2016 US Presidential Elections | Trump Wins

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Trump campaign releases statement concerning podcast that appeared on RT. If Hillary did this there would be Issa and ilk calling for immediate hearings.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/trump-camp-explanation-rt-interview

Trump Camp Claims It Was Tricked By Larry King Into Russian TV Interview

Was not but four years ago the Rep base was fully behind Romney's claim that Russia was geopolitical enemy number one. Today, due to a populist candidate, that same base has flipped 180.
 
 
Half of Trump supporters 'deplorables'

US Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton has called half of Donald Trump's supporters a "basket of deplorables".

Speaking at a fundraiser, she said they were "racist, sexist, xenophobic, Islamophobic - you name it".

She then went on to say the rest of the Republican nominee's supporters were "just desperate for change".

Mr Trump's campaign manager said Mrs Clinton had insulted "millions of Americans", with her comments.

Polls released earlier this week suggest Mr Trump is gaining on Mrs Clinton, and the rivals are neck-and-neck in the key battleground states of Ohio and Florida.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-37327156
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-37327156

As soon as I saw the headline I said 'please don't be Clinton, please don't be Clinton'. Reminiscent of Romney's '47%' speech gaffe, hopefully the fact her opponent is Trump means this won't be quite as problematic but it is a infuriatingly unnecessary thing to say.
 
Trump is polling at ~43%.
Saying nearly 25% of voting Americans are racist is pretty stupid.. even if she believes that to be true.
 
That Hillary gaffe is a seriously, seriously stupid. What is she playing at?

In other news, here is today's "huh?"
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-...eases-his-tax-returns-donald-trump-still-wont

What does this achieve, other than to make Trump look bad? I don't really get this strategy. Surely this just puts massive pressure on Trump to do the same now.

More Florida trouble... using kind of shell companies to donate more than legally allowed to a Governor candidate
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-charlie-crist-donations_us_57d36bd5e4b06a74c9f4e9e4
 
The 'gaffe' is blown out of proportion. Romney in private specifically peddled a right wing talking point decrying people as lazy leeches. Clinton's point of that a significant number of Drumpfkins are the midden heaps of society, a point that have been propagated repeatedly by major publications both with liberal/conservative lean.

But sure, it's an outrage alright.
 
Blodssvik said:
Bernie said ''together'', Hillary says divide. She said she would listen to his supporters but somehow seem to have failed to understand the fundamental ideas.
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Yeah, was pretty 'together' alright when he stood on the debate stage and said he'd invest more in mental health because Republicans need it :wenger:
 
langster said:
It's taken him a while, but he's finally started to attack Tony Schwartz, it seems he just had enough and had to hit out. He's obviously been allowed to use Twitter again.







His defence is laughable, like a child. He winds me up so much because he is so dim, anyone with even half an ounce of intelligence could destroy this fool in a debate or by asking pertinent questions at a Town Hall, yet nobody does? It's pathetic. Just look at him yet again hitting out, fair enough defending himself, but surely the President should be above stuff like this? Let's not forget how deranged and obsessed he appears and especially with stupid comments like "That's why i'm up at 1:47am" Surely he should be ripped for shit like that?

I'm not going to link all his Tweets slagging Schwartz because there are a fair few, and he even replies to a few of his supporters, one in particular ask him to rise above the attacks and to stop Tweeting back to empty headed people... Here is his response...



Seriously? And NOBODY can take this clown down? How has this moron been allowed to carry on or be taken seriously for so long? This World is depressing at times. It really is. :(
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That is a fake account.. isnt it? It isnt verified. Its Denald
 
InfiniteBoredom said:
The 'gaffe' is blown out of proportion. Romney in private specifically peddled a right wing talking point decrying people as lazy leeches. Clinton's point of that a significant number of Drumpfkins are the midden heaps of society, a point that have been propagated repeatedly by major publications both with liberal/conservative lean.

But sure, it's an outrage alright.
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She's also said it in an interview before

 
I just looked at 538: Have we already reached the threshold in polls, where we are allowed to panic (and post “ISIS endorses Trump articles” to shame anyone who doesn´t praise Clinton) or is there still time to poke fun at him and the GOP?

I thought we was dead in the water after insulting Khan. Nothing can sink him, if he can come back from this and Hillary is making mistake after mistake.
 
