Very interesting. If he rejects it, we could see him at a new club before the World Cup
İlkay Gündoğan Transfer Thread
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) are here to discuss Amad saving our blushes in a win against Southampton as well as our now annual loss at home to Brighton. They discuss Amorim's post-match comments, revisit how mid-table we may or may not be, and discuss some transfer news.
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Very interesting. If he rejects it, we could see him at a new club before the World Cup
Interesting quotes. I do think he's sign an extension though.
Yeah, personally, I would be bummed, regardless of whether he ever ends up playing for my Barcelona (So long as he doesn't go to RM). Lot to like about his game, hopefully he renews with Dortmund and recovers fully. From there we'll see what happens because if he's as big a talent as many of us believe, he'll eventually end up on the market anyway
Gotta recover though and the recent leaks make me very pessimistic about his outlook - I hope they are inaccurate. Any German fans with much to add on his possible medical issues?
Can't see him rejecting because of that last line tbh. "And we are certainly not going to need to wait until the summer to see him reply." That to me is saying they know what he wants and it's just a matter of time before he signs.
He'd be mad to leave Dortmund given his current back issues.
So Kross and Gundogan rumours essentially put to bed in one day. We really should not have gotten our hopes up.
Hope is all we have right now to be honest.We should not get our hopes up for any damn thing, never mind Kroos and Gundogan.
It's entirely up to Ilkay and his choices, United do have a brand new medical facility at Carrington so it's not like we couldn't smartly manage his situation (plus his back problem is an inflamed nerve).
I think he could be worth the risk.
I think he could be worth the risk.
Just because a club puts a contract on the table doesn't mean the player accepts it, Kroos hasn't extended, nor has Gundogan... Manchester United offered Vidic a contract extension yet he said no and left for Inter, there are players out there who leave with 5 years left on their contract it's football.
If i'm not being wrong, Gundogan hasn't played football for more than a year?
Did we? Moyes claimed Vidic is leaving with his blessing?
There's several sources saying Vidic was offered a contract and Vidic declined, so the club said "mutual consent".
But you have to take in context though. Injured player like Gundogan will be very reluctant to sign a contract with another club when he has been out for the entire season being paid by the club and continuing at the club will give him a better chance of rehabilitation and no added pressure of clocking matches with the newly signed club. Of course, I'm just speculating.
We'll never know I suppose. I felt it was time to move him on anyway. I'd also be surprised if Gundogan or Kross opted to join United over extending their current contracts.
Depends how soon he is being to return, he could be to returning, he could have an entire summer with Uniteds medical team during the world cup, and making progress to returning, he would basically have a medical facility for himself to monitor it and see what is the best way to manage the situation.
He's been out six or seven months, I think.
He scored in the Champions League Final last May.
Kroos is leaving Bayern, he's running down his contract intentionally, even if he plays for Bayern next season, the following he will leave on a free, mark my words, I know Kroos mentality by watching him as a player since he was 19, he knows his value and he wants to try a new league, they are just playing hard-ball like United said Ronaldo can "rot in the stands" as they didn't like Real Madrids approach.
There's no major positive news with Kroos eg. "he is signing a new contract", they say "he will play next year", and they are doing this AHEAD of a clash with Manchester United in the CL a club he is hotly linked with, the news from the chairman today is just a political ploy in my opinion.
Gundogan is on a wage of around 25,000 to 35,000 per week, United can pay much more than Dortmund can offer, I can see him leaving.
Of the two scenarios, I have to say yours sounds far fetched. Plus the risk of signing a player and him not making it is there too. Sorry
With Gundogan I am thinking it's 50/50 really if he leaves or stays, Dortmund are in a good financial position now to not let players leave, but I dont think Gundogan is as loyal to Dortmund as people think, a lot of the move with Gundogan rests on his physical health.
Fair enough. I think his loyalty may increase because Dortmund has stuck with him through his injuries, but you could be right.
They can hardly terminate his contract because he's injured, and they can hardly let him leave on a free when he's potentially a world class player when he's fit.
Did we really say that about Ronaldo?! I remember the "wouldn't see them a virus" quote, just before we sold him!
Yes we did
It's his back, herniated disc, always have to be very cautious buying an expensive player with such an injury. I'd wait till he healed fully before buying.
