2016 US Presidential Elections | Trump Wins

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berbatrick said:
Russian propaganda is so great it even managed to halt our destruction of the planet! Or so the presumptive leader of the free world says.



Source: https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/927 (attachments, this is the same source her quote about pvt and public positions came from, which she confirmed in the debate by answering the question and adding context)

So, global warming is either a Chinese conspiracy (Trump), environemntal groups are Russian fronts (Hillary), or we should do nothing about unproven cliamte change (Johnson). These 3 are dangerous for literally our future as human beings.* But Stein's position on vaccines is dodgy and nuanced so she's worse.

*Trump and Johnson are self-explanatory; Hillary's position on fracking makes all plans impossible right at the start.
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Was it even secret? The article also addresses the issues of energy independence and increase competition for Russia/others as reasons they might be trying to prevent fracking in other places. Hell, the whole reason oil is so cheap right now is because OPEC and others have opened up exports to drive out competition.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...rnie-s/does-hillary-clinton-support-fracking/
 
Old and somewhat irrelevant and I'm sure there are better examples but it's amazing in the marked difference in their answers on things as basic as their daughters and wives, not to mention the more complex issues of race.

Whatever the final word on Obama's stint as president of the US will be, I think he sets a great example for people in general in the way he speaks about issues, both closer to home and big and far reaching.

http://m.huffingtonpost.in/entry/barack-obama-donald-trump-quotes_us_579a155fe4b02d5d5ed489ce
 
Sir Matt said:
http://www.newsweek.com/vladimir-putin-sidney-blumenthal-hillary-clinton-donald-trump-benghazi-sputnik-508635

Sputnik posts a misrepresentation so bad they take it down yet Trump cites it as the truth at a rally later. He's literally being spoonfed propaganda from Russia and he spouts it immediately. He may be brain dead.
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Russia misrepresent and alter e-mails from hacks? WTF. I'm shocked. NOT. AT. ALL. I'm actually amused that there are still people out there who take the content of those leaked e-mails literal.
 
berbatrick said:
Russian propaganda is so great it even managed to halt our destruction of the planet! Or so the presumptive leader of the free world says.



Source: https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/927 (attachments, this is the same source her quote about pvt and public positions came from, which she confirmed in the debate by answering the question and adding context)

So, global warming is either a Chinese conspiracy (Trump), environemntal groups are Russian fronts (Hillary), or we should do nothing about unproven cliamte change (Johnson). These 3 are dangerous for literally our future as human beings.* But Stein's position on vaccines is dodgy and nuanced so she's worse.

*Trump and Johnson are self-explanatory; Hillary's position on fracking makes all plans impossible right at the start.
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:lol:

So you response to an article highlighting potential nexus between the Donald and Russian propaganda is to quote the leaked emails on her climate change position and wonder why Stein is not taken seriously because of her vaccination stance? This is another false equivalence that needs to be called out. Jill Stein is not a valid choice now not because of her position on vaccination, but because best case scenario she'll get 5 percent of vote. Her position on vaccines is often called out because she is a candidate who plays the 'we are not bought by anyone' card heavily.
 
The bottom falls out, as we knew it would
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blog...476122676863&tid=ss_tw&utm_term=.b3e3247f3ee3

The GOP certainly needs principled, forward leading candidates. But what it needs is a new constituency. The Fox TV audience/the talk show addicts/the birthers are incapable of sustaining viable candidates. The GOP as it is will never amount to an electoral majority, in part because what excites it turns off almost every other group. The crass, vulgar, angry and irrational mob that thrills when Trump acts like a madman is not a base around which a successful national party can be built. Know-nothingism, xenophobia and misogyny are enough to garner the GOP nomination, which explains why the GOP is unable to field a winning candidate.
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Love that word!
 
InfiniteBoredom said:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Know_Nothing

:p
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Yup, we're back in the 1850s...

I disagree with that excerpt though. It's clear that they are capable of sustaining viable candidates at all the other levels apart from President, and there'll be plenty of Republicans in no rush whatsoever to expand their base because it's getting them elected still. It would take pretty brave root-and-branch reappraisal of the entire party, going against very happily elected officials at all levels, and who in the current Reps has the stomach for doing that?
 
300 - 329
» 5.1
330 - 359
» 3.3
360 or more
» 2.9

The odds have changed ridiculously in the last couple of days. If you bet on Hilary's electoral college votes, the lowest odds are on her getting over 360.
 
ThierryHenry said:
300 - 329
» 5.1
330 - 359
» 3.3
360 or more
» 2.9

The odds have changed ridiculously in the last couple of days. If you bet on Hilary's electoral college votes, the lowest odds are on her getting over 360.
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What's the odd for over 400 from whatever site you are using?

I'm skint now sadly :(

Edit: unless it's the '360 or more', then damn those wily bastards!
 
