Y'all seen Stranger Things?
2016 US Presidential Elections | Trump Wins
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Y'all seen Stranger Things?
And Fox
God I hope Hannity had to talk about this.
I hope this paints a definitive picture of any 'revolution' by the younger generation. Posting in social medias from the comfort of your couch and voting in the fashionable presidential election does not a revolution make, if you don't put the hard yards for the unfashionable local elections. Rightly or wrongly, presidents can only affect policies so much and the implementation of these policies are with state and local bodies. Unless democrats and the younger obama/sanders coalition turn up for these elections, change will always be a pipe dream. For all of Obama's oratory skills and his popularity, in spite of his repeated requests for voter turnout, there was disappointing turn out in the mid term elections, with Republicans sweeping blue states like PA.
Sanders called for local turnout election and his initiative immediately fell flat on its knees because of supposed differences with Weaver and how the campaign was set up with IRS. Obviously, it had to be pure, ideological and based entirely on the grassroots movement while going up against R's who will no doubt bring the full propaganda machine driven by Citizens United. These guys never learn, in spite of what happened to Sanders against Clinton. These guys firmly believe if the grassroots youth movement had it's way, Sanders would have won and they weren't taken seriously. So much so that these disgruntled millennials find it hard to vote for Clinton and will choose Stein/Johnson. Apparently this is the same Gary Johnson who stands for almost nothing in common with Sanders apart from pot legalization. There's a reason why youthful exuberance will only get you so far and it has to work along with pragmatic decision making by seasoned veterans.
Let us hope that there is no more blaming 'triggers' and 'microaggressions' and instead there is a concerted genuine effort to make a difference. This election won't be an indicator, but the local and mid term elections will clearly show how serious we are for change.
Rant over.
Sanders called for local turnout election and his initiative immediately fell flat on its knees because of supposed differences with Weaver and how the campaign was set up with IRS. Obviously, it had to be pure, ideological and based entirely on the grassroots movement while going up against R's who will no doubt bring the full propaganda machine driven by Citizens United. These guys never learn, in spite of what happened to Sanders against Clinton. These guys firmly believe if the grassroots youth movement had it's way, Sanders would have won and they weren't taken seriously. So much so that these disgruntled millennials find it hard to vote for Clinton and will choose Stein/Johnson. Apparently this is the same Gary Johnson who stands for almost nothing in common with Sanders apart from pot legalization. There's a reason why youthful exuberance will only get you so far and it has to work along with pragmatic decision making by seasoned veterans.
Let us hope that there is no more blaming 'triggers' and 'microaggressions' and instead there is a concerted genuine effort to make a difference. This election won't be an indicator, but the local and mid term elections will clearly show how serious we are for change.
Rant over.
I'll take that.
Wallace is one of the better ones on Fox iirc
Heard that if Trump does not win Florida, its game over and he has no chance.
Is that true?
Is that true?
Is there a schedule anywhere for the polls? It'd be useful to know when big ones are due...
Yes.
He'd need to win a bunch of states that Obama won in 2012 to overcome it - Ohio, Iowa, Pennsylvania, Nevada, Wisconsin and New Hampshire (or Michigan instead of those last two). Unlikely.
How likely is he to win it? Isn't this state home to a decent proportion of the gun lobby?
It's very close at the moment. Clinton is in with a chance due to high latino population.
Florida? It'll come down to turn out. Demographic have the generic ballot as D +2.5
Jon Stewart once told him he added an integrity to balance the likes of lumpy.
Shep Smith is my favourite Fox guy.
Very slim for him to pull all those states off.
His comments on the Mrs universe will have just made more and more latinos make sure they vote.
Someone posted a little while back that there's been a massive upsurge in Hispanic voter registration this week
Wowza. Deadline is Oct.11
What's turnout like among Latino voters? Will it be higher this time due to the Trump effect? Everything I've read hints that Latinos are generally more conservative, though it seems like it might be difficult for them to vote GOP this time round. Might mean no vote at all?
Also, hows it looking for Congress? What sort of margin would Dems need to take that?
