2016 US Presidential Elections | Trump Wins

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Recently someone told me that everyone sees in Trump what he/she wants. The voters just project their own ideas onto him. It sounds weird, because he is so divisive, but I think that is one perspective that helps to understand his campaign.
Yup, can definitely see that. Another similarity to the Brexit vote.
 
Biden has plenty of skeletons in his closet. (1)Iraq vote, (2)falsifying college record, (3)Anita Hill trial. The moment he enter the race he'll be beaten down with them, and while his energetic working man 'I'm from Scranton' stump speech works well in small doses, it becomes boring pretty fast.

1. Hillary voted the same way
2. What is this? Is there anything official ? Looks like Obama's birth certificate nonsense
3. Trump wouldn't have gone that far in pressing this. His family has a lot more damning history concerning treatment of black people.
 
Looks decent on the Dem front for NC absentee voting

 
Recently someone told me that everyone sees in Trump what he/she wants. The voters just project their own ideas onto him. It sounds weird, because he is so divisive, but I think that is one perspective that helps to understand his campaign.

I doubt it. Everyone just seems Trump voicing opinions which they are afraid to speak.

There was an article I read recently about a retirement community in Florida that was all pro-trump, whereas the young staff working there tend to be anti-Trump. The money quote being "When it comes to Trump, Mazziotto stays quiet, too. Why? Because she says many of the old folks are racist themselves, “so they support that.” Supporting Trump is just an indirect way of voicing their own opinions which may in all likelihood get themselves branded as racists.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/workers-split-with-retirees-over-donald-trump-in-florida/
 
1. Hillary voted the same way
2. What is this? Is there anything official ? Looks like Obama's birth certificate nonsense
3. Trump wouldn't have gone that far in pressing this. His family has a lot more damning history concerning treatment of black people.

1) And she got hammered for it both times she ran, in the primaries
2) He came on C-SPAN bragging about having high IQ and 'graduated top half of his class', as well as having 'full scholarship'. He graduated 76 out of 85 and was on 50% need-based student aid. That episode plus riffing off Neil Kinnock's speech brought down his first run before voting even began in the '88 primaries.
3) Again, politically toxic in a Democratic primary.

This guy dropped out before voting began in '88 and after earning only 1% of the vote in Iowa in '08. He's a terrible campaigner full stop. Had he ran, there are two scenarios

1) He got whooped in IA and NH before dropping out, after posing a minor trouble for Clinton.
2) He got whooped by Sanders if Clinton didn't run.
 
1) And she got hammered for it both times she ran, in the primaries
2) He came on C-SPAN bragging about having high IQ and 'graduated top half of his class', as well as having 'full scholarship'. He graduated 76 out of 85 and was on 50% need-based student aid. That episode plus riffing off Neil Kinnock's speech brought down his first run before voting even began in the '88 primaries.
3) Again, politically toxic in a Democratic primary.

This guy dropped out before voting began in '88 and after earning only 1% of the vote in Iowa in '08. He's a terrible campaigner full stop. Had he ran, there are two scenarios

1) He got whooped in IA and NH before dropping out, after posing a minor trouble for Clinton.
2) He got whooped by Sanders if Clinton didn't run.

That is not the definition of falsifying a record. So according to you, him being a VP for 8 years would bear no significance whatsoever?
 
1) And she got hammered for it both times she ran, in the primaries
2) He came on C-SPAN bragging about having high IQ and 'graduated top half of his class', as well as having 'full scholarship'. He graduated 76 out of 85 and was on 50% need-based student aid. That episode plus riffing off Neil Kinnock's speech brought down his first run before voting even began in the '88 primaries.
3) Again, politically toxic in a Democratic primary.

This guy dropped out before voting began in '88 and after earning only 1% of the vote in Iowa in '08. He's a terrible campaigner full stop. Had he ran, there are two scenarios

1) He got whooped in IA and NH before dropping out, after posing a minor trouble for Clinton.
2) He got whooped by Sanders if Clinton didn't run.

TBH those aren't the attacks Bernie usually makes (except Iraq), so I'm not sue what angle he would have used.
But then again, Bernie's numbers in the Dem primary were against Clinton who is a very popular base candidate, and remained so till the end, so I'm not sure if his attacks helped his numbers much.
Basically Bernie-Biden would have been a very very different race (IMO too different to compare)

Edit: I don't know how senior or influential Biden was during NAFTA, but he was a supporter of the crime bill...so that's one attack that could be recycled.

Edit 2: Clinton would have eaten Biden for breakfast.
 
