2024 U.S. Elections | Trump wins

I interpret that as shorthand for general “woke fatigue” sentiment. Which is definitely real. It’s everywhere. Working class people think that left wing politicians are wasting too much time and energy fussing about stuff that is not important to the average person. That’s a huge factor in this shift to the right, globally.
Yep I think that's right, most folks don't really care, and in a little twist, Delaware, which only elects 1 House seat, voted for a transgender woman with almost 60% of the vote
 
The right wing have been very successful in convincing people that the left wing is only about transgender issues.

Definitely. It’s an easy position for them. Look at these twats fussing about pronouns while the economy tanks. These two things don’t need to be connected to be an effective message. And social media is absolutely crammed with that sort of shit.
 
Then European tax rates need to increase substantially to pay for larger militaries, as well as much more defence cooperation.
And spending in other areas will have to be cut. Post the Cold War, UK defence spending was 5% ish of GDP, so in order to fund the UK military to those levels, we'd have to find another £40-50 billion or so per yet. That's a shocker, but we have serious choices make.
 
I interpret that as shorthand for general “woke fatigue” sentiment. Which is definitely real. It’s everywhere. Working class people think that left wing politicians are wasting too much time and energy fussing about stuff that is not important to the average person. That’s a huge factor in this shift to the right, globally.
I think that's the wrong way to look at it though. It's not the 'left' being obsessed with these things, it's that the 'right' are marketing that notion. Those working class people think that because they are being hammered with media telling them such, not because it's actually a daily experience.
 
So many dumb cnuts in the world. Just fecking sad

Just a joke.

Someone ask playboy hugh Hefner

"How do you get so many whores in your mansion"

By not calling them whores.

Or something like that.

The dems never really get the reason they lost. Their strategy never changes evem after Trump the first humbled them. Yes they're deplorables but calling them names would galvanises them. Maybe start speaking their language and try to see their point of view. Maga aside some good % of republican (not Trump) actually have some logical reason for voting Trump.

They kept repeating the same lines that aint selling, while Trump actually knows that he doesnt have to please anyone, he just have to please 270 EC.
 
Just a joke.

Someone ask playboy hugh Hefner

"How do you get so many whores in your mansion"

By not calling them whores.

Or something like that.

The dems never really get the reason they lost. Their strategy never changes evem after Trump the first humbled them. Yes they're deplorables but calling them names would galvanises them. Maybe start speaking their language and try to see their point of view. Maga aside some good % of republican (not Trump) actually have some logical reason for voting Trump.

They kept repeating the same lines that aint selling, while Trump actually knows that he doesnt have to please anyone, he just have to please 270 EC.

Trump has also called them names and they vote for him.

There are no lessons to be learned from watching Trump's behavior. The bar is just completely different for him - it's practically under the ground. Not even the other scummy republicans get this amount of leeway.
 
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“For every blue-collar Democrat we lose in western Pennsylvania, we will pick up two moderate Republicans in the suburbs in Philadelphia, and you can repeat that in Ohio and Illinois and Wisconsin.” - Chuck Schumer
 
Reducing trans people to men wearing high heels
What are these woke policies you mention other than the most important one to you which is that you have to be respectful to trans people?

This isn't an issue I care much about. I only mentioned trans in a half sentence, what makes you think that's important to me? I made an entire post about crime, safety and unlimited migration, that's much more relevant to me or more specifically my wife than men wearing high heels.

I don't have to be respectful to anyone. I have decent manners therefore I am automatically respectful with every person I meet. But that's my own choice. There cannot be a law to dictate to me how I adress someone in a free country. Or let me rephrase it: If there are lawmakers promoting such ideas, they are not getting my vote and people shouldn't be surprised when people like Trump win twice.

The woke policies, especially in Germany, are way too endless to list:

Wide open borders for everyone. "No borders, no nations". Leading to not only high crime rates but also high rents because millions of refugees have to be accommodated somewhere, unsurprisingly.

200 professorships for gender studies, 3 for nuclear physics in Germany, because apparently nuclear power is meh while vagina and penis studies is the shit, leading to highest cost for electricity per kWh in the whole world.

Education system also goes to shit and partly also down to letting everyone in. You have many children of refugees in elementary school classes who don't even speak the language yet. So what do the wokes do? Put them in separate classes? No, of course not. That would be racist. Just lower the tempo and standards until everyone is equally bad. No more orientation towards the best performers but towards the underperformers so everyone can be equally bad. The left has destroyed the educational system for a long time now. Because everyone had to go to University, even those who never belonged there. Now everyone has a degree with top grades but the degree is actually worthless. Because everyone has it. Duh.

