Trump will likely be dead within the next 10 years anyway. He needs to ensure his legacy (he appears to be genuinely loved by Americans) is protected.
2024 U.S. Elections | Trump wins
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So many dumb cnuts in the world. Just fecking sad
There's no such thing as a 'unconstitutional amendment'.
There's possibly a loophole with the 12th amendment where he can get elected vice president if SCOTUS rule as such, or getting elected Speaker of the House and both prez and vice prez resign, but those are both long shots and open the way for similar strategy from Dems. It's far more likely that he just spend this term settling scores then run off into the sunset and continue playing kingmaker while his broods get blooded into GOP politics.
And I think someone else brought up the point that the whole trans debate is just a single part of woke politics. People hate it. Even young ones don’t like it at all. I don’t understand why and it saddens me deeply. But if there is one thing that seems to work wherever I look, it’s riling up people against wokeness.
I don't watch US TV really, so when I tuned in to a couple of games of the MLB World Series I was quite surprised that the ads that the republicans had chosen to run during the game (several times) were about the democrats wanting to give prisoners free sex change operations. So the issue must have some traction among people.
Most of them are in the mighty US of A.
Because like most the Americans I speak to voting for Trump they already had 4 years of him and the world or America didn't end. And secondly there's more sane people in Washington than you actually think. Forget the politicians who would normally be gone with the wind, the administration and the state machine is comprised of experts in almost every field. Their job is to advise but they won't take blind orders. No one will, not even soldiers.
What Macron says is only for posturing. Europe doesn't need an army to defend itself from a wet fart like Russia. Their military capabilities have been laid bare for the world to see for nearly 3 years now.
As for invading Estonia, they wouldn't dare send one soldier over to provoke a NATO member. They're like a chihuahua barking at a rottweiler behind a cage.
which the majority of them can not even define, which is why the trans issue, which touches literally like a fraction of a fraction of a percent of citizens, is the main one brought up because it is sensational and "seems woke".
Many hypotheses to explain the results but neither wokeness or immigration or other things seemed to be really top priority in exitpolls aside from the economy. I guess we'll have to see more data & in-depth voter motivations.
Post-pandemic incumbent political parties have struggled worldwide. Fair to say the US isn't really different from that observation?
Post-pandemic incumbent political parties have struggled worldwide. Fair to say the US isn't really different from that observation?
Looks like Slotkin and Baldwin will narrowly win. Bob Casey has lost. I don't understand why the swing state Dems were not publicly sounding the alarm on the disaster that was unfolding in their states.
Ah so we hit the body with ultraviolent light, well that sounds more medically reasoned, let's do that!
I fully well know voters voted in the election on the economy and the cost of living and I don't blame them for making that decision as they need to decide for their own families. It doesn't change the fact that Trump is an absolute cnut and a despicable person.
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There's always the option of just ignoring laws.
I don't know when all these patriotic Americans who voted trump are going to realize that trump does not care about America. He cares about himself and his ego. He would watch America burn if it goes along with his agenda. He's just power crazy and he'll be the reason why America becomes no more. He loves the uneducated dimwits and lucky for him America is full of those.
They see it as censorship and thought policing, instead of, you know, just treating people with dignity.
There's an argument regarding the fairness of trans athletes in women sports, one that I'm not entirely amenable to, but acknowledge the validity. But the whole pronouns thing is just so fecking stupid, how does it materially affect you in anyway to call somebody what they want to be called?
I think France and Germany full force alone at this moment would be enough to counter Russia (nuclear aside)
They hardly beat Ukraine. And if China steps in which they most likely wont, the US will step in
And if Poland goes nuclear will stop Russia, dont France and Germany have nukes as well?
So i think it's not as immediate threat. Plus Putin dont have long to live
well that is a speck good news in an ocean of blood. Baldwin is one of the few politicians I think actually cares about making all their constituents lives better, she's a genuinely good person.
Doesn't Project 2025 talk about replacing those experts with hand-picked party soldiers?
Well then we will find out about the loyalty of the American military, and blue states can also ignore his legitimacy.
I really don't think it's worth the hassle for him. What can he do from the WH that he cannot do from MaL, as long as there is a Republican president in office and the GOP majority SC? He's stupid, but not in that way.
Well, they are. It's a key issue for a miniscule part of the electorate, a good chunk of which do not show up to even vote when they disagree on other issues.
