2016 US Presidential Elections | Trump Wins

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I don't see Hillary as further left than Webb. In fact I see Webb as somewhat less aligned with big money...am I mistaken about that?

Warren and Sanders are too far left to be viable nationally. They'd be like early 80's dems and look what happened there.
 
Red Dreams said:
funny you say that. for my politics...Sanders would be the perfect fit. But I know he is not a winning candidate. And it is not just being pragmatic. Webb just comes across as an honest guy. You may not always agree with the man. But you know he will have your back and he means what he says.

I hope at the least he gets the VP ticket.
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Yep, the likes of Sanders and Warren (who isn't running) are base energizers just like Cruz and Carson for the GOP. They would never get enough establishment backing to reach a gen election. The best Sanders can do is raise important issues that progressives care about, which will force Hillary to consider those positions in her platform in order to court more progressives.
 
Grinner said:
I don't see Hillary as further left than Webb. In fact I see Webb as somewhat less aligned with big money...am I mistaken about that?

Warren and Sanders are too far left to be viable nationally. They'd be like early 80's dems and look what happened there.
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He is on defense, despite being anti-interventionist, he is a Vietnam vet, former Secretary of the Navy under Reagan, and former Republican, which gives him a lot of cred among blue dog Dems.
 
Would Clinton-Webb be the oldest presidential ticket in history?

Webb only getting 8% in that Virginia Dem primary poll doesn't bode overly well for him.
 
Raoul said:
He is on defense, despite being anti-interventionist, he is a Vietnam vet, former Secretary of the Navy under Reagan, and former Republican, which gives him a lot of cred among blue dog Dems.
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exactly...he will be huge with the demographics Obama was not too big with..and he will still have the base Dem votes too. Look whoever the GOP nominates has to pander to their looney right. Their base is shrinking. They really have nowhere to go. Just look at the electrol college...It would be more difficult for a Democrat to lose than win the Presidency.
 
Ubik said:
Would Clinton-Webb be the oldest presidential ticket in history?

Webb only getting 8% in that Virginia Dem primary poll doesn't bode overly well for him.
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He obviously doesn't have a chance, but the dynamics in VA are all pro-Dem - both Senators and the current Governor, who is a long time Clinton ally, along with Webb as a VP, would almost guarantee her VA.

Conversely, she may pick Evan Bayh, who is also a long time backer and former Senator and Governor of Indiana, which is a Red state. If she picks that off from the Republicans, it will once again make it hard for them to win.
 
Red Dreams said:
I was saying this to someone else. VA is the key...The Dems win that state, its over.
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I agree more or less. They would be best off focusing on VA and another key swing state like NC or OH. Obviously, if Hillary win FL its over as well irrespective of how she fares elsewhere. This is probably the most critical Presidential election in history in that it would either reinforce the GOP hold on the Supreme Court or if she wins, it would finally get a Blue leaning majority which would allow them to tackle campaign finance once and for all.
 
Raoul said:
He obviously doesn't have a chance, but the dynamics in VA are all pro-Dem - both Senators and the current Governor, who is a long time Clinton ally, along with Webb as a VP, would almost guarantee her VA.

Conversely, she may pick Evan Bayh, who is also a long time backer and former Senator and Governor of Indiana, which is a Red state. If she picks that off from the Republicans, it will once again make it hard for them to win.
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Tim Kaine's VA as well, reckon he has a fairly decent chance. O'Malley maybe if he comes across well in the primaries and they're confident enough in their chances to not need a candidate from a battleground state (I would be). They basically just need to avoid proposing to set people on fire willy nilly to win.
 
Raoul said:
I agree more or less. They would be best off focusing on VA and another key swing state like NC or OH. Obviously, if Hillary win FL its over as well irrespective of how she fares elsewhere. This is probably the most critical Presidential election in history in that it would either reinforce the GOP hold on the Supreme Court or if she wins, it would finally get a Blue leaning majority which would allow them to tackle campaign finance once and for all.
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yes. The Supreme Court is critical. Just die already Scalia...
 
Trump is great value at the moment. The gift that keeps on giving, from the Nazi uniforms to his awful comments about Mexicans to (allegedly) being threatened on Twitter by a Mexican drug lord, all in the space of a few days. I can't see him getting the GOP nomination though, especially not after he got slammed on Twitter by Rupert Murdoch, you know things are bad when that happens.

Trump and Palin would be the dream ticket and if not, Trump and Bachmann.
 
Trump is deffo trolling at this point. On McCain:

"He's a war hero because he was captured," Trump said during an appearance at the Family Leadership Summit in Ames, Iowa, on Saturday. "I like people who weren't captured."


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Sadly I think this will end the whole Trump circus. Fox will condemn him and that's the air out of his balloon.
 
Sadly the end is near for Trump. All the GOP field except Cruz (who is probably banking on Trump giving him money at some point) are criticizing him now.
 
