2024 U.S. Elections | Trump v Harris
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* Can Biden (assuming he beats Trump) last another four years?
* Is the democrats plan if necessary, to tie Biden onto his saddle until he wins the race with Trump; then someone (presumably his doctor) suddenly decides he's too old, to ill, etc to carry on, and he steps down and someone else takes over as President?
* Who takes over?
* If this is the plan, how long does he 'soldier on' into his next 4 years?
* How many barricades will they need around the White-house when the 'good ol'e' MAGA boys turn up mob handed?
* Where does the US go next.... 'rinse and repeat'....?
* Is the democrats plan if necessary, to tie Biden onto his saddle until he wins the race with Trump; then someone (presumably his doctor) suddenly decides he's too old, to ill, etc to carry on, and he steps down and someone else takes over as President?
* Who takes over?
* If this is the plan, how long does he 'soldier on' into his next 4 years?
* How many barricades will they need around the White-house when the 'good ol'e' MAGA boys turn up mob handed?
* Where does the US go next.... 'rinse and repeat'....?
Even more bizarre that he describes narrowly avoiding being murdered as being bitten by the world's largest mosquito.
If he wins, he could easily resign within a year or so if his cognitive decline worsens. That would make a lot of Dems happy because Harris would be the incumbent going into 2028.
I'm surprised Bill Ackman hasn't received a speaking spot at the RNC. I guess his Trump endorsement came too late.
It's genuinely fascinating to see the so-called Democrat Wall Street donors do a complete 180 since the debate and close ranks around Trump.
It's genuinely fascinating to see the so-called Democrat Wall Street donors do a complete 180 since the debate and close ranks around Trump.
That was so bizarre
Many of them know they can't buy their way into influence under a Dem President, which is why they are using Biden's debate performance as a bat signal to go all in on Trump. The relationship between corporatism and fascism is well known.
This
Enough to get her in over JD Vance ?
Surely what happens in Nov this year has been changed by JD Vance's appointment as Trump's running mate, someone who has pulled himself up by his bootlaces, the 'american dream'? Whether Trump wins or loses in Nov, the Republicans have someone who can win against Harris in 2028.
It seems the GoP isn't asleep after all, but the democrats don't seem to be able to learn the value of forward planning.
More tech bros for Trump.
If Biden loses in November, then Harris may not even be the nominee in 28, since the Dems have a list of others who will be vying for the job by then. Newsom, Whitmer, Buttigieg, Wes Moore, and several others.
Political history, especially of places outside the US, is unfortunately not something most of the Wall St crowd are well versed in. Because if they were they would know that the political leaders usually get the better end of these deals.
So wall Street, the tech industry and other billionaires - many with shady ties to questionable regimes donating like their lives depend on it, the media continuing to provide Trump with all the coverage he could ever hope for, but tell me again MAGA people how it's the deep state supporting the Dems? This fkin world man.
Ackman made his way over last year because of DEI and Palestine. Andreesen has always been right-wing. BlackRock supported Trump in 2020. Musk has been very publicly making his way to the right since 2018 or so.
But the core Dem big donors, including Hollywood and Wall St, remain loyal - he had a MASSIVE fundraising advantage over Trump before the debate, and it absolutely was not coming from small donors.
Basically, I just don't see such a big shift!
Saw a few more clips... i wonder if the family are fooling him or fooling themselves too. he's far gone.
Biden comfortably outraised Trump, and it's not because of small donors.
That is true, but then won't the Democrats be even further behind?
In the last week or so, effectively the 'baton change' needed in both parties has been signaled as being needed imminently; the 'old men' perhaps have begun to recognise their vulnerability, one through his deteriorating cognitive condition being ruthlessly exposed a number of times, the other by literally, 'dodging a bullet'.
The GoP have stolen a lead and done it by forward planning and picking a VP candidate who will lead the way forward for the future of the party, whether he and Trump win or lose in November. The other doesn't seem to realise yet, that his vulnerability will force a baton change, whether he likes it or not , if not now then very quickly after Nov 2024, again whether he wins or loses, the Democrats are staring down the barrel.
literally any other candidate and the other would be so washed
He saw the light and reflected on his ways.
JD Vance is Peter Thiel's pet isn't he? Or am i mixing him up someone
Don't think it's going to happen now.
Sadly doesn’t appear so.
The Mexican-American Fuentes is at it again
On the face of it, it may seem like a good idea. But tipped workers have a low minimum wage. It is $2.13 an hour, which has not changed since 1991.
There has been pressure to raise that for many years.
Guess who doesn't want the $2.13 to raise? Maybe people who own hotels, golf clubs, restaurants etc. You know - people like Donald Trump!!!!
Also consider, that the majority of tipped workers earn less than the $32k federal tax threshold anyway.
If anything, this will benefit the higher earning tipped workers, not those at the bottom of the tree, who are already probably not reporting the cash tips anyway.
And you also have to consider, what does a tipped worker do once it is time to start claiming social security at retirement age, when they have been showing very small earnings on their returns? You hide away all your tips, then you won't have much showing when time comes to calculate what you have put into the social security pot in your lifetime.
And guess who wants to scrap / save on social security? The GOP.
A kid named Vivek
Its not the kids fault that Ramaswamy polluted the name in subsequent years.
Who is this JD Vance? Didn't accuse Trump of being America's Hitler and said he would never ever be a trumpist.
Must be one of the worst opportunists around if true. The world is fecked if these nutters will will the election.
In Germany many are shocked about this choice for VP.
Must be one of the worst opportunists around if true. The world is fecked if these nutters will will the election.
In Germany many are shocked about this choice for VP.
It is true & yes he’s a massive opportunist dickhead
You just know this will end with Trump getting frustrated that Vance doesn't do something (probably) corrupt he wants him to, and result in Trump making a racist comment about Vance's wife.
How dare he attack UPENN!? Also, has he forgotten he went there too?
Is he the guy Peter Thiel has been bankrolling for years?
Yes.
Thats not good. I remember reading about him years ago.
Peter Thiel just seems really sinister and this guy seems like a sockpuppet
I genuinely cannot wrap my head around how someone so stupid can have so much influence in the world
Some context here. That $2 wage you quoted only applies to the handful of red states without a state minimum wage amd those state's employers still need to comply with federal minimum including tips. It really comes down to the state (https://www.dol.gov/agencies/whd/state/minimum-wage/tipped). Definitely in those handful of red states the laws suck for tipped workers but in other states like a NY or California, people can make a much better living with tips than you'd get at a retail or low end job. It's hard to just look at a national average because it will vary so much by state. Really the min wage laws need to be reformed for those red states to not let them get away with underpaying tipped workers before tips.
The SS is an interesting point though. While I am pretty sure the difference between unreported tips being invested (even at less than 100%) will always be better long term any difference in SS benefits from reporting the increased wage, it's also true that less than 50% will be investing that extra money, at least among younger tipped workers. I'm not sure that point will convince the types of people I worked with. I'm pretty sure most would still prefer tips not be taxed.
And now there is a huge range of people included among tipped workers too, from young people working through college to less educated/skilled workers in the best earning job they can find to people working part time while they pursue other jobs/interests to retired people driving Uber for a little spare income.
Came here to post this exact thing. Seems like a pretty big f deal as Biden would have said. Is it doable?