clear that basically the same cohort that voted for Trump in 2020 did so again because they are almost indoctrinated by him at this stage, and a lot of people who did vote for Biden in 2020 haven’t bothered to turn up, probably because they are disillusioned with stuff like the US policy over Gaza, and the cost of living.

The dems, as usual, made a total balls of it.
 
People talking about Trump will watch Palestine burn down in flames. Not sure how up to date with international news you are but there's nothing left to burn......
 
berbatrick said:
counting is going to continue for a while, right? especially california mail ballots take days. but yes, turnout collapse looks likely.
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Yeah there's probably about 5-6 millions votes left to count and even if they break 60-40 for Harris Trump will be on same amount as 2020 while she will have lost over 10 million.

She's doing marginally better than Hillary and she won the popular vote!
 
Mike Smalling said:
To be fair, you don't have to further back than 2022 to find an election where Democrats performed better than expected, and it was largely driven by Roe v. Wade. Not outrageous to think some of that effect would still linger.
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On the basis of the last four presidential elections you could come to believe that Democrats had a permanent "popular vote majority." It's a bit shocking that they've lost votes literally everywhere.
 
Massive Spanner said:
BBC:

In the midwestern state of Missouri, voters passed a number of ballot initiatives on Tuesday.

They voted to enshrine a woman's right to abortion in the state's constitution, overruling the state's near total abortion ban which went into place following the Supreme Court's overturning of Roe v Wade.

Voters also backed a measure that would require the state to adopt a $15 minimum wage and paid sick leave requirements.

These policies are largely associated and supported by Democratic candidates and platforms, but Missouri is largely a Republican state that overwhelming backed Donald Trump in the past three elections.

Missouri is just one example of a trend we're seeing across the US in this and other recent elections - voters are backing policies in Republican states that aren't supported by the politicians they're putting in office.

The US is fecking weird, man.
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As someone who lives in MO you're not wrong, how they can support these measures and still elect Trump and the weasel naned Hawley is just unexplainable
 
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