Judging the reach of Howard Stern, The View and Call Her Daddy by their YouTube view count is ridiculous.
2024 U.S. Elections | Trump v Harris
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Agree, they are softballs for Trump.
But, it is not like Andrew Shultz or Theo Von are investigative journalists with an anti Dem agenda. They are conversations, but the issue is she is just too scared to make a mistake. She would be much better off letting the guard slip a little.
I wasn't being entirely serious.
I contexted that in my post.
The View gets an average of 2.393mil viewers an episode.
Stern has a small live audience on Sirius. It is on subscription radio which is dying. He hasn't been relevant for a decade.
Call My Daddy obviously has a large audience on Apple and Spotify. But as are the ones Trump has been on.
Vonn and Fragrant are top 10 in Apple and Spotify, so if you want to say counting only YT views as being ridiculous, then make sure you are considering the fact that the shows I mentioned that Trump are on are also top Podcasts.
FEMA temporarily pauses aid in parts of NC over reported threats
I feel like this has been underreported over the weekend. I mean this can be directly correlated to trumps insane lies about FEMA and hurricane relief. Any pause in aid or having to respond to threats or alleged threats is completely their fault. They didn't need to lie and spread this misinformation. And it was always going to lead to this just like the Springfield Haitian population lies.
This should clearly demonstrate that trump is not the one to handle disasters. Along with his threats to California over wildfire funding. He tells on himself with the conspiracies. Choosing to punish blue states and blue citie voters while claiming they are doing that to MAGA voters.
Just found out?
She's been a loon for years. Thinks the moon landing was faked and her father played a major part in it.
Eyes Wide Shut.
It ain't going to work. She is appealing here to a black audience who are probably already with her. Those who may have the opportunity to open their own business in the coming years, can afford crypto or who wish to seek a male mentor.
The black men that are pro Trump are with him for these reasons....
The First Step act, which Trump signed. They may know someone who got out of jail because of this.
$1,200 stimulus checks in 2020 that were signed by Trump.
The impression that Trump has been a victim of the justice system and the courts. Relatable for many black men.
Harris being a DA.
Perhaps the question should be; how many of the current Florida residents will be here.... in years to come?
Perhaps they would prefer the money spent to protect their homes now, in improving buildings suitability (to survive storms etc.); improved coastal defences; upgrade evacuation systems and survival equipment, etc... in order to lower their insurance policies now.
It is becoming increasingly obvious that in many cases the changes that are needed to materially prevent and/or improve climate issues, should have been implemented years ago. The enemy is already at the gates, planning how we might have defeated it years ago, is not now the issue. Reinforcing the gates is!
More to the point, do you believe those voters (the so-called bro vote) are very gettable for Harris?
Whether it’s right or wrong, it’s clearly just a strategy thing. She wants to drive out female voters and appeal to independents and Republican moderates, so that’s where she spends the time.
If/when Trump loses (lord willing), he dies in prison.
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Honestly after all this rhetoric that’s come out of the Trump Admin, if black people and brown people still want to vote for him, then they can’t be helped. If any person of color/immigrant votes for Trump, in my mind you are beyond help.
Kamala Harris should go on JRE. Yes, she will face tough questions about inflation and the border but she will reach a wide audience beyond just Maga supporters.
Inflation can be defended. An administration's work is reflected over time, not immediately.
Obama helped the U.S. recover from the recession, and Trump benefited from it. Trump increased the debt, and COVID hit, which Kamala and Joe Biden had to clean up. The U.S. recovered faster than any other country. Kamala needs to hammer this home.
Border crossings are a challenge. She will be questioned and may not have strong answers. But the dems tried to fix it with a border bill that Trump blocked, out of SELFISH reasons. This can be tackled by shifting the focus of the conversation.
A strong, confident communicator would take this opportunity head on.
Inflation can be defended. An administration's work is reflected over time, not immediately.
Obama helped the U.S. recover from the recession, and Trump benefited from it. Trump increased the debt, and COVID hit, which Kamala and Joe Biden had to clean up. The U.S. recovered faster than any other country. Kamala needs to hammer this home.
Border crossings are a challenge. She will be questioned and may not have strong answers. But the dems tried to fix it with a border bill that Trump blocked, out of SELFISH reasons. This can be tackled by shifting the focus of the conversation.
A strong, confident communicator would take this opportunity head on.
How??? Trump's management of the pandemic was a total disaster.
I'm sure his daily press briefings and frequent Q&A is what most Americans watched. Due to the lockdowns and restrictions they had more time than ever.
Even I watched them. Wouldn't he have caused so many deaths with his absolute incompetence, these briefings would have been pure comedy.
So how can they even think he performed better than Biden who had to clean up the mess Trump left first.
Completely agree. Too late to do much about the cause. Especially when the State Government in Florida and one political party don't want to admit to the causes of climate change.
Im not sure what the state is doing to mitigate the impact.
Very difficult for people to be able to afford all the defences required for their home. What can be done to protect from 10 foot storm surges?
Completely agree. Especially on the economic message. It really isn't complicated.