Hopefully his ego will make him cling on till a debate. Trump in a debate and watching the other noms squirm and try to figure out how to respond to him would be an absolute spectacle of car-crash TV.
 
Raoul said:
Its entirely appropriate that Trump is leading the Republican polls at the moment. He is throwing a lot of red meat at the base and they are responding. Shows you what the GOP is all about.
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Come on, my brother, that is just silly, and I know you know that. First off, polls at this point are heavily weighted toward name recognition which Trump has over every other republican candidate since he has a TV show, a casino, and a pageant. Lately he's on every new channel every day with his crazy need for attention. He is the Bruce Jenner of politics and that alone will bump his poll numbers. For a little while.

Second, Trump isn't even really that Republican, his views are all over the place, he has supported Democrats in the past. Most of his party his disowned him.

And last, his potential candidacy has already extinguished its own flame when he lashed out bizarrely at John McCain's war record. Now it's just a sideshow.

But the take-home message is that he (or his spike in the polls) is not a reflection of Republican ideals. It's unfair to belittle a massive group of people over some rodeo clown playing slash-and-burn politics for his own ego.
 
Americano said:
Come on, my brother, that is just silly, and I know you know that. First off, polls at this point are heavily weighted toward name recognition which Trump has over every other republican candidate since he has a TV show, a casino, and a pageant. Lately he's on every new channel every day with his crazy need for attention. He is the Bruce Jenner of politics and that alone will bump his poll numbers. For a little while.

Second, Trump isn't even really that Republican, his views are all over the place, he has supported Democrats in the past. Most of his party his disowned him.

And last, his potential candidacy has already extinguished its own flame when he lashed out bizarrely at John McCain's war record. Now it's just a sideshow.

But the take-home message is that he (or his spike in the polls) is not a reflection of Republican ideals. It's unfair to belittle a massive group of people over some rodeo clown playing slash-and-burn politics for his own ego.
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If that were true he would've also polled comparably well in 2012 when he mulled a run for Prez. He's obviously saying what he's saying with calculation because he knows it will curry favor with the anti-immigration tea party rednecks who are most vocal at this early phase. And its working. If the base rejected his views, he wouldn't be in first place at the moment. A sad state of affairs for the GOP.
 
Americano said:
And last, his potential candidacy has already extinguished its own flame when he lashed out bizarrely at John McCain's war record.
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It was a terrible thing to do however the kind of voters he's aiming for don't like McCain anyway. They think that guys like McCain are what's wrong with the GOP. Wouldn't be surprised if he actually gained some support by attacking McCain.
 
Raoul said:
If that were true he would've also polled comparably well in 2012 when he mulled a run for Prez. He's obviously saying what he's saying with calculation because he knows it will curry favor with the anti-immigration tea party rednecks who are most vocal at this early phase. And its working. If the base rejected his views, he wouldn't be in first place at the moment. A sad state of affairs for the GOP.
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I know you are not that biased. There is nothing "redneck" about opposing illegal immigration. Our own country's laws oppose that. Is the Department Of Homeland Security "redneck"? I oppose illegal immigration. Does that make me a tea party redneck?

Trump is not calculating - he called out a former POW. What military supporting American would ever tolerate that? That alone proves Trump is just a troll.

You are shaming Republicans for the behavior of an exiled fool - the party & platform are far more nuanced than that. You called it "what the GOP is all about" and to me that is just a lazy way to smear. Let's talk about a real Republican candidate who does actually represent the party (in an elected office with a voting record!), not a charlatan whose 15 minutes of fame just expired...
 
Americano said:
I know you are not that biased. There is nothing "redneck" about opposing illegal immigration. Our own country's laws oppose that. Is the Department Of Homeland Security "redneck"? I oppose illegal immigration. Does that make me a tea party redneck?

Trump is not calculating - he called out a former POW. What military supporting American would ever tolerate that? That alone proves Trump is just a troll.

You are shaming Republicans for the behavior of an exiled fool - the party & platform are far more nuanced than that. You called it "what the GOP is all about" and to me that is just a lazy way to smear. Let's talk about a real Republican candidate who does actually represent the party (in an elected office with a voting record!), not a charlatan whose 15 minutes of fame just expired...
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He's not just opposing illegal immigration, he's playing to identity conscious conservatives who don't want more immigrants in the country because they fear it will fundamentally alter the nation's identity - socio-culturally, linguistically, and politically. The legal v illegal debate is nothing more than a way to obfuscate from their true views on immigration.
 
Raoul said:
He's not just opposing illegal immigration, he's playing to identity conscious conservatives who don't want more immigrants in the country because they fear it will fundamentally alter the nation's identity - socio-culturally, linguistically, and politically. The legal v illegal debate is nothing more than a way to obfuscate from their true views on immigration.
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I will try to distill your comments on Trump into footballing terms...

It would be like a Manchester City fan saying Manchester United sucks because Bebe sucks and Bebe represents what MUFC is all about. :)
 
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