She just had to apologise to BLM after kicking out a demonstrator with "let's return to the issues". Not sure they'd rally behind her (or even Sanders)
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She just had to apologise to BLM after kicking out a demonstrator with "let's return to the issues". Not sure they'd rally behind her (or even Sanders)
What I mean is their activism will bring the issue to a lot of voters that would otherwise stay home. I don't think they'll officially support anyone.
Hillary delcared winner in SC. Leading 78-22 points. That is Yuuuugeee.
She's winning by Thouuusands and thouuusands of votes.
CBS projecting a 50 point win now. That can't be right.
She's building her fire WALL.
She is apparently doing better with African Americans than Obama did in 08. If that's true, Bernie doesn't stand a chance elsewhere.
Interesting Clinton is going directly after Trump in her victory speech and earlier today. Her camp must think he's going to be the nominee.
Good news for Bernie - the polls may have been way out. The bad news - they were out in his favour.
Does this shatter his voters' enthusiasm going into Tuesday, or prod them into action?
Does this shatter his voters' enthusiasm going into Tuesday, or prod them into action?
Bern could use some of that money to pay all the student loans shit I got some I'm still paying.
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It's been hovering and consolidating around that margin since 7% of the result was reported, you can live-check it by the AP live update.
It's a bit of bad news I think. Even the 538 folks, while they have been right about the outcome, have been hit and miss with their margin prediction so far. And in the general, a few percentage point is all that matters between winner and loser.
A civil-rights activist being crushed in the black vote by an ex-Goldwater supporter and one of the prime movers of the crime bill, by a similar margin as Obama crushed Romney 
Seems to be holding. It gives her a pledged delegate lead of ~45 across the 4 states, not a big problem for Bernie. The problem is the momentum and the narrative and the implications of the AA vote.
Seems to be holding. It gives her a pledged delegate lead of ~45 across the 4 states, not a big problem for Bernie. The problem is the momentum and the narrative and the implications of the AA vote.
A 30 point win is pretty humiliating. A 50 point win begs the question whether the loser should just get out of the race.
Still using this, huh.
It's a fascinating article and shows how shambolic the whole GOP campaign is. The party is fragmented almost to the point it is beyond repair. This all started with the rise of the T-Party who felt that the Republican party wasn't right wing enough and was moving too close towards the centre, or further into the realms of becoming slightly liberal. What they didn't fathom is that was because the party was moving with the times and started speaking and representing the way the country as a whole was moving. The T-Party did well in certain areas and states but on a whole it repulsed many because they were just too right wing for many in this day and age. Couple that with people like Sarah Palin who just turned off voters in droves. To many in the world she was hilarious, and to many Republicans she was a complete and utter embarrassment. Now add to that the Libertarian aspect and you can see why they are in such a mess.
That whole article shows that the party is pulling in many different directions and the reason they can't seem to rally around one candidate and nobody can unite the party is because they fundamentally disagree on so many core issues. Add all that together with the ever evolving demographics of the USA and you can see why they will struggle until they start working together. To do that the Republicans may have to evaluate what is truly important to them. Sticking by their principles and beliefs and not having a President, or moving with the times accepting the country and world is changing and that some things really are not as important as what they believe they are and start working together to appeal to the majority.
One thing that is perfectly clear and that is the infighting, open all out brawling in the debates and everywhere else is turning voters off, they may not switch party allegiance but they sure as hell aren't going to vote for the candidates representing the Republican party either. It may be time for the Republicans to realise that what is important to the few is repugnant to many. Hence why Trump did well with his comments about "not letting people die in the street" and negotiate rather than bomb, and to negotiate with Isreal and Palestine rather than completely side with Israel. With people becoming more educated and getting their information from many sources, and especially the internet, rather than just right wing news outlets and talk radio, they are more understanding of the world and can see how the world reacts and changes and also see that many things are not as they were once led to believe.
More and more people are becoming accepting or resigned to gay marriage, more are accepting the truth about climate change and can see the proof in front of their eyes, they can see the damage the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan caused, they see the economic cost and they feel the loss of loved ones. They can see Israel/Palestine is not a simple case of siding with Israel, they see the mass shootings in schools and they can see the terrorist attacks around the world etc......
There is so much more to being a Republican and Smaller/less government, tax issues, job creation, immigration, poverty and the homeless, house prices, affordable education,sensible and affordable and humane healthcare and the like is becoming far more important than owning a gun or who marries who but these issues often get overshadowed or completely ignored. It's also not so much a case of Right Wing v Left Wing or Liberals anymore and more who represents fairness, equality, opportunity and who will do more for the country as a whole. I think many Republicans are sick and tired of a lot of the shit and are simply fed up with the way they are not being represented anymore as the party, on a whole is becoming further out of touch with the modern world that they are all living in.
Although that's just my observations and I am probably just talking shite.
Yeah, a quarter of the result in now and it's at about that level still. Amazing. Utter destruction. In fairness, the level of polling for a GE, state by state, is going to be far superior to primary polling, when turnout is far more uncertain and demographic behaviour can change more fluidly.
Fair fecks to the lot, got the margin of victory spot on so far (and the GOP race too).
A civil-rights activist being crushed in the black vote by an ex-Goldwater supporter and one of the prime movers of the crime bill, by a similar margin as Obama crushed Romney
http://www.thepeoplesview.net/main/2016/2/17/when-brown-lives-did-not-matter-to-bernie
Two can play at that game you know.
People change, views change. Digging up the past purely for character smear is unhelpful. And Bernie supported that bill as well.