Promoting electric cars by force even though no one wants them (1/3 of current electric car drivers want to go back to combustion engines in Germany) except a few rich house owners as a second car for the wife to do the groceries, ruining the main industry of Germany. While you don't even have the electricity to power millions of electric cars because coal is meh, oil is meh, Russia is meh, fracked LNG from the US is meh but at the same time the sun doesn't fecking shine over Germany for 7 or 8 months of the year.

The entire German industry is in trouble now, from Volkswagen to ZF to Schaeffler, laying off thousands of employees or moving to the USA where energy is cheap and no one really gives a shit about Lieferkettensorgfaltpflichtengesetz (German Supply Chain Due Diligence Act). China build their own cheap cars now. Electric cars have no complexity, the Chinese can build moving iPads with multi screens and AI music infotainment system better than anyone else once there is nothing under the bonnet and so does the US with Tesla. No one needs a German premium brand with nothing under the bonnet for 80k once you promote the idea of electric cars as a German.

Endless moral policies to the detriment of the own people, like unwavering support for a regional conflict in east Ukraine. Sactioning ourselves from cheap energy supply to morally support one of the most corrupt ex soviet countries in the world. Foreign minister lecturing China and calling Xi a dictator. Cutting yourself off not only from your number 1 energy supplier but also biggest export market is such a grand idea that will benefit us I'm sure.

It's actually really simple. Don't let everyone in. Don't try to save the world to the heavy detriment of your own economy. Don't spread nonsencial ideas against common sense. Not too much to ask, but apparently it is.

You can now reply: "Ha ha, what an idiot, I'm so enlightened and you are so backwards with all those points", but it won't change the fact that central Europe is only lagging a few years behind the US. The real trouble starts once Germans start to be fed up, do poorly economically and elect a right wing politician to save them. And that's gonna happen if the woke continue to destroy as they have. The current government of SPD + Greens + FDP have already reached a record low of together under 30 %. The chancelor party sits at 15 %. :lol:
 
So I was discussing the result with my brother and he mentioned Roe vs Wade. After reading up more, what I understood was that::
- It stood for nearly 50 years granting constitutional right to abortion:
- ⁠In 2022, Trump’s SC judge picks overturned it as the Republican Party has always been “pro life” not “pro choice”
- ⁠Thereafter States have been left to decide on their own position on abortion with many (Alamaba) having an outright ban now on it with no exceptions, not even for rape or incest.

Is the above correct ?
 
I don't watch US TV really, so when I tuned in to a couple of games of the MLB World Series I was quite surprised that the ads that the republicans had chosen to run during the game (several times) were about the democrats wanting to give prisoners free sex change operations. So the issue must have some traction among people.

It does. Not everyone in America is pro LGBTQetc. They're sick of it. The caf being very liberal doesnt diminishes their existence and they'll simply vote the other side.
 
They see it as censorship and thought policing, instead of, you know, just treating people with dignity.

There's an argument regarding the fairness of trans athletes in women sports, one that I'm not entirely amenable to, but acknowledge the validity. But the whole pronouns thing is just so fecking stupid, how does it materially affect you in anyway to call somebody what they want to be called?
I think it’s most commonly encountered these days in the workplace or professional setting where certain HR mandated training has become much more commonplace around the trans issue, together with the use of pronouns. This has come about with good intentions perhaps but speech mandates of any kind have consequences for freedom of thought, and the trans issue is probably the most clear and obvious current example of that. It creates a kind of cognitive dissonance in people which many or most individuals simply can’t brush off.
 
I think that's the wrong way to look at it though. It's not the 'left' being obsessed with these things, it's that the 'right' are marketing that notion. Those working class people think that because they are being hammered with media telling them such, not because it's actually a daily experience.

Yeah, true. Although they do experience it a a lot as well, in their day to day. Sitting through D&I training at work, seeing pronouns on email signature. It’s all over the internet too.

Check these out. One is an image of a form a friend had to fill out to go to a doctor (he’s in the US) the other is something I saw when I was trying to cancel a service on my Sky subscription.



You can see why this would wind people up who are convinced that far too much time and energy is wasted on identity politics, at the expense of more pressing issues.
 
So I was discussing the result with my brother and he mentioned Roe vs Wade. After reading up more, what I understood was that::
- It stood for nearly 50 years granting constitutional right to abortion:
- ⁠In 2022, Trump’s SC judge picks overturned it as the Republican Party has always been “pro life” not “pro choice”
- ⁠Thereafter States have been left to decide on their own position on abortion with many (Alamaba) having an outright ban now on it with no exceptions, not even for rape or incest.

Is the above correct ?
Pretty much.

The real worry however is women being prosecuted for seeking abortions in another state if their home state happens to be one of the backwaters that has outlawed abortion.
 
Many hypotheses to explain the results but neither wokeness or immigration or other things seemed to be really top priority in exitpolls aside from the economy. I guess we'll have to see more data & in-depth voter motivations.