PedroMendez said:
I just looked at 538: Have we already reached the threshold in polls, where we are allowed to panic (and post “ISIS endorses Trump articles” to shame anyone who doesn´t praise Clinton) or is there still time to poke fun at him and the GOP?

I thought we was dead in the water after insulting Khan. Nothing can sink him, if he can come back from this and Hillary is making mistake after mistake.
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A vast majority of people who are for him don't care about what he says, so the Khan family and every subsequent drama has not made much of a dent in his support. We are today, basically where we were shortly before each convention. Its a two week stretch of kamikaze campaigning for both sides, then the debates, then the election.

What will not help Trump is that early voting starts very soon and he has a poor ground game in most states (minimal staff and get out the vote efforts compared to Hillary, who has massive organization in all the battleground states).
 
Raoul said:
A vast majority of people who are for him don't care about what he says, so the Khan family and every subsequent drama has not made much of a dent in his support. We are today, basically where we were shortly before each convention. Its a two week stretch of kamikaze campaigning for both sides, then the debates, then the election.

What will not help Trump is that early voting starts very soon and he has a poor ground game in most states (minimal staff and get out the vote efforts compared to Hillary, who has massive organization in all the battleground states).
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Exactly. Even if they were tied 50/50 in the polls, Clinton would still win because of this.
 
InfiniteBoredom said:
The 'gaffe' is blown out of proportion. Romney in private specifically peddled a right wing talking point decrying people as lazy leeches. Clinton's point of that a significant number of Drumpfkins are the midden heaps of society, a point that have been propagated repeatedly by major publications both with liberal/conservative lean.

But sure, it's an outrage alright.
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Romney had the sense to do it in a private meeting. It would be interesting to see (a little more) of Clinton's private thoughts, but servers were (mistakenly of course) smashed by interns with hammers.

And yes, it is repeating a standard leftwing talking point with a kernel of truth just as much as Romney was doing. My opponents are *phobic. Worth noting that I am a Berniebro because opposition to Clinton = sexism by definition. With Trump it might be partially true but there has been a lot of analysis about how his appeal goes beyond race-baiting.

Finally, this is politics 101. Don't insult your voters in public. School president candidates could teach her that.
 
Nobby style said:
Why would China invade Japan? Not to mention risking an all out nuclear war? China has never had safer borders, and have never (at least in modern times) done so well economically. Why on earth would they risk all this to invade Japan?

Maybe it´s time to start following the money closely from all this bogus scaremongering for defense spending.
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It's all fine when the economy is doing well, but once it isn't, and these things go in cycles so it will happen sooner or later, the communist government would need something to take people's minds from it.

What better than nationalism? The Senkaku Islands could well be the trigger for WWIII.
 
berbatrick said:
Romney had the sense to do it in a private meeting. It would be interesting to see (a little more) of Clinton's private thoughts, but servers were (mistakenly of course) smashed by interns with hammers.

And yes, it is repeating a standard leftwing talking point with a kernel of truth just as much as Romney was doing. My opponents are *phobic. Worth noting that I am a Berniebro because opposition to Clinton = sexism by definition. With Trump it might be partially true but there has been a lot of analysis about how his appeal goes beyond race-baiting.

Finally, this is politics 101. Don't insult your voters in public. School president candidates could teach her that.
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From Ubik's post, this is clearly a focus-group tested campaign talking point. I felt that way since it first broke because really, who the feck actually think in terms of 'basket of deplorable'?

Bold is exactly the point she was trying to make? And not to mention that it's not *just* a left wing talking point, more a *mainstream* talking point. Browse the traditional right wing publications like National Review or WSJ and you won't be short of editorials to the same effect.

You can make a case of it being clumsily delivered, but talking in terms of 'insulting voters' is exactly the hyperbolic nonsense the 24/7 news cycle feeds on. We both know that each candidate has a ceiling of support they can't go beyond, irrespective of the resources at their disposal.

