2016 US Presidential Elections | Trump Wins

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His cyber terrorism response would have been hilarious if it wasn't coming from a nominee for the US presidency. He basically said his 10 year old kid uses a computer and he is amazing at it, so "we need to cyber and internet" better. :lol:
 
His cyber terrorism response would have been hilarious if it wasn't coming from a nominee for the US presidency. He basically said his 10 year old kid uses a computer and he is amazing at it, so "we need to cyber and internet" better. :lol:

He also seemed to genuinely believe that cyber terrorism is basically just ISIS posting stuff on twitter. The man's an absolute cretin.
 
The Machado and Khan incidents may seem like random bouts of good luck for Clinton, but they are, in fact, an indication that it’s useful to run a functional campaign. In both cases, the Clinton camp elevated Machado and the Khans, and did so strategically, with an understanding that Trump would likely overreact. He didn’t disappoint.

As president, Trump would face adversaries who also think strategically ― and his inability to keep his cool could have untold geopolitical consequences.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-khizr-khan-alicia-machado_us_57ea9bfce4b082aad9b72d29
 
There is a lot of misty eyed reverence to Biden, Warren and Sanders just because they are 'not Clinton'. Nobody stopped them running in the race, it's done and over with.
 
Whenever there's something obviously bad you'd think it's not going to happen, then somehow it happens

Brexit
Moyes to United
Trump

The more stupid/arrogant/shotgun shooting foul mouthed trump is, the bigger his chances.

Imo he's only banking on being totally different. He won't win by becoming mainstream
 
If he was truly different he would have ran as a non-party affiliate, independent candidate. Yeah he's bucked the GOP with his own rules but he's still got an R next to his name. He's just as much a part of the corrupt system as the politicians he calls out.
 
It doesn't mean anything how poor he was 30 years ago. He has been 25 years in senate or so, and 8 years as VP. He showed that he is good at it in VP debate 8 years ago, but against Trump might have been different cause facts don't matter much (IIRC, he destroyed Ryan by using facts that he really knew while Ryan was relatively new in politics).

No one give a damn about him against Ryan (an utter empty suit). He was flattened 8 years ago by John Edwards as well :lol:.

Every cycle has a 'what if' candidate. On Election Day 2012, YouGov projected a 1 point margin victory for Obama and 7 points for Clinton had she ran :angel:.

Biden has plenty of skeletons in his closet. Iraq vote, falsifying college record, Anita Hill trial. The moment he enter the race he'll be beaten down with them, and while his energetic working man 'I'm from Scranton' stump speech works well in small doses, it becomes boring pretty fast.

If Joe Biden instead of Hillary Clinton was the establishment choice, Bernie Sanders would now be the Democratic nominee.
 
No one give a damn about him against Ryan (an utter empty suit). He was flattened 8 years ago by John Edwards as well :lol:.

Every cycle has a 'what if' candidate. On Election Day 2012, YouGov projected a 1 point margin victory for Obama and 7 points for Clinton had she ran :angel:.

Biden has plenty of skeletons in his closet. Iraq vote, falsifying college record, Anita Hill trial. The moment he enter the race he'll be beaten down with them, and while his energetic working man 'I'm from Scranton' stump speech works well in small doses, it becomes boring pretty fast.

If Joe Biden instead of Hillary Clinton was the establishment choice, Bernie Sanders would now be the Democratic nominee.

Right and there are a lot of ABH people who longingly look at other idealistic choices like Warren, Sanders, Biden and are gnashing their teeth.
 
Trump wants to keep jobs in the USA by lowering taxes.

Clinton wants to create jobs by raising the minimum wage.

Nobody talks about all those people who are never going to find jobs because of increasing automation.
 
Why Bordeaux are less predictable than Donald Trump
This piece is extracted from our weekly Ligue 1 Review. Read the latest edition of this excellent column here.

After the shambles of last season, the 16/17 campaign is shaping up to be another unpredictable one for Les Girondins. So far they have been rampant in the first hour against St Étienne, completely disorganised in the 4-1 Garrone derby defeat at Toulouse, blunt in attack in the 1-0 loss at home to Angers and fluid in their 3-1 victory at Parc OL.

This weekend their game with Caen showed that they can also be completely devoid of ideas; a Jaroslav Plasil header, free at the back post, being only opening of a dire 90 minutes of football.

Bordeaux have a lot of promise and have shown that they have many good qualities but are yet to put in cohesive consecutive performances or string their positive aspects together with any real consistency.

