İlkay Gündoğan Transfer Thread

[FCBarca]

I've read nothing in the local Barcelona papers that he's passed a medical, just that Pruna (A Barcelona doctor) evaluated him. There's precious little on Ilkay's condition that I've read but today's MD claims he's even had bouts of paralysis stemming from the back problem which means there are spinal issues involved as well. Can't imagine too many clubs will take a risk on a player with that sort of condition because the outcome is all but clear

Would be an ideal player to acquire but would come with a major caveat emptor label

 

[malappapper]

I've read nothing in the local Barcelona papers that he's passed a medical, just that Pruna (A Barcelona doctor) evaluated him. There's precious little on Ilkay's condition that I've read but today's MD claims he's even had bouts of paralysis stemming from the back problem which means there are spinal issues involved as well. Can't imagine too many clubs will take a risk on a player with that sort of condition because the outcome is all but clear

Would be an ideal player to acquire but would come with a major caveat emptor label

If any of that is even remotely true, his fate is more or less sealed...

 

[Balu]

Whatever his injury is, leaving Dortmund in the summer would be stupid imo. Perfect club for him to recover, he should just extend his contract for 2 or 3 years and look to get fit again. For Dortmund it's definitely a risk worth taking, for Gündogan saving his career should right now be way more important than a career move abroad.

 

[sun_tzu]

Whatever his injury is, leaving Dortmund in the summer would be stupid imo. Perfect club for him to recover, he should just extend his contract for 2 or 3 years and look to get fit again. For Dortmund it's definitely a risk worth taking, for Gündogan saving his career should right now be way more important than a career move abroad.

if I were in his position I think if I stayed at dortmund for another year it would be to run my contract down like lewendowski before looking for a £10 million signing on fee and wages of £150K in the summer of 2015 - there is no way I would sign a contract at Dortmund as all of a sudden any transfer fee would go to tham rather than to me - I know some footballers are thick - but not that thick

 

[Balu]

if I were in his position I think if I stayed at dortmund for another year it would be to run my contract down like lewendowski before looking for a £10 million signing on fee and wages of £150K in the summer of 2015 - there is no way I would sign a contract at Dortmund as all of a sudden any transfer fee would go to tham rather than to me - I know some footballers are thick - but not that thick

Dortmund might loose interest in giving him time to recover if they loose him on a free at the end of the season though? Why should they invest time in him? Most likely he needs a few months of playing time to get back to his best. If Dortmund gets 2-3 more years out of him, they could take the risk. If he doesn't extend, Dortmund needs to buy a longterm replacement anyway, no need to waste time on him then.

 

[Bestie07]

if I were in his position I think if I stayed at dortmund for another year it would be to run my contract down like lewendowski before looking for a £10 million signing on fee and wages of £150K in the summer of 2015 - there is no way I would sign a contract at Dortmund as all of a sudden any transfer fee would go to tham rather than to me - I know some footballers are thick - but not that thick

We don't know what the situation with his injury is, but if the reports are true then his best bet is to sign a contract extension with Dortmund and recover from injury and make a comeback in an environment he is familiar with. Sure, he may miss out on a few million, but if a move elsewhere doesn't work out then his entire career may suffer. Dortmund won't be as accommodating to him next year when he is making a comeback from injury if he has not signed a new deal. In the final year of his contract and not getting game time after a season out with injury, I'm not sure he'll get the big money offers that you expect him to get. What if he gets another injury? Or a recurrence of this one as seems probable? If he gets a move this summer then it's fine, but waiting for his contract to expire may be a bit risky from his perspective.

 

[RedRover]

Whatever his injury is, leaving Dortmund in the summer would be stupid imo. Perfect club for him to recover, he should just extend his contract for 2 or 3 years and look to get fit again. For Dortmund it's definitely a risk worth taking, for Gündogan saving his career should right now be way more important than a career move abroad.

Easy for you to say. The reality is he may not have as long a career as he would l;ike given injury issues and therefore its fair to assume he a) needs to move on to other leagues/clubs if that's what he wants to do, and b) secure his financial future. A transfer may be too good to turn down.

Staying where he is assumes that he can get back to where he needs to be fitness wise. He may not, then a big move never happens.