Bleak. They will take back the Senate, just, but House isn't looking bright.
I'd go out on a limp and say they gain 6-9 seats.
Any gain is good in Congress, though, so long as it ain't a loss. Republicans seem to have dominated Congress for decades (probably not the case, but just how it feels).
Fascinating idea. I wonder how tempted the Clinton campaign team are into trying to goad him into a prideful boast about not losing so much and making him sound like a tax fraud....
Trump's scumbag supporters came after his kids... now he's taking the fight back to Trump.
Kurt Eichenwald in... another Newsweek article. Rated Burrrrrrn.
http://europe.newsweek.com/how-donald-trump-ditched-us-steel-workers-china-505717?rm=eu
Oopsie, as per this article, it also describes him working with Chinese state banks AND George Soros. Doh.
Kurt Eichenwald in... another Newsweek article. Rated Burrrrrrn.
http://europe.newsweek.com/how-donald-trump-ditched-us-steel-workers-china-505717?rm=eu
Oopsie, as per this article, it also describes him working with Chinese state banks AND George Soros. Doh.
The gain is minuscule compared to what they'll have to defend in mid term/2018.
They're turning up in other places to burn effigies of Trump in the streets...I'm sure quite a few could be arsed to vote.
Though the Florida Latino community is unique in that there are the large numbers of Cuban refugees/descendants that were not at all happy about restarting relations with this Cuban government.
Do we have historical trends for these? Because I remember similar (but directionally opposite) reaction from the primary turnout numbers.
Publicly traded or privately held, corporations operate under the same principles - maximizing shareholder value. If you're going to criticize, at least have some idea of what you're talking about, Kurt.
I know it's splitting hairs, but I read him as trying to say that it's rich of Trump to be spouting about American industries shrinking when he wasn't using them himself, not beholden to anyone but himself. Of course he's in it to maximise profit for himself when there are no shareholders, but then it doesn't tally with his guff in his tweets about supporting American jobs. Same as with his clothes manufacturing.
The state have a big influx of Puerto Ricans in recent years, about 1.2m to date iirc, plus the younger Cuban Americans are far more friendly to the Dems than their older counterparts.
This one has more to do with ground operation. Primary voters tend to be the hardcore type.
Oh god. That means CNN will be hyping up their poll and ignoring the others in the coverage tonight.
In the absence of trends, I could spin this easily: GOP voters = old, don't need to register.
Raoul, if you're not at an airport you don't have to watch CNN.
I switch between CNN and MSNBC.
He is up against it a bit in that regard
The clothing line is a tough one. Very little of that industry isn't offshored. Most of it is through a handful of manufacturers operating under licence for a number of lines. To be a made in the USA clothier you'd need to set up virtually from scratch.
That is, assuming he's drawing in *new* old voters. Which to date, there's sparse evidence.
I think meaningful trends don't exist because there's been a realignment of demographics in the last decades or two. Older and working whites in FL went to Clinton/Gore much more than they do now.
He is up against it a bit in that regard
The clothing line is a tough one. Very little of that industry isn't offshored. Most of it is through a handful of manufacturers operating under licence for a number of lines. To be a made in the USA clothier you'd need to set up virtually from scratch.
For example, here in Ireland Michael O'Leary makes plenty of noises about not living offshore in a tax haven and how much tax he has to pay, and is actually still living here and paying taxes. He's insufferable, but he has stayed here and paid. Trump is making loads of noise on the one hand, yet on the other hand doing the opposite when it comes down to his own business. Do what I say, not what I do, like.
He is up against it a bit in that regard
He's the master of paradox.
- Support black people development yet has staunch supporters from KKK.
- Meets Mexican president, yet wants to build wall
- Promises to reduce deficit, but supports tax avoidance as "smart".
- Stands for blue collar America, but rarely pays contractors he employs.
- Smart businessman, yet has gone through 3 bankruptcies incl $900m loss.
- The election system is gamed, but is OK as long as he wins.
There must be more...
Huh? I thought your tax rates were tiny?
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