Message should be..... Biden administration cleaned up Trump's shit. The Harris administration will kick on after being given this solid platform.
She doesn't have to split from Biden on this either.
All of those people are Trump supporters who would absolutely roast Harris, appearing on any of those would do her more harm than good.
I can't tell you how. It is just part of people's psyche. They will focus on what their issue is today, not what happened 5 years ago.
COVID is long gone now in many peoples minds. It is no longer an issue.
But what remains are higher prices at supermarkets, housing, gas and insurance. People see those and without considering the larger context, blame the current administration. Trumps messaging, his ads and Fox News drum this home every day.
The phrase MAGA made little sense in 2016 because when exactly was he pointing to as a time when America was great? Now he is saying 2016 to mid December of 2019 was great and people are buying it.
I’d go so far as to say the way Trump makes them feel is that their old prejudices — dating back to the Civil War — are still justified. There is a reason that a racist vein runs through the GOP (taking into account the Democrats initially were the anti-black party).
GOP voters skew white, male, less educated, and older for the past several elections (don’t think anything pre-Nixon is relevant). These same voters are found in abundance in the former slave states. That’s no coincidence. Lastly, the southern tradition is Christian and the “moral majority” have successfully weaponized this rift.
The GOP under Trump appeals to the older Christian hetero male who doesn’t understand the modern world and thinks everything they “fought for” (be it Vietnam, Korea, etc.) is going to be plowed under by multicultural foreigners. The world they grew up in was one where a single blue collar income could support a family and include home ownership. That’s not the case obviously anymore, but instead of blaming offshoring of jobs and capital, they blame the workers and those struggling for equal footing in the workplace. That’s why policy is irrelevant to them. Trump is an avatar of white male privilege/slave owning. Their world did not include female presidents and gay marriage and global warming and atheism, and so they cling to Trump like a drowning man clings to a bobbing piece of flotsam. Worse, Trump has shown them they don’t need to learn anything or adapt, they can lob literal playground insults and give in to their ID with no repercussions. They were never going to win an argument with northern eggheads, so why bother; just call them Marxist Feminazis and be done with it.
If she get's roasted by a num nutt ex junkie like Theo Vonn, then she doesn't deserve to be President.
What is the utility in appearing on that show, putting a patina of legitimacy on it by so doing, and still persuading zero listeners? Those listeners need to be deprogrammed; they are lost. Her time and efforts are better spent elsewhere.
Yes I do.
Many are in an echo chamber due to their social media consumption. They don't get to hear the other side.
But once they hear Trump's opponent, in her own words, make a coherent case for herself and blow up some of the Trump bluster, then it could change some minds. At the very least, they may think "oh, she isn't the devil reincarnated who is looking to create a communist state and take my guns, meat and Coors lite".
Maybe she should go on and explain how Project 2025 plans to ban porn!!!
https://www.seattletimes.com/nation...presidential-campaign-targeting-project-2025/
I think she is getting a little more cut throat in attacking Trump - we saw it last night in NC. But it is not use doing that at rallys and on MSNBC. She needs to take that attack to places like the aforementioned.
I understand what you're saying, it just doesn't really apply to the original point at all, but sure.
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Disagree.
I mean. If you believe this, then why do we see Pete or Walz on Fox News?
The point it to break into the eco chamber and get your message across to those who only hear the demonic impression that they are fed of Harris and The Dems.
Trump is winning the messaging war because his TV ads are working. How is she going to combat that by playing safe?
Just hours after Trump "promised" to hire 10k more agents and give everyone a $10k signing/retention bonus.
You almost feel sad they believe he'll follow through.
Especially when he personally killed the bipartisan border bill that would have supported them directly with resources. Makes sense of course support that person that only wants the border as a election issue.
Apparently he does that quite often.
It has nothing to do with beliefs. US law enforcement are just cnuts, border agents especially so.
I’m really not sure these soft ball right wing podcasters would even give Harris the platform. As another poster has said they’re not investigative journalists, they don’t have the skill set to give her a Paxman like interrogation. She’s pretty rubbish but given the chance she’d have no trouble navigating any of their questions.
Someone like Ben Shapiro might, he’d relish the opportunity to talk over her repeating some bat shit point so he could create a sound bite of him “owning her”
Someone like Ben Shapiro might, he’d relish the opportunity to talk over her repeating some bat shit point so he could create a sound bite of him “owning her”
The likes of Theo Vonn and Andrew Schulz are like Call My Daddy for men. They would have her. Infact, on the Theo Vonn podcast with Mark Cuban, he said the Harris people had been intouch.
I will say that i have only listened to Theo Vonn and Andrew Schulz's shows with Trump and Mark Cuban, so don't have an extensive knowledge of their views.
Ben Shapiro - different category all together.
Indeed.
Fair, but he's certainly buying their endorsement. That said, they're always nice to me (not just saying that because I'm crossing the border tomorrow, NSA).
The trouble is many Americans don't even understand how tarrifs fecking work let alone inflation so there is absolutely no chance whatsoever they would understand an interviewer like Paxman.