 

[sun_tzu]

Dortmund might loose interest in giving him time to recover if they loose him on a free at the end of the season though? Why should they invest time in him? Most likely he needs a few months of playing time to get back to his best. If Dortmund gets 2-3 more years out of him, they could take the risk. If he doesn't extend, Dortmund needs to buy a longterm replacement anyway, no need to waste time on him then.

then he will go this summer

he currently earns aprox 1.5m euros at dortmund which is around £1.275m a year or 25K a week - even if bayern tripple his wages like they did with lewendowski it wont be enough

He would probably command more like 150k a week at united or elsewhere

I cant see him turning down £11.7 million over the next 3 years (Plus probably a big signing fee)

He might do a lewendowski and give them a season - but he would be stupid to give them three

desperate clubs (us) would pay him top wages now and if he passed a medical (which he would have to) then we would no doubt insure him as much as we coould

 

[Balu]

Well yeah, if he believes making as much money as possible in the next two years is more important than staying in the perfect environment to get back to his best, then of course he needs to move. I'm sure Dortmund would give him a raise, if he extends his contract, it won't be as much as he can earn at the top clubs in Europe though. But there's no way that clubs like Real, Barca or even United in their situation right now, will have as much patience with him as Dortmund would. There's way more pressure, the press will criticise him heavily when there are setbacks. He needs to get fit again while also learning a new language, adapting to a new league, new coaches, a different style. Of course it could work, but I believe it's a high risk to take and could cost him a lot longterm. His spot in the german nationalteam is in danger as well.

Staying where he is assumes that he can get back to where he needs to be fitness wise. He may not, then a big move never happens.

I he never regains his fitness, I doubt that he'll enjoy his big move anyway.

 

[RedRover]

Well yeah, if he believes making as much money as possible in the next two years is more important than staying in the perfect environment to get back to his best, then of course he needs to move. I'm sure Dortmund would give him a raise, if he extends his contract, it won't be as much as he can earn at the top clubs in Europe though. But there's no way that clubs like Real, Barca or even United in their situation right now, will have as much patience with him as Dortmund would. There's way more pressure, the press will criticise him heavily when there are setbacks. He needs to get fit again while also learning a new language, adapting to a new league, new coaches, a different style. Of course it could work, but I believe it's a high risk to take and could cost him a lot longterm. His spot in the german nationalteam is in danger as well.


I he never regains his fitness, I doubt that he'll enjoy his big move anyway.

He might not enjoy it, but he'll still have a big fat contract and money in the bank in which to enjoy his reitrement.

 

[Anderson18]

Well yeah, if he believes making as much money as possible in the next two years is more important than staying in the perfect environment to get back to his best, then of course he needs to move. I'm sure Dortmund would give him a raise, if he extends his contract, it won't be as much as he can earn at the top clubs in Europe though. But there's no way that clubs like Real, Barca or even United in their situation right now, will have as much patience with him as Dortmund would. There's way more pressure, the press will criticise him heavily when there are setbacks. He needs to get fit again while also learning a new language, adapting to a new league, new coaches, a different style. Of course it could work, but I believe it's a high risk to take and could cost him a lot longterm. His spot in the german nationalteam is in danger as well.


I he never regains his fitness, I doubt that he'll enjoy his big move anyway.

Look at Hargreaves. For him personally, switching to United was probably the best thing he could do. One great season and then having the financial security for the rest of his life. It's a hard choice for Gündogan, but if I'm his agent I'd strongly advise him to move now. Nobody knows how good he'll be after this injury. Many great footballers never returned from such a big injury. He is now out for half a year and it doesn't look like he'll be back before August/September, which is one year. If he stays at Dortmund, he has the perfect enviroment to regain his old form, but what if he never regains that form he'll have lost so much money in the process. This isn't about about 10-20k per week more, but many millions lost in the process. Dortmund is paying Lewandowski now 5m€ per year according to German press, I can't see Dortmund paying Gündogan more than that. At a top EPL club he'll get probably 150k per week, which is 9-10m€ per year, so nearly double of my estimated highest Gündogan salary.

Tough decision for him and either way you can see the good reasons for either decision.

 

[kouroux]

Gundogan is a top player, and if he signs a contact to extend it's not the end of the world, we could use Mata as a box to box player, or even the likes of Pereira coming through the academy.

Ideally if Gundogan was available you'd want him, and I hope it still happens.

A lot is down to Gundogan himself if he wants to stay or leave, but Dortmund are doing well financially so for Dortmund fans you hope he stays, for Premier League fans, you hope he comes to Manchester United and England but he needs to do whats best for his career and himself.