That is not the definition of falsifying a record. So according to you, him being a VP for 8 years would bear no significance whatsoever?

No. VPs have a lot of trouble running for office. The only one who succeeded in recent history was Papi Bush and it didn't end well anyway.

Leaving all that aside, the question is, what core constituency or base of support does he have to run a successful primary campaign before getting to the general and get bogged down defending every aspects of Obama's presidency without room to manoeuvre (TPP for instance)? Sanders had a lock on the progressive wing and Clinton carried the Southern black and centrist/Third Way Clintonites. He'd end his political career in a dreary hostel after finishing 3rd in the IA caucus.
 
:lol:

He didn't even get bored and go off on a tangent half way through that sentence...he got bored right at the beginning.
 
Interesting article, but they missed one nuance of general Chinese knowledge about foreign countries: taxi drivers in a small Chinese city knew about the caste system (untouchability) and oppression of women in India.
They do get some history of foreign cultures, I wonder what it leaves out though.

I've heard tales, and had personal experience from teaching Chinese students. I won't share them here, but if you're interested give me a shout.
 
Looks decent on the Dem front for NC absentee voting



So have more republicans requested ballots, but fewer successfully returned them and actually voted? The age section in particular is fascinating in that regard. Almost 7 million voters in that state, I wonder how this will relate to the final result...
 
So have more republicans requested ballots, but fewer successfully returned them and actually voted? The age section in particular is fascinating in that regard. Almost 7 million voters in that state, I wonder how this will relate to the final result...

Notably Republicans are having an enthusiasm gap from those numbers, while Dems over performing relative to '12 benchmark. Nothing to draw conclusion yet though.

Reuters poll out today, Clinton + 6 two way, +4 four way, in the field entirely before the debate.
 
Notably Republicans are having an enthusiasm gap from those numbers, while Dems over performing relative to '12 benchmark. Nothing to draw conclusion yet though.

Reuters poll out today, Clinton + 6 two way, +4 four way, in the field entirely before the debate.

How are you deducing the GOP has having an enthusiasm gap based on that chart ? If anything, it appears the Dems and GOP are even in term of ballots requested.
 
How are you deducing the GOP has having an enthusiasm gap based on that chart ? If anything, it appears the Dems and GOP are even in term of ballots requested.

Both relative to their '12 numbers.

Obama won it by 17k in 08 and lost by 100k+ in 12. It's a very close state.
 
Notably Republicans are having an enthusiasm gap from those numbers, while Dems over performing relative to '12 benchmark. Nothing to draw conclusion yet though.

Reuters poll out today, Clinton + 6 two way, +4 four way, in the field entirely before the debate.

Interesting, hasn't Reuters generally been one of the ones where she fares worse?

Taliban leaders considered Trump a "non-serious" candidate who said "anything that comes to his tongue," the spokesman said.

Poetically put...
 
Both relative to their '12 numbers.

Obama won it by 17k in 08 and lost by 100k+ in 12. It's a very close state.

I honestly don't see the relevance in comparing anything to 2012. The only numbers that are remotely meaningful here is the disparity this year among early voting ballots requested and approved between the Dems and GOP, which looks pretty even so far. That is a plus for Trump since Dems are generally strong on early voting whereas the GOP does slightly better on voting day.
 
I honestly don't see the relevance in comparing anything to 2012. The only numbers that are remotely meaningful here is the disparity this year among early voting ballots requested and approved between the Dems and GOP, which looks pretty even so far. That is a plus for Trump since Dems are generally strong on early voting whereas the GOP does slightly better on voting day.

But, from that point of view, and let me know if I'm reading those graphs wrong, is there not a massive swing since 2012 from Dems being way behind on this metric to ahead this time?
 
I honestly don't see the relevance in comparing anything to 2012. The only numbers that are remotely meaningful here is the disparity this year among early voting ballots requested and approved between the Dems and GOP, which looks pretty even so far. That is a plus for Trump since Dems are generally strong on early voting whereas the GOP does slightly better on voting day.

How is it a plus for him if he's not banking votes the way Romney did and is actually facing a deficit, however slight?

'12 number is relevant because it set a benchmark to compare whether you are doing better or worse, especially in a close state like NC.
 
How is it a plus for him if he's not banking votes the way Romney did and is actually facing a deficit, however slight?

'12 number is relevant because it set a benchmark to compare whether you are doing better or worse, especially in a close state like NC.