Mata is more of a waste of talent playing deep in midfield than playing right. For a starter, he doesn't have the defensive attributes to his game, nor the physicality or pace to play there and it would also somewhat negate his effectiveness in the final third.
Playing as a central midfielder would mean he has to play with more discipline and restriction, thus subsequently he wouldn't have the same influence in the final third. He would be tasked with dictating from deep and his attacking talents would be lessened. We signed him to create, score and be one of our most imposing players further up the pitch. The least we need to do now is play another player out of position.
Simply a terrible idea.
He needs to be central, and this is a problem that will be addressed in the summer, the problem is when Rooney and RVP are fit he needs to play in a position he's capable of playing in.
A better solution to this problem would be to drop van Persie or Rooney for the good of the team. We can all see, we are a far more balanced and fluid side with Mata behind the forward opposed to Rooney. Playing Mata in central midfield would simply create more issues that we could do without.
And it isn't essential for Mata to play centrally. Under the right system he can still excel wide. A lot of Mata's struggles since joining have been systematic, not individually, and that is the main issue that needs to be addressed first and foremost.
Yes we can all see it, and the balance of the team is much better, but the fact is I don't see Moyes ever doing it, Rooney won't play on the left, so Mata gets nudged out the the right.
I don't really know fully why it hasn't worked at times, because Rooney makes very intelligent runs in behind, he's more mobile than van Persie is, but van Persie is a better player at creating that half a yard to get a shot away, Moyes could opt to play a diamond, or one holding midfield player, but then we suffer slightly defensively.
Yes dropping one could be the best thing for the team, but hopefully this injury to RvP makes Moyes understand the balance of the team more.
No real team in Europe plays with two strikers these days, because you dominate by the midfield.
I wonder how Mata would play further deep in CM (AMC) in a 3 men CM. I have a feeling he would do well there especially if partnered by Carrick and Carvalho
That's what I'm saying above but Glanville disagrees, I'm saying he doesn't need to tackle just mark space, but we have players like Pereira in the youth academy you should look at, who is capable of that box to box role.
Honestly I can see him slotting there magnificently. He's a brilliant player with great vision and technique. He's not bulky which mean we would probably have to play 2 defensive minded players with him but he knows how to tackle and he doesn't shy away from sharing the work load.
If you ask me, he's more of a CM was then Paul Scholes was when he was moved there (first year). I love PS but at that time the guy couldn't tackle to save his life and his only concern was to infiltrate behind the opponents defense and score goals.
I was going to ask how you know that, but I spotted it is your tagline so it must be true.
I don't mean I know it as in "I am a mind reader" but I mean it as in, I can understand his mentality, by what he says to the press, and how he acts by his body language from a psychological perspective.
Plus it's obvious for me when a player is wanting to leave a football club, this isn't a general case of a trying to get a better deal, this has all the indications of a player wanting to leave at the end of his contract, players leave to try different leagues or find new scenery to play their football, things get stale and you only have a limited playing career, football careers are fairly short, a Mod added the tag in my list as they love to tag people but I do understand where he comes from as a player wanting to try a different league.
I don't see Kroos at Bayern in the summer, or at the end of this current contract, just as I don't see Gundogan at Dortmund, might not be Manchester United, but I think they are both looking to depart from the Bundesliga.
Scholes was a good tackler, it's actually a myth about Scholes that he couldn't tackle, Keane was asked once if he meant his tackles and he said "yes", he only did it to leave a mark on players, when he was on a yellow he didn't get booked again in that game, he was a good tackler, but because he had this whole "oh he can do everything but tackle" association with him, referees were slightly more lenient with him, it worked in his favour.
Personally I think he's having a staring contest with Bayern and Bayern will blink first. But we will see. I'd love it if we did sign him, although that almost goes without saying.
Lets agree to disagree with this. In my opinion Scholes was always weak in tackling especially in his early years at first team level. They guy was groomed to be a striker so I doubt that he was trained in the beginning to be a tackler.
Surely this is on now that Barcelona are out of the picture? 
On like donkey kong. Gundogan, Kroos and Carvalho in the summer.Surely this is on now that Barcelona are out of the picture?
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