Problem is we need some well needed pace to the midfield and someone that can tackle and do everything, players like Carvalho can't really do box to box, the only two big players right now who can do that are probably Gundogan and Vidal, Vidal is completely out of the question so then it's either Pereira in the youth academy being pushed to the first team, or a nice bid for Gundogan to pry him away from Dortmund.

wtf ? Mata a box to box player ?

 

[Sphaero]

Easy for you to say. The reality is he may not have as long a career as he would l;ike given injury issues and therefore its fair to assume he a) needs to move on to other leagues/clubs if that's what he wants to do, and b) secure his financial future. A transfer may be too good to turn down.

Staying where to is assumes that he can get back to where he needs to be fitness wise. He may not, then a big move never happens.

First off, I somehow doubt that even European elite clubs will be ready to pay annually around 10 Mil. € for a player who has not kicked against a ball for eight months, may never return to his former level and would probably not even pass a medical right now.

Securing his financial future sounds like he would be paid peanuts at Dortmund. He would be getting less than at other clubs (probably between 4-5 Mil €), but it would still be enough to have a very comfortable life after his career. If that would not be enough for him and wants to get as much money as possible out of his career he will move this summer to a different country, league and system to get that.

He won´t run his contract down, though, because I think he is smarter than that. He was a nonfactor in this season and would continue to be so in the next season, because he would not see much first team football. In difference to Lewandowski, who was in top shape, a key player and could actually earn Dortmund the money they would have gotten as transfer fee (he has already done that), Gündogan´s arguments would be far less convincing. And after two seasons of little to no quality play time I also don´t see the big clubs lining up to snatch him in 2015.

 

[TheNewEra]

wtf ? Mata a box to box player ?

Only reason I say that is because he isn't useful out on the right, it's one of the possible only ways we could get him in a preferred role, with atleast filling in at the box marking space, doesn't mean flying into tackles, but in the big games, he has to track back.

Ideally Gundogan is the player you would want box to box, but who knows if we're even going to attempt to sign him, then there's Pereira in the youth academy I'm sure it capable of that role.

 

[kouroux]

Only reason I say that is because he isn't useful out on the right, it's one of the possible only ways we could get him in a preferred role, with atleast filling in at the box marking space, doesn't mean flying into tackles, but in the big games, he has to track back.

Ideally Gundogan is the player you would want box to box, but who knows if we're even going to attempt to sign him, then there's Pereira in the youth academy I'm sure it capable of that role.

Which is exactly why Mourinho didn't wanna play because he didn't trust enough the defensive game of Mata and that was Mata playing in a advanced position. As a real CM he'd be truly lost.

 

[TheNewEra]

Which is exactly why Mourinho didn't wanna play because he didn't trust enough the defensive game of Mata and that was Mata playing in a advanced position. As a real CM he'd be truly lost.

Well he has to adapt his game, he's 25, if he wants a central role it comes with the responsibility of tracking back

 

[Moriarty]

Well he has to adapt his game, he's 25, if he wants a central role it comes with the responsibility of tracking back

Best play him wide then.

 

[TheNewEra]

Best play him wide then.

then he's a complete waste of talent, Mata was an unnecessary buy really I would love to see what the plan is of the rebuilding process, because either Mata is going to be an inverted winger or it's going to mean Rooney or van Persie being dropped, or he tracks back.

 

[kouroux]

then he's a complete waste of talent, Mata was an unnecessary buy really I would love to see what the plan is of the rebuilding process, because either Mata is going to be an inverted winger or it's going to mean Rooney or van Persie being dropped, or he tracks back.

That's what I thought when we bought, he felt "unnecessary" but still RVP felt like that at first and I thought maybe Mata is going to surprise me but he hasn't at all so far. A lot of our fans were happy with his signature and rightly so but when you took into account the team's form, the manager, him not performing well hasn't been a surprise really.
I honestly wonder if he doesn't regret having joined Man Utd, his chances of trophies are none and his chances to going to the WC are close to none.

 

[Moriarty]

then he's a complete waste of talent, Mata was an unnecessary buy really I would love to see what the plan is of the rebuilding process, because either Mata is going to be an inverted winger or it's going to mean Rooney or van Persie being dropped, or he tracks back.

I agree with you. Square pegs and round holes etc. Anyway, I thought he was a club buy with the specifics carried out by Fergie and Gill. I guess had Moyes showed up trying to convince the lad, he'd have pissed off pronto back to sunny Espana.

 

[Reapersoul20]

Best play him wide then.