I also don't see the point of Harris putting herself in danger like that because there is absolutely no way Trump would.
I've been absolutely longing to see Trump interviewed by someone, anyone who is articulate with a modicum of intelligence and political understanding. I remember him walking out of a BBC interview after being asked something he didn't want to (couldn't) answer honestly but alas it's not happened once in any interview or debate I've seen since he went in to politics.
It wouldn't matter anyway as his supporters wouldn't care and would say he was set up or make up some bullshit conspiracy to either get him off the hook or excuse whatever it was he said or did. They only see and hear what they want to. The Dems have a similar amount of supporters too. So who are you trying to sway?
Well it's those Republicans who are intelligent and those who see Trump and are disgusted by him, the ones who can't or won't vote for him based on his lies, actions, court cases etc. Then you have the Dems who won't vote for Harris because of the genocide issue or that she's too centre right and not left/liberal enough for them. Then you have the true undecided independents that honestly don't feel they are represented by either party or candidate.
I honestly cannot see how the US still continues to only have two parties election after election. I especially don't understand it seeing as the Tea Party and now MAGA are so much farther to the right and the Dems the centre at best. For a country that really does have millions of the more traditional fiscal, family values ( true believers, not the hypocritical ones) and proud Republicans alongside millions of truly liberal/left wing citizens who want gun control, even full bans, universal healthcare and education, fight to get/keep equal pay and rights, legalised abortion, benefits and nationalised transport systems and who want serious efforts to combat climate change or at the very least protect and repair the environment etc.... I honestly feel they are rarely ever represented. Bernie for the Dems is the only real example I can think of and he was shafted by his party because he was too left for them.
The Republicans have definitely had more candidates to choose from in the recent past, but certainly not since Trump has been on the scene. Obama made a lot of promises and then due to his political naivety, his wanting to appease an angry and loud Republican hatred and distrust of him and to try to unite a fractured country he achieved little of what he promised and ultimately could have done and the Republicans he tried to appease cut his legs from under him.
Since then the Dems have just put up candidates in Hillary and Biden that could win the elections, not ones who truly represent or were intent on getting the things the majority of Dem voters want.
Ultimately there is little difference between the two parties if you remove the MAGA lunatic fringe because it's more about winning the Presidency than it is actually making real changes. Also with the absolutely batshit system of Congress and the House unless you hold all three and with a big enough majority you can never do most of what is wanted or needed anyway. Even then with the filibuster and the Supreme Court it's not a given either.
To add to all that with the massive amount of money generated by elections, campaigning, advertising and especially lobbying by huge corporations and big money donors its even less likely the US will have a more European/Scandinavian type system for their countrymen and women.
I get the fear and anxiety with Trump and the real difference from the more moderate Republicans. I also get the massive divide he has helped massively widen, the divide that according to Republicans was started by Obama, and the divide I cannot see how it can ever be repaired, certainly not in one, two or even three election cycles. I just don't see outside of that any real difference and certainly don't see real change in the near future.
All I see the US is achieving is a creating a wider gap between a massively disenfranchised population who are purposely being set against each other and ultimately working against what is best for the majority of them all the while the rich keep getting richer, kids and innocent people get shot in mass shootings, healthcare continues to cripple so many and remain unaffordable to many more and even those with insurance get turned down for life saving operations or medicine because money. Homelessness rises, and if that wasn't bad enough in top of that with the fecking lunatic far right nuts like Trump you now have real pure political hatred and division that is off the scale, and also racism, especially towards immigrants, even legal ones, that is out of control. Someone's friend in here who is a second generation US citizen complaining about immigration just proves that point, especially from one of the youngest countries in the modern world that was fecking built on and by immigration and genocide...
It all just seems so fecking pointless, rinse and repeat election after election. Since my early teens I've always taken a huge interest in US politics but now I just find it fecking depressing and disgusting. Even more so as you have a billionaire pied piper like Trump creating a feck load of money for himself all the while causing unfold levels of hate, fear and division between the citizens he is supposed to want to help. We all know that's bollocks and he's only in it for himself but it's a sad indication of where the US is that a good third of the population either don't know that or don't care. If all that wasn't bad enough you have a geriatric Zionist President who was too old in the first place and only picked to stop Trump (going back Tommy earlier point of just winning elections) who has done nothing but support and fund what's turning out to be the worst genocide since the Holocaust with his possible successor seemingly set to continue and give her support in the same way and already in her campaign showing clearly she won't make any of the real changes in all the other areas needed either, and even if she wanted to she wouldn't have the majority anyway.
What a truly fecking depressing farce it all is and it's in times like this despite my disgust with much going on politically here, I think that actually, we don't have it too bad at all and thank feck I don't have to vote in the US.
feck, I'm going for a beer and a game of pool and I'm definitely going to start smoking weed again.
But it's not legal here..... feck.... Maybe.....
NYT - When the former president endorses violence and proposes using the government to attack his enemies, many of his supporters assume it’s just an act.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/14/us/elections/trump-promises-extreme-rhetoric.html
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Feck me. Who will be next?
Also, where the feck has RFK disappeared to?