Edit: this is how I feel, put more eloquently.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blog...of-deplorables-remark/?utm_term=.6363cb3469b3
 
Americano said:
You are saying exactly the same thing that every single person I speak to in real life is saying. The only place you don't hear outrage is from paid television newscasters and from people employed by "Correct the Record" to scrub the internet of anti-Clinton facts.
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I am so sharp! It is ludicrous yet they will still act shcoked when Trump gets ahead in the polls
 
Last night's "basket of deplorables" disaster reminded me of another pivotal event that cracked open a race. Rafael Benitez's "fachts" speech.

Trump just retweeted Obama's tweet from 2012:



#deplorables was the number one Twitter trend with over 500,000 tweets until it was removed by Twitter as a trending topic. Twitter, like many other web forums, unfairly marginalizes conservative people and their views, smearing them as racist and attacking personally with no regard for fairness or the rules. We'll see whether liberty or totalitarianism wins on November 8th. Trump supporters have rallied around Hillary's insult, creating unity and dignity out of her bigotry.

https://twitter.com/hashtag/Deplorables?src=hash

 
InfiniteBoredom said:
From Ubik's post, this is clearly a focus-group tested campaign talking point. I felt that way since it first broke because really, who the feck actually think in terms of 'basket of deplorable'?

Bold is exactly the point she was trying to make? And not to mention that it's not *just* a left wing talking point, more a *mainstream* talking point. Browse the traditional right wing publications like National Review or WSJ and you won't be short of editorials to the same effect.

You can make a case of it being clumsily delivered, but talking in terms of 'insulting voters' is exactly the hyperbolic nonsense the 24/7 news cycle feeds on. We both know that each candidate has a ceiling of support they can't go beyond, irrespective of the resources at their disposal.

Edit: this is how I feel, put more eloquently.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blog...of-deplorables-remark/?utm_term=.6363cb3469b3
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She's already apologised, so it was either off the cuff (not likely), or something her team approved, with or without a focus group (IMO a group would be unlikely to like it). So either her team is a little cut-off from the outside world, or that focus group was weird.
To me it feels like a term that was used internally by the campaign.

Also, and I'm repeating, no matter the background it was a fecking idiotic thing to say. For a better comparison than Romney 2012, we go to Adlai Stevenson's supposed remark:
A supporter once called out, "Governor Stevenson, all thinking people are for you!" And Adlai Stevenson answered, "That's not enough. I need a majority."
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berbatrick said:
She's already apologised, so it was either off the cuff (not likely), or something her team approved, with or without a focus group (IMO a group would be unlikely to like it). So either her team is a little cut-off from the outside world, or that focus group was weird.
To me it feels like a term that was used internally by the campaign.

Also, and I'm repeating, no matter the background it was a fecking idiotic thing to say. For a better comparison than Romney 2012, we go to Adlai Stevenson's supposed remark:
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I think she apologised for using the word 'half', not the overall sentiment.

My hunch is that it's a play to shore up the base, especially with young left leaning voters after spending her time in recent months courting cons. We'll have to see how it develops in terms of reporting.
 
It is just a stupid thing to use overly dismissive and divisive language. Dunno who approved it, but it was a moronic decision, that won´t help her. Whether or not the statement is true is fairly irrelevant.
 
From Russian TV Network, Not So Much Love for Donald Trump

https://theintercept.com/2016/09/09/from-russian-tv-network-little-love-for-donald-trump/

Unlike NBC’s Matt Lauer, King was not afraid to interrupt Trump to correct him.

Trump said about Iraq: “Once you go in, you gotta go out the right way, and Obama just took everybody out and it was like a shock to the system, and ultimately ISIS developed and now we have them in 26 to 28 countries and it’s a disaster.”

“The timetable was arranged by Bush for the leaving,” King corrected him.

“Well, you know what, let’s look to the future,” Trump said.

King’s last question to Trump caused the interview to end altogether.

“Let’s get something clear, because I know you a long time. On this immigration issue, what are your feelings about Mexican immigrants. What in your gut about — what do you feel about this?” King asked.

Trump offered no response, and the line went silent.

“Donald are you there?” King asked aloud.

“I don’t know what happened there, we did not lose the connection,” he told his audience.
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Grinner said:
Wait, HRC is in trouble for insulting a large group of Americans?

You do know who her opponent is, right?
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But he's a "straight talker" and she's the "perfect politician". It's an unforgivable mistake, and the usual Trump-is-worse is (as usual) not an excuse.
 
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