Post-pandemic incumbent political parties have struggled worldwide. Fair to say the US isn't really different from that observation?

It's not because they dont ask this things.

Polls are one way interaction of yes or no, a or b. If they actually give each respondent the time and place to blabber the result would be very much different.

Not to mention the wording is often not clear and doesnt painy a good question
 
Endless moral policies to the detriment of the own people, like unwavering support for a regional conflict in east Ukraine. Sactioning ourselves from cheap energy supply to morally support one of the most corrupt ex soviet countries in the world.
Of course you had to go there.
 
Just gonna disconnect from international politics for a while, focus on my family and make sure my military kit is in order.
 
Love how everyone in this thread is now a fecking Nostradamus, well after the fact. The truth is that no one saw that type of blowout coming.
 
But let's be a bit blunt here. If Harris had lost a primary, would the argument not be that a black/Indian woman was denied a chance to run for presidency?

That's the problem..you dont win election playing minority quota

You choose the best man or woman for the job. Obama won the primary and the presidency not because he's black but because he's so good they accepted him
 
Yeah, true. Although they do experience it a a lot as well, in their day to day. Sitting through D&I training at work, seeing pronouns on email signature. It’s all over the internet too.

Check these out. One is an image of a form a friend had to fill out to go to a doctor (he’s in the US) the other is something I saw when I was trying to cancel a service on my Sky subscription.then



You can see why this would wind people up who are convinced that far too much time and energy is wasted on identity politics, at the expense of more pressing issues.


How does it affect you or anyone how someone actually identifies though? If they feel comfortable within themselves then why not let them. They're not hurting anyone so it's difficult to understand the rage.
 
It's not because they dont ask this things.

Polls are one way interaction of yes or no, a or b. If they actually give each respondent the time and place to blabber the result would be very much different.

Not to mention the wording is often not clear and doesnt painy a good question

Yeah, conducting exit polls and thinking they understand is making the same mistake that lost them the election. If they aren't doing focus groups and really talking to a people, they will never really understand why they lost. exit polls are far too shallow
 
Yeah, true. Although they do experience it a a lot as well, in their day to day. Sitting through D&I training at work, seeing pronouns on email signature. It’s all over the internet too.

Check these out. One is an image of a form a friend had to fill out to go to a doctor (he’s in the US) the other is something I saw when I was trying to cancel a service on my Sky subscription.



You can see why this would wind people up who are convinced that far too much time and energy is wasted on identity politics, at the expense of more pressing issues.

People voting based on stuff like private company DEI initiatives are beyond saving. The Republicans spend way more time going on about this stuff than anyone does implementing it also.
 
Yeah, true. Although they do experience it a a lot as well, in their day to day. Sitting through D&I training at work, seeing pronouns on email signature. It’s all over the internet too.

Check these out. One is an image of a form a friend had to fill out to go to a doctor (he’s in the US) the other is something I saw when I was trying to cancel a service on my Sky subscription.



You can see why this would wind people up who are convinced that far too much time and energy is wasted on identity politics, at the expense of more pressing issues.

I think that Doctor has a kink and/or might be a furry
 
Yeah, true. Although they do experience it a a lot as well, in their day to day. Sitting through D&I training at work, seeing pronouns on email signature. It’s all over the internet too.

Check these out. One is an image of a form a friend had to fill out to go to a doctor (he’s in the US) the other is something I saw when I was trying to cancel a service on my Sky subscription.


You can see why this would wind people up who are convinced that far too much time and energy is wasted on identity politics, at the expense of more pressing issues.
I see pronouns on email signatures all the time. Takes a grand total of zero additional seconds out of my day. Can't be just because I'm a fast reader.

As for the sky subscription, you're worried that a chatbot (hope you know that that's all it is) is just doing what a bot does?

It's so easy to ignore if you wanted. It's no different from a paragraph saying "thank you for messaging me, would you like to sign up for a free jetski, select yes or no while I locate the correct customer service rep for you". At the same time, it's easy to get offended if you're looking to be offended all the time.

As to the doctor's form, again, there's an option "no label" or "not sure". Costs you more time and energy to fret about it, screenshot it and complain to your friends or upload it online, than to click either of these options and move on with your life.
 
I interpret that as shorthand for general “woke fatigue” sentiment. Which is definitely real. It’s everywhere. Working class people think that left wing politicians are wasting too much time and energy fussing about stuff that is not important to the average person. That’s a huge factor in this shift to the right, globally.

This is true…
Democrats do use identity politics as a shield.
Little difference between them and Republicans when it comes to foreign and economic policies

They are still leaps and bounds better than the opposition though
 
Trump has also called them names and they vote for him.

There are no lessons to be learned from watching Trump's behavior. The bar is just completely different for him - it's practically under the ground. Not even the other scummy republicans get this amount of leeway.