Just objectively speaking there are 4 major issues that the US needs to resolve. Revitalisation of devastated industrial areas and townships. Reducing the income disparity. The need for a functional social security system. Fixing a regulatory mess in most sectors that leaves small businesses strangled, unable to compete with big businesses and doesn't actually help keep people informed and safe - opioid epidemic is a direct result of this.
For some reason MAGA thinks Republicans have the answer to this, which they obviously don't, but to be fair Democrats messaging here has been very bad for decades.
losing the popular by 5 million right now is frankly unbelievable. That's an impressively bad performance.
Biden and his handlers really deserve a truckload of blame for even trying to run and not giving Dems a primary where a stronger candidate could have emerged. But it may not have mattered as they tried to do too much and didn't do anything good.
The best to hope for I suppose is that Trump passes another tax cut for the wealthy, calls it a day and leaves all that Project 2025 social conservative insanity behind. And hope he isn't serious about tariffs.
Biden and his handlers really deserve a truckload of blame for even trying to run and not giving Dems a primary where a stronger candidate could have emerged. But it may not have mattered as they tried to do too much and didn't do anything good.
The best to hope for I suppose is that Trump passes another tax cut for the wealthy, calls it a day and leaves all that Project 2025 social conservative insanity behind. And hope he isn't serious about tariffs.
Yeah, as I said to Sarni, that's probably the easier option.
Trump doesn't care about the presidency.This is like a vanity project for him. Votes are just ratings to the Trump show.
Republicans will continue to hold America back and they will be left behind. The East is advancing technologically at blistering lightspeed.
I suspect that in four years time America will not matter.
That's been going on since the 80s and it happens in one way shape or form with every presidency.
But let's be a bit blunt here. If Harris had lost a primary, would the argument not be that a black/Indian woman was denied a chance to run for presidency?
It’s not even that the dems didn’t do anything, they were actively hostile to anyone who tried to bring this up.
Lest we forget Harris’ “I am speaking” comment when someone brought up Gaza, which was cheered on here
Shouldn't laugh but, fecking hell America what are you doing? Wasn't once bad enough?
I think you guys have to own it at this point y'all are crazy as feck
I think you guys have to own it at this point y'all are crazy as feck
Don't forget the filth spouted by bill Clinton
Also stop blaming anyone other than those who enabled this, guilt tripping demographics as if this wasn't a joint effort, is not on
How? That would be the democratic process if she ran and lost.
The right wing have been very successful in convincing people that the left wing is only about transgender issues.
Relevant?
If Biden never ran and they had a full primary like normal, then definitely not.
If they tried to do a shortened primary after Biden dropped out in July then maybe but after seeing these results the race was already lost by then.
It's not comparable to the July change, because at least she would have gone through the process and people get to vote for her (or not).
Dems were boxed into that choice as soon as Biden decided to run. Just look at the alacrity of Newsom and other prominent Dems to support the switch, they intuitively wanted no part of it.
I doubt they do care about that specific issue but its sows the seed that the Democrats subscribe to 'that sort of thinking'. That's been the hallmark of Trump's campaign. Outlandish claims that don't stand up to scrutiny on their own but do put the wider issue at the centre of peoples' minds.
Harris's misstep was to move away from her own platform and start getting involved in Trump's tit for tat. She was never going to win that game because the sort of people who fall for it are most often Trump supporters.
There is definitely something to this. One of the most common, and perceived effective ads from Trump was the one where Kamala is clipped as talking about giving gender transition operations to prisoners and it ends with "Kamala is for they/them, Trump is for you". A fairly effective ad to be honest.
Combine that with them pounding the border/immigration for a year and the Dems having no counter except "but Trump killed the immigration bill" and it does seem the Democrats are missing the mark on what is effective for the average people, which they probably could have learned if they did more focus groups as Lakoff has suggested and were less addicted to polls polls and more polls. Their communication on the economy has also been particularly ineffective so that's the trifecta that cost them this historic landslide.
Yes. Its why nearly every down ballot Dem running in state races is labeled a "radical lefty" who wants open borders. Even though nearly no Democrat ever is saying anything of the sort. But it clearly penetrates.
With any luck he can run for Vance's seat in 26 in a more favourable environment.Yep, Baldwin is of the best senators for the democrats. Gutted about Sherrod
She was commended for not getting involved in Trump’s tit for tat and rightly so because she absolutely did not get involved in it.
She didn’t have her own platform to move away from. To this day nobody knows what her platform is.
Who will smile while the leopard eats their face!