With Menez and Rolan in attack they have goals, with Malcom and Ounas in wide areas they have pace and unpredictability, with Plasil and Toulalan in midfield they have creativity and guile on the ball and in Pallois, Carrasso and Sertic they have a strong defensive core.

When they finally find way to coerce these areas of undeniable quality into a consistent, harmonious team, they will be a force to be reckoned with. But, until then, their season and their form will continue to be a rollercoaster ride, much like Donald Trump’s bid to become President of the United States.

A.W.
 
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I watched the debate in full last night and don't really think it changes much.

Obviousy, most people have decided already and people are talking about swaying the undecideds, but would anything from the debate sway an undecided voter?

If you're considering voting for Trump, even a little bit, he didn't do so badly in the debate that you'd rule him out. He just continuted saying what he's been saying for the last year. Same with Hillary. I actually don't get how anyone can be undecided at this point in the election cycle. These two people are so different, so far apart on most major issues. I can't think of any reason how you would be on the fence. Yeah, you may not like either, but one has to be a whole lot closer than your way of thinking than the other. I can't think of anything that would be said at the debates that would make someone who is on the fence, who may have been considering Hillary, think "Oh yeah, Trump's my guy after that", or vice-versa.
 
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Nobody talks about all those people who are never going to find jobs because of increasing automation.
This is where education has to come in, but we have a 2 fold problem there... 1) the system is poorly structured to prepare our future working class students to take on working class jobs in automated industry... 2) those students are frequently becoming disillusioned with school and are not putting in the effort required to succeed and make it to technical schools after high school (partly due to #1).
 
I watched the debate in full last night and don't really think it changes much.

Obviousy, most people have decided already and people are talking about swaying the undecideds, but would anything from the debate sway an undecided voter?

If you're considering voting for Trump, even a little bit, he didn't do so badly in the debate that you'd rule him out. He just continuted saying what he's been saying for the last year. Same with Hillary. I actually don't get how anyone can be undecided at this point in the election cycle. These two people are so different, so far apart on most major issues. I can't think of any reason how you would be on the fence. Yeah, you may not like either, but one has to be a whole lot closer than your way of thinking than the other. I can't think of anything that would be said at the debates that would make someone who is on the fence, who may have been considering Hillary, think "Oh yeah, Trump's my guy after that", or vice-versa.
I agree on the undecided . How could you be trying to decide between the two of them ? I think it is more about will I vote for the one I'm most aligned with .
 
Just talked to my 'aul lad for the first time in ages. Very intelligent guy, former Maoist, historian, engaged in Irish politics his whole life. Apparently the debate convinced him that Trump is the man for the job :(
 
Just talked to my 'aul lad for the first time in ages. Very intelligent guy, former Maoist, historian, engaged in Irish politics his whole life. Apparently the debate convinced him that Trump is the man for the job :(

I have the numbers of some good nursing homes if you want them.
 
Just talked to my 'aul lad for the first time in ages. Very intelligent guy, former Maoist, historian, engaged in Irish politics his whole life. Apparently the debate convinced him that Trump is the man for the job :(

Well, Trump is a big step up from Mao, so I don´t see the problem. He probably supported many political lunatics during his live.
 
I have the numbers of some good nursing homes if you want them.

Well, Trump is a big step up from Mao, so I don´t see the problem. He probably supported many political lunatics during his live.

Hmmm, there's something in what you're saying (both of you...)

The main thing I took from it is that Trump is pretty much correct when he boasts that he could shoot somebody and they'd still support him. The 'aul lad is impressed by Guiliani's endorsement, impressed by Trump saying he'd blow those Iranian boats out of the water (thinks it'll make Iran respect America again), thinks all attempts at linking Trump to alt-right racism are "cheap shots", and hey what about Obama and Al Sharpton (??? I know, wtf?) and that other guy (I assume he means Jeremiah Wright)! He said since Trump hasn't been trained as a politician it's unfair to expect him to be able to express nuance and complexity the way the likes of Clinton do. Says there's an "air of authenticity" about him.

But ultimately, it comes down to his tough-guy approach to the jihadi problem. Basically my Dad is willing to overlook all of Trump's faults because he speaks frankly about Islamism and in contrast Obama (and by extension Hillary) is a bit of a pussy. I actually expected this from him, but didn't realize that he'd buy into all the other stuff.
 