InfiniteBoredom said:
What's the odd for over 400 from whatever site you are using?

I'm skint now sadly :(

Edit: unless it's the '360 or more', then damn those wily bastards!
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Betfair - and yeah, '360 or more' is the upper limit. There's a few interesting bets to be made I think though - electoral college, Hilary's % share of the vote, the number of Democrat states. Hopefully I can find some value there before the election.
 
Adisa said:
This is what people have been saying for months. The GOP is facing an existential crisis.
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I noticed but it appeared to me as if GOP as a whole shifted more and more in Tea Party direction, hardly anybody high profile was putting on the breaks to notable effect.
 
Crossie said:
I noticed but it appeared to me as if GOP as a whole shifted more and more in Tea Party direction, hardly anybody high profile was putting on the breaks to notable effect.
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The GOP establishment are responsible for the Tea party take over. Their hate for Obama was so extreme, that they welcomed any opposition to him no matter how extreme., ie the birther issue. How many republicans spoke out against the birther loons?
Imo, that's Obama's biggest legacy. The destruction of the republican party.
 
Adisa said:
The GOP establishment are responsible for the Tea party take over. Their hate for Obama was so extreme, that they welcomed any opposition to him no matter how extreme., ie the birther issue. How many republicans spoke out against the birther loons?
Imo, that's Obama's biggest legacy. The destruction of the republican party.
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He's had a lot of help from prominent Republicans to be fair.
 
Adisa said:
Imo, that's Obama's biggest legacy. The destruction of the republican party.
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Very well put and very true.

I don't get why anybody would hate Obama unless (s)he's a racist. I understand if people oppose his aims and have different aims and / or prefer different measures to achieve the same objective. But hate? Especially from people who claim to be oh so religious? Cnuts.
 
What are the Americans thinking, especially the supporters of the GOP, about Trumps sympathie for Putin and his views about Russia and the Nato?
Always thought this must cause a clear cut between "iam always vote GOP" voters and the their actual candidate called Trump. But that doesnt seem to be the case?
 
Carolina Red said:
Kurt Eichenwald, Vanity Fair contributing editor, is on CNN right now proving that Trump cited Russian propaganda yesterday in an attack on Hillary and Sydney Blumenthal about Benghazi.

He also wrote an article showing how he knows it's Russian propaganda...
https://mobile.twitter.com/kurteichenwald/status/785663294417752064
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These journalists are working under dual, very potent motivation now... threats to themselves and families from deplorables, and pushing each other with excellent work. Bound to be another monster story soon because they have the bit between their teeth.
 
I hope Columbia U makes an exception this year and award Pulitzer for investigative reporting for both Fahrenthold and Eichenwald. Both of them have been genuinely excellent.
 
slig said:
What are the Americans thinking, especially the supporters of the GOP, about Trumps sympathie for Putin and his views about Russia and the Nato?
Always thought this must cause a clear cut between "iam always vote GOP" voters and the their actual candidate called Trump. But that doesnt seem to be the case?
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There's a chart I've seen that shows the attitudes of GOP and Democrat voters to Russia/Putin over the last few years - the Dem view stays about the same throughout, but the GOP voters suddenly start taking a more positive view of them right as Trump rises.
 
Ubik said:
There's a chart I've seen that shows the attitudes of GOP and Democrat voters to Russia/Putin over the last few years - the Dem view stays about the same throughout, but the GOP voters suddenly start taking a more positive view of them right as Trump rises.
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So despite that Russia is getting more and more radical year after year, causing a war in Europe and support strongly another (probably the worst since decades, talking about Syria) Conservatives explore their love for them? I just cant get it.
 
Raoul said:
I find the best way to follow the election is to watch the various daily narratives on the news and online. Then juxtapose the polls against what the narratives are.

- Polls : https://twitter.com/PpollingNumbers

- Polling Averages: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/president/

- Statistical Model: http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/

Once new polls are released on the twitter feed, RCP usually incorporates them minutes later, and a few more minutes later Nate Silver's FiveThirtyEight site is updated.

The numbers don't lie.
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I know and the majority of the time I share your confidence as to what the result will be. It's more the way you seem calm about the extreme right wing elements to the political debate that I wish I could share. I don't know if this is simply that you're more knowledgeable on the history of US politics than I, and have known similar trends come and go.

I find myself identifying a lot with @langster when reading this thread as his posts often contain the fear, disbelief, anger and disillusionment that I regularly feel.
 
slig said:
So despite that Russia is getting more and more radical year after year, causing a war in Europe and support strongly another (probably the worst since decades, talking about Syria) Conservatives explore their love for them? I just cant get it.
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Conservatives love their strongmen. Their sentiment towards Putin was already more favourable to begin with, even before the rise of Feckface Von Clownstick.
 
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