Again, the 2012 number is only meaningful if the Republicans this year weren't even with the Democrats this year in terms of early voting ballot request. The chart shows they are even, which is imo not a particularly big plus for the Dems.
 
Again, the 2012 number is only meaningful if the Republicans this year weren't even with the Democrats this year in terms of early voting ballot request. The chart shows they are even, which is imo not a particularly big plus for the Dems.

So it changes from 'a plus for Trump' to 'not a particularly big plus for the Dems'....

I've said it's too early to be drawing conclusions, in a state with 7m voters, but when you have one side overperforming their most recent effort and the other underperforming heavily, that bespoke a certain level of disparity on enthusiasm/organisation. Early voting historically also includes those having difficulties accessing the polls on Election Day, the disabled, the elderlys - the hard to get out votes, so if you are not banking them and time is running out, that also spells trouble.
 
Nevermind, I think i get it now. :o

Here are the 2012 early voting numbers for NC and other states. I'm assuming a rise in Dem and decline in GOP ballot requests between 2012 and 2016 will indeed work out well for the Dems when juxtaposed against the below numbers, although I'm guessing the fact that Trump is this year's populist candidate may blunt some of that.

Colorado
Votes: 1.6 million
Democrats: 35 percent
Republicans: 37 percent

Florida
Votes: 4.3 million
Democrats: 43 percent
Republicans: 40 percent

Iowa
Votes: 614,000
Democrats: 43 percent
Republicans: 32 percent

Nevada
Votes: 702,000
Democrats: 44 percent
Republicans: 37 percent

North Carolina
Votes: 2.7 million
Democrats: 48 percent
Republicans: 32 percent

Ohio
Votes: 1.6 million
Democrats: 29 percent
Republicans: 23 percent
 
Here are the 2012 early voting numbers for NC and other states. I'm assuming a rise in Dem and decline in GOP ballot requests between 2012 and 2016 will indeed work out well for the Dems when juxtaposed against the below numbers, although I'm guessing the fact that Trump is this year's populist candidate may blunt some of that.

I think it's the decline in sent-in ballots rather than requested, no? If I'm reading those graphs right, there actually was a huge increase in requested ballots from young Reps, but it hasn't followed through at all into the finalised ballots, i.e. actual votes (if that's what "accepted" means).

Edit: Ah no, I was wrong - that chart is for all voters. It seems all young people are rubbish at sending in their votes.
 
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When looking at the early voting breakdown in a given state, it's important not to just look at which party is voting early more, but how that breakdown compares to recent elections. In North Carolina, for instance, Democrats held a 21-point early voting advantage in 2008 but they barely won the state. (The GOP also made huge gains in the Tar Heel State in 2010 despite losing the early vote by 10 points.) So the name of the game for North Carolina Republicans is not winning the early vote, but rather shrinking the gap from 2008.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...all-important-early-vote-and-how-to-track-it/

I presume this is why they include the comparison.
 
More Republicans rat-jumping the rat ship...
http://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-37499678
Democratic candidate Hillary Clinton has received another endorsement from a leading Republican, two days after the first presidential debate.

On Wednesday she was endorsed by John Warner, a five-time Virginia senator.

She was also backed by the Arizona Republic newspaper, the first time it has supported a Democrat since its founding in 1890.

"Since The Arizona Republic began publication in 1890, we have never endorsed a Democrat over a Republican for president. Never. This reflects a deep philosophical appreciation for conservative ideals and Republican principles. This year is different. The 2016 Republican candidate is not conservative and he is not qualified," the editorial in the Republic, the state's largest, says.

Senator Warner represented Virginia in the Senate for five terms between 1979 and 2009. He also served as Secretary of the Navy and chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee.

Speaking alongside Tim Kaine, the Democratic vice-presidential nominee, Mr Warner said that he was "distressed" by Mr Trump's words, and that the Republican nominee does not have respect for the military.

This is the first time he has endorsed a Democrat for president.

Other Republicans to have supported Mrs Clinton include Larry Pressler, a former governor and senator from South Dakota, and former Minnesota governor Arne Carlson.

In other campaign developments:

  • Chelsea Clinton has derided Mr Trump for threatening to bring up her father's infidelities in the next debate
  • Mr Trump's campaign has said Mrs Clinton is "in panic mode" over his improved polling numbers
  • First Lady Michelle Obama has said the birther movement raised "hurtful, deceitful questions" about her husband
  • President Obama has said his legacy is on the ballot in this year's election
 
No wonder some Republicans are jumping ship. They have their reputations to think of and being associated with Trump if he loses will taint that.
 
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