 

[Red Hand Devil]

Best play him wide then.

then he's a complete waste of talent, Mata was an unnecessary buy really I would love to see what the plan is of the rebuilding process, because either Mata is going to be an inverted winger or it's going to mean Rooney or van Persie being dropped, or he tracks back.

My sentiments aswell Reaper

You cant beat the subtle humour on here, which sometimes seems to fly over heads at the best of times...

 

[TheNewEra]

My sentiments aswell Reaper

You cant beat the subtle humour on here, which sometimes seems to fly over heads at the best of times...

I Know he was being sarcastic but I'm not here to joke around, especially given the the way this season has gone

 

[Reapersoul20]

My sentiments aswell Reaper

You cant beat the subtle humour on here, which sometimes seems to fly over heads at the best of times...

In fairness it has gone over my head a few times as well .

I remember when Beckham came back to OT with Milan I started a thread lambasting the pricks who had the gall to boo him .

 

[Revan]

It would be such a shame if this player has to end his career early because of back injuries. It will be even worse than Sebastian Daisler case (when he retired at the age of 27).

 

[Red Hand Devil]

I Know he was being sarcastic but I'm not here to joke around, especially given the the way this season has gone

Yeah sure you did

You're not here to joke around - thats something that Serious Cat would say!

Jesus man - laughter is the best medicine.. Its been one big disappointing season, but dont let it consume you either!

 

[Red Hand Devil]

In fairness it has gone over my head a few times as well .

I remember when Beckham came back to OT with Milan I started a thread lambasting the pricks who had the gall to boo him .

I include myself in that category aswell man

I must look up that thread. Jesus man, the shame. You let the Country down with that shizzle. Funny as feck

 

[Red Hand Devil]

It would be such a shame if this player has to end his career early because of back injuries. It will be even worse than Sebastian Daisler case (when he retired at the age of 27).

Van Basten retiring at 28 yrs old still leaves a bad taste in mouths. He was out injured before he called it a day too, so he could have been around the 26 yrs old mark when he last kicked a ball in anger.. Such a shame

 

[Revan]

Van Basten retiring at 28 yrs old still leaves a bad taste in mouths. He was out injured before he called it a day too, so he could have been around the 26 yrs old mark when he last kicked a ball in anger.. Such a shame

I was a baby at that time, so don't remember it. Searching though, apparently he played his last game when he was 28 but retired two years later.

Despite that, he is remembered as one of the best central strikers of all time. Imagine what would would have happened if he didn't retire as early. His legacy would have been even more stronger.

 

[Red Hand Devil]

I was a baby at that time, so don't remember it. Searching though, apparently he played his last game when he was 28 but retired two years later.

Despite that, he is remembered as one of the best central strikers of all time. Imagine what would would have happened if he didn't retire as early. His legacy would have been even more stronger.

Ah right, it seems like he was much younger than 28 at the time. Still a cryin shame, one of the best - if not the best, Strikers of his generation. It was a joy to watch those Ajax, Milan & Dutch teams with Marco spear-heading it.

Lookin at his record at Ajax, he scored 128 goals in 133 games & that was when the Eredivisie was a top league, so thats something else. Although, he must have been troubled by injuries even back then, as thats a very low total for the 7 years he played for them, he was their main man for 6 of those years too. Then at Milan he played 147 games, scoring 90 goals from 1987 - 1995.

Total career games of 290 with 218 goals scored during 14 years; 1981 - 1995, is very low & yet he's still hailed as one of the best Strikers the game has ever seen. Absolute legend & it was a very dark day for all football fans worldwide when he had to pack it all in..

Sorry for going off-topic btw. I was just briefly reflecting on an all-time football great...

 

[FCBarca]

If any of that is even remotely true, his fate is more or less sealed...

Further update/leak from MD today claim it's a herniated disc that has primarily sidelined the player since August 2013 and that while he's the club's primary candidate to reinforce the midfield they will not assume any risks with a player who has yet to play or recover. Sounds like, for Barcelona anyway, they will not make any move until next season, wrt to the player, and only after/if he fully recovers. Which, atm, makes him more than likely Dortmund property for the foreseeable future but could be career threatening (Although that's not suggested in the article)

On a side note, Ilkay & Dortmund, first time I've read anything specific wrt to his condition and a leak of a herniated disc with bouts of paralysis will undoubtedly fuel more questions in the media

 

[malappapper]

Further update/leak from MD today claim it's a herniated disc that has primarily sidelined the player since August 2013 and that while he's the club's primary candidate to reinforce the midfield they will not assume any risks with a player who has yet to play or recover. Sounds like, for Barcelona