Then they're bound to lose the next election playing the we're better than you card. We're for everyone, let's heal and sign kumbayah

Trump might be long gone but his base are there to stay. This is realpolitik. You dont win playing mr nice

Hell they dont actually have to believe and do bad things, just stop saying stupid things
Do you think that Trump/Republicans/Conservatives adhere to that, unlike Democrats?

Nope. But you dont need much. There are multipliers. A pissed off voters would be more likely to influence, debate, argue with others to join him.

1 angry deplorables would meant his preaching to his buddies and so on

When the margin are slim every bit counts.
 
This is genuinely the worst timeline

Democrats are fecking losers couldn’t beat a senile failed businessman.
 
This isn't an issue I care much about. I only mentioned trans in a half sentence, what makes you think that's important to me? I made an entire post about crime, safety and unlimited migration, that's much more relevant to me or more specifically my wife than men wearing high heels.

I don't have to be respectful to anyone. I have decent manners therefore I am automatically respectful with every person I meet. But that's my own choice. There cannot be a law to dictate to me how I adress someone in a free country. Or let me rephrase it: If there are lawmakers promoting such ideas, they are not getting my vote and people shouldn't be surprised when people like Trump win twice.

The woke policies, especially in Germany, are way too endless to list:

Wide open borders for everyone. "No borders, no nations". Leading to not only high crime rates but also high rents because millions of refugees have to be accommodated somewhere, unsurprisingly.

200 professorships for gender studies, 3 for nuclear physics in Germany, because apparently nuclear power is meh while vagina and penis studies is the shit, leading to highest cost for electricity per kWh in the whole world.

Education system also goes to shit and partly also down to letting everyone in. You have many children of refugees in elementary school classes who don't even speak the language yet. So what do the wokes do? Put them in separate classes? No, of course not. That would be racist. Just lower the tempo and standards until everyone is equally bad. No more orientation towards the best performers but towards the underperformers so everyone can be equally bad. The left has destroyed the educational system for a long time now. Because everyone had to go to University, even those who never belonged there. Now everyone has a degree with top grades but the degree is actually worthless. Because everyone has it. Duh.

Promoting electric cars by force even though no one wants them (1/3 of current electric car drivers want to go back to combustion engines in Germany) except a few rich house owners as a second car for the wife to do the groceries, ruining the main industry of Germany. While you don't even have the electricity to power millions of electric cars because coal is meh, oil is meh, Russia is meh, fracked LNG from the US is meh but at the same time the sun doesn't fecking shine over Germany for 7 or 8 months of the year.

The entire German industry is in trouble now, from Volkswagen to ZF to Schaeffler, laying off thousands of employees or moving to the USA where energy is cheap and no one really gives a shit about Lieferkettensorgfaltpflichtengesetz (German Supply Chain Due Diligence Act). China build their own cheap cars now. Electric cars have no complexity, the Chinese can build moving iPads with multi screens and AI music infotainment system better than anyone else once there is nothing under the bonnet and so does the US with Tesla. No one needs a German premium brand with nothing under the bonnet for 80k once you promote the idea of electric cars as a German.

Endless moral policies to the detriment of the own people, like unwavering support for a regional conflict in east Ukraine. Sactioning ourselves from cheap energy supply to morally support one of the most corrupt ex soviet countries in the world. Foreign minister lecturing China and calling Xi a dictator. Cutting yourself off not only from your number 1 energy supplier but also biggest export market is such a grand idea that will benefit us I'm sure.

It's actually really simple. Don't let everyone in. Don't try to save the world to the heavy detriment of your own economy. Don't spread nonsencial ideas against common sense. Not too much to ask, but apparently it is.

You can now reply: "Ha ha, what an idiot, I'm so enlightened and you are so backwards with all those points", but it won't change the fact that central Europe is only lagging a few years behind the US. The real trouble starts once Germans start to be fed up, do poorly economically and elect a right wing politician to save them. And that's gonna happen if the woke continue to destroy as they have. The current government of SPD + Greens + FDP have already reached a record low of together under 30 %. The chancelor party sits at 15 %. :lol:

It's very easy to think and act this way. Just start up the coal plants again. Let the Russian psycho invade a sovereign country without any resistance, i dont wanna give up my cheap gas. Feck the climate, it's not having any effect on me right now. Feck trying to protect these minority groups or make their lives better.

It's very likely we are moving in this exact direction though unfortunately. It will be all about how to max profit, while giving up on any values to progress or defend humanity (because that is cringe and costly).
 
Pretty much.

The real worry however is women being prosecuted for seeking abortions in another state if their home state happens to be one of the backwaters that has outlawed abortion.
It’s an abysmal decision to outright ban though. Who voted on it, statewise?