Right and there are a lot of ABH people who longingly look at other idealistic choices like Warren, Sanders, Biden and are gnashing their teeth.
It would have been a bad move to put Biden in there, imagine him and Trump screaming at each other everyday. Sanders maybe should have ran as the independent he is but wanted the DNC cash, if Johnson can hit 12% then Sanders could easily of hit 35% and we would have a three way race right now. I have big expectations with Warren and with a better showing of Democrates in the House and Senate and Hillary in the White House she can show blue collar and ill informed republicans that people can be elected for the benefit of you're family and not to legitimize you're irrational fear.
Elizabeth Warren/Gavin Newsom 2020.
 
I think we will believe it when we see it :D
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/29/us/politics/donald-trump-debate.html
Campaign advisers to Donald J. Trump, concerned that his focus and objectives had dissolved during the first presidential debate on Monday, plan to more rigorously prepare him for his next face-off with Hillary Clinton by drilling the Republican nominee on crucial answers, facts and counterattacks, and by coaching him on ways to whack Mrs. Clinton on issues even if he is not asked about them.

Whether he is open to practicing meticulously is a major concern, however, according to some of these advisers and others close to Mr. Trump.

Even as Mr. Trump’s advisers publicly backed him on Tuesday and praised his debate performance, they were privately awash in second-guessing about why he stopped attacking Mrs. Clinton on trade and character issues and instead grew erratic, impatient and subdued as the night went on. In interviews, seven campaign aides and advisers, most of whom sought anonymity to speak candidly, expressed frustration and discouragement over their candidate’s performance Monday night.

Mr. Trump, for his part, sought to blame everything but himself. During an appearance on Fox News on Tuesday, he charged that the moderator, Lester Holt of NBC News, had become overly aggressive with him — although he inaccurately said that Mr. Holt had questioned him over a 1973 federal discrimination lawsuit against Mr. Trump’s company. (Mrs. Clinton had raised the lawsuit question.) He also suggested that his performance was related to a faulty mike — even though he was perfectly audible during the telecast — and that he may have been the victim of sabotage.
 

No, but I'd imagine there are plenty of otherwise reasonable people in America who judged the debate in a similar way. The normal rules of politics and how we judge these things just don't seem to apply.
 
Hmmm, there's something in what you're saying (both of you...)

The main thing I took from it is that Trump is pretty much correct when he boasts that he could shoot somebody and they'd still support him. The 'aul lad is impressed by Guiliani's endorsement, impressed by Trump saying he'd blow those Iranian boats out of the water (thinks it'll make Iran respect America again), thinks all attempts at linking Trump to alt-right racism are "cheap shots", and hey what about Obama and Al Sharpton (??? I know, wtf?) and that other guy (I assume he means Jeremiah Wright)! He said since Trump hasn't been trained as a politician it's unfair to expect him to be able to express nuance and complexity the way the likes of Clinton do. Says there's an "air of authenticity" about him.

But ultimately, it comes down to his tough-guy approach to the jihadi problem. Basically my Dad is willing to overlook all of Trump's faults because he speaks frankly about Islamism and in contrast Obama (and by extension Hillary) is a bit of a pussy. I actually expected this from him, but didn't realize that he'd buy into all the other stuff.

Recently someone told me that everyone sees in Trump what he/she wants. The voters just project their own ideas onto him. It sounds weird, because he is so divisive, but I think that is one perspective that helps to understand his campaign.
 
No, but I'd imagine there are plenty of otherwise reasonable people in America who judged the debate in a similar way. The normal rules of politics and how we judge these things just don't seem to apply.

Your old lad doesn't sound all that 'reasonable' to me. His politics by normal convention is pretty fringe.

But yes, I know what you mean. He's the Rosarch candidate.
 
Your old lad doesn't sound all that 'reasonable' to me. His politics by normal convention is pretty fringe.

Under normal circumstances his politics are very conventional and boring. Trump is tapping into something else that can't really be measured.
 
Under normal circumstances his politics are very conventional and boring. Trump is tapping into something else that can't really be measured.

I'd hazard a guess that it's the former Maoist in him speaking. Down with the bourgeoisie! Down with capitalism! :wenger:
 
Just talked to my 'aul lad for the first time in ages. Very intelligent guy, former Maoist, historian, engaged in Irish politics his whole life. Apparently the debate convinced him that Trump is the man for the job :(

Uphold Marxist-Leninist-Maoist-Trumpist thought.
 
Just talked to my 'aul lad for the first time in ages. Very intelligent guy, former Maoist, historian, engaged in Irish politics his whole life. Apparently the debate convinced him that Trump is the man for the job :(
Did he give examples of what convinced him? Perhaps it is Trump's dislike of non-skinny women?
 
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