2024 U.S. Elections | Trump v Harris
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He's going to prison if he loses. Tucker Carlson will take over the MagaTs
It's all the low propensity Trump voters fired up to vote early.
I doubt it.
In 2020 Biden got 68.12% of the vote in Wayne County - 587,074 votes.
After calling Detroit a dump, Trump will get even less this time around.
The Overton window is a single pixel wide, ranging from right to right
I can understand the strategy of reaching across the aisle, but this whole bear-hugging Dick Cheney thing is bizarre.
Yeah but Trump went on podcasts this time so Detroit will vote 90-10 for him.
Pretty much. Reminds of Gore Vidal talking about US politics - “There is no left wing in America only reactionaries and conservatives.”
I think it’s this
I can't make sense of that tweet. It's complete gibberish to me.
If that is a pop at my observations of Harris's strategy of not trying to reach young males, then happy to have that debate.
Democrats saw the insane nationalism and “unity” during the Bush Jr years and want some of it for themselves now in 2024.
Nobody loves Dick Cheney, but the fact is by most polling shes still seen as liberal or too liberal by the majority of the electorate, and it's not exactly a good thing if you want self identified independents but actually centre right/right leaning gen Xers/boomers to vote for you to shave a point or two from Trump. Also, despite the routine arguments in this thread, self identified socialists in the US vote 90% Democratic and also make up only about 7% of the electorate, it's a very small share of the pie. As long as young voters and leftists don't vote as numerously and reliably as other cohorts, they will never get the attention they want.
It's sarcasm if it's not obvious by now.
Yeah, I get that, but the way to convince people you are not too liberal shouldn't be to associate with a war criminal. Surely there are better options out there.
Caused by Trump's terrible handling of the pandemic and distributing helicopter money in a time people were at home production and supply chains were disrupted world wide.
Even average Joe should be able to see and understand that these things caused the inflation. China or other countries which didn't distributed free money during lockdowns don't have the inflation problem.
Exactly. Abraham Lincoln was a republican.
I remember in 2020 lots of political analysts said it's Trump last chance to win an election because his voter base (old white males) are dying and the new generation won't ever vote for him. Demographics aren't on Trump's side.
At the end the MAGA crowd aren't the real idiots but Latino and black voters who for no reason suddenly support Trump.
I read an analysis that many GenZ voters will vote for Trump because he is more fun and entraining. These idiots should get their voting rights revoked.
Another 4 years of Trump isn't fun for the world. There are problems enough don't need a right wing, narcissist in the White House again.
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The fastest growing cohort in the Democratic coalition is highly educated suburbanites who used to vote W and Romney 60-40, hugging Dick Cheney while disgusting to us commie pinkos is actually a fairly good signifier to them that the D is now truly their party, if they embrace even W vice prez. My view of politics is very different from the bipartisan claptrap, no true progress has ever been achieved in US history under divided government, but just looking at the Americans in this thread clearly that still hold appeals to some of them, and doubly so for the electorate at large.
Or whale.
You keep saying everyone should know these things, but they don't. You know it, I know it. But not everyone scratches below the surface, be it in politics or in other topics in life.
You're bio says you are from the Philippines. Think back to Ferdinand Marcos. People voted for him, right?
That twitter post doesn't make any sense. The Iraq War divided things sharper than any time since Vietnam. In fact, the Iraq War ended the massive unity and patriotism that happened immediately after 9/11.
yeah that’s not true.
Is it actually too close to call or trending Trump?
It's 100% true. Where you living in America through 9/11 and the Iraq War? Did you go to the massive protests surrounding it in US cities? Did you witness the tone of every bar and public space change drastically from the year after 9/11 to after the Iraq War started? Do you know what it was like to campaign for Kerry in 2004?
Because unless you can answer yes to all those, you don't really know what it was like at all and neither does some anonymous rando on twitter.
2 seconds of Googling:
"The unity that followed the attacks didn’t last long. Americans reverted more quickly than some analysts expected to older patterns of partisanship. With time, new divisions over new issues have emerged, and they make the prospect of a united nation ever more distant."
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Too close to call.
I would say trending Trump after these hurricanes.
I don't think this will hurt Harris but Chris Rufo has a thread on Harris plagiarism and the NYT picked it up: https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/14/us/christopher-rufo-kamala-harris-book.html
Kamala seems to spend a lot of time going on shows like Colbert where everyone who is watching is likely going to vote for her anyway.
Yes, but she will also appear on Fox and appeared on CNN and 60 minutes.
Public support for the war was high during the early stages.
America is a big country. The anti Iraq war protests achieved nothing and the fact a lot of people who went on those protests are now going to vote for a candidate supported by Dick Cheney says a lot.
Also thankfully the lord saved me from ever listening to Green Day in early 2000’s New York.
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Most protests achieve nothing. But the Iraq War protests had 50-100,000+ in many cities on multiple occasions, which is magnitudes higher than most anti-Israel protests of the last year.
Also, some poll that shows support for the Iraq War doesn't back up this claim of massive unity and nationalism which quite simply did not exist after 2003 and especially not 2004 with the election. The reality is that the unity part really ended with the Iraq War, even a little before it. There simple wasn't this massive wave of "nationalism and unity" by 2003. A lot of people would have answered yes they supported Iraq at that time but they certainly weren't in this hyperbolic state of nationalism and unity with Bush, which would make sense if you actually talked to hundreds of voters during the 2004 election campaign like I did. Even those polls you linked show 67% by Aug. 2004 believe the US went to war on false assumptions and that was even before the NY Times game changing article that exposed how bad the WMD claims were (Oct.3, 2004) when a lot of the doubts and accusations against Rumsfeld and Cheney really amplified. Dubya was actually pretty divisive as a President after that initial 9/11 boost, it just doesn't seem that way to people who have Trump in their recent memory.
I'm German but staying in the Philippines and Thailand.
In both countries elections are very frustrating due to rampant vote buying and low education of the rural people.
Thailand voted for Thaksin, his brother in law, his younger sister and now his daughter. They would probably vote for his dog too, if he ran out of family members.
The Filipino voted for Duterte who is even worse than Thaksin. 6 terrible years. 2 years lockdown of the whole country.
That's when I started to follow the US and Trump during COVID-19. Out of boredom.
I read critical of Marcos Jr but have to admit I'm pleasantly surprised so far. 180 turn away from the pro China policies of Duterte. Reestablish the ties with US.
Enough as it's all off topic.
I'm a German living 30 years in SEA and I know that Trump is danger to the current world order and notorious liar who didn't keep most of his promises.
The US aren't Thailand and Philippines. I can forgive the uneducated province folks to vote for populists but hey the US, the elder democracy on earth, should be better than them. Apparently they aren't.
The deep state doing all it can to stop the orange moron, both bad
And this will no doubt be much worse for many voters than a fascist autocracy.
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Red Dreams is that you
What is your problem? We all know that from the standpoint of war, especially in the Middle East, that both parties have a poor track record.
The election is a binary decision. Hard to say what Harris would do about Israel and Gaza. Im sure the wont get played like Biden has.
We know Trump will allow Bibi and Putin to continue to butcher innocents in Ukraine and Gaza. Why? Because Bibi and Putin have said nice things about Trump - that is all it takes.
Spend a year watching right wing media and you will believe that black is white and up is down.
Many in this country are in a media and cultural eco chamber.
Hasn't Germany just elected a far right politician for the first time since WW2?
When peoples lives are shit and someone comes along that has a certain personality, who they think is talking to and championing them, who allows them to think that the problem is not them but a certain section of society, then all of a sudden a populist / fascist movement starts up.