IIRC this is the 1st time I've said this (maybe 2nd?). And why didn't you quote the rest of the sentence? The crime bill, which even Bill has acknowledged as a mistake? I read here from Hillary supporters (can't remember who) that "Bernie voted for it". He voted against it 1st time, in the 2nd time it came as part of an omnibus bill. He gave a strong speech opposing it earlier that year.
In that context, and with the added bonus of his student activism and opposition to Bill Clinton's welfare reform, I think it's sad and in fact tragic that he hasn't got more of the black vote.
Fair enough, and he should apologise.
A civil-rights activist being crushed in the black vote by an ex-Goldwater supporter and one of the prime movers of the crime bill, by a similar margin as Obama crushed Romney
Shows how meaningless narratives from half a century ago are in the present. African Americans clearly support Hillary by a country mile.
Cant believe the reforms she supported that put so many African Americans in prison are just being brushed under the carpet...
The Republicans as a national party would be worse off with Trump as their undisputed nominee than Trump either going third party because they screwed him at the convention or the Republicans running someone as their third party candidate. Under any scenario -- Trump the undisputed nominee or Trump or some other Rep as a third party candidate -- Hill will win in November. But for the Republicans to stave off humiliation (ok, possibly too late for that!) they can't let Rep be the undisputed Republican nominee.
Trump, if allowed to walk triumphant, would destroy and bury the Republican Party.
Trump, if allowed to walk triumphant, would destroy and bury the Republican Party.
Clearly African Americans have bigger fish to fry in the election than random positions Hillary or Bernie took ages ago.
A random position that still effects their community badly to this day. I agree the Golwater claims are nonsensical. However this has far more substance. If we cant judge politicians on what they did when they where in power, what can you judge them on? Random election promise's that will be being backtracked on come the general?
If it were a big deal don't you think they would reject her instead of being overwhelmingly behind her ?
From what I've read recently, people from the area are more influenced by her past work and presence in the South among african-americans (as a lawyer, as Arkansas first lady and in the White House) than Bernie's civil rights marches in the north-east. They like him for it, but it's not enough for a vote.
Talk about running the media gauntlet. Camp Hillary going all out.
I don't like Hilary, but I'm happy that her campaigning for Goldwater as a teenager is a non-factor. She was what? 18-17? I think we can agree that judging a 68 year old with on her positions as a 17 year old can be counter productive.
This is nothing to take away from Bernie's long advocacy of civil rights of course, he should get credit for that, but even presidential nominees can have not fully formed or stupid opinions as teenagers.
This is nothing to take away from Bernie's long advocacy of civil rights of course, he should get credit for that, but even presidential nominees can have not fully formed or stupid opinions as teenagers.
Let's be honest...Hillary inherited most of this black vote from Bill. I don't have data, but I reckon amongst young educated blacks, Bernie is getting the better of her.
We all know the tough laws on crime enacted by Bill (supported by ppl like Biden) have been disastrous for them on the whole.
But this is all about perceptions...Bill was the 1st black president and most of the Black community felt he was sympathetic to their plight.
Plus...I'm sure pragmatism is playing a part.
We all know the tough laws on crime enacted by Bill (supported by ppl like Biden) have been disastrous for them on the whole.
But this is all about perceptions...Bill was the 1st black president and most of the Black community felt he was sympathetic to their plight.
Plus...I'm sure pragmatism is playing a part.
He lost 84-16 among blacks, 74-26 overall. Maybe, maybe, among educated voters the numbers are better. But I'd bet they're nowhere near parity.
And, I don't blame voters for being pragmatic. When the other side is going to choose a monster you need to make sure it doesn't go all the way. It's just that the polling doesn't give me any confidence in a Hillary-GOP fight.
And the reasons I like Sanders (foreign policy, climate change, changing the conversation about socialism) are irrelevant to everyday lives or the immediate future of most Americans.
I think she won every categories of the black vote. Those 65+ break overwhelmingly to her 95 to 3. Updated exit poll has her winning the white vote 53-47 as well. This seems to confirm the theory that she does much better with moderates and conservatives. She won them by a 3-1 margin.
Hillary today is essentially what a moderate republican used to be
Bringing up some old Barry Goldwater shit as an attack is a bit fecking desperate.
Christ, he was irrelevant when Nixon was Prez.
Christ, he was irrelevant when Nixon was Prez.
Trump vs Clinton then...
It's going to be brutally negative and whoever wins is going to be in charge of a very divided country
It's going to be brutally negative and whoever wins is going to be in charge of a very divided country
At present, Super Tuesday is on track to give Hillary 508 delegates and Sanders 357. That's on top of a 26-delegate lead she already has after SC, and a pretty big lead in a proportional system (unlike with the R race where Florida gives 99 delegates winner-takes-all), possibly insurmountable.
Not to mention that some of the other southern states are supposed to be better for Hillary demographically than SC. Bernie'll have to hope that it was local factors that gave him such a comprehensive beating here and won't spread. His lack of spending on ads there may backfire somewhat (then again, he did spend on them in SC).
Indeed, in fact, he's outspent her both in SC and generally, thus far.
I have to respectfully say that I think the spending patterns illustrate that Sanders' issue with minorities is clearly not one of informational deficit, and I really disagree with the diagnosis of NV and SC being that nobody knows who he is or what he stands for. (Cynics would suggest that his message, being less nuanced, needs less information to convince in the first place.) Something fundamental about him is either not selling, or something fundamental to Hillary is.
Agree with all that, it's also Obama related I think, I noticed a few weeks ago in polling that black voters were heavily in favour of carrying on Obama's policies, and Sanders wanting to primary him in 2012 probably hasn't gone down well.
Sunday Morning shows today - should be good since MarcoBot will no doubt continue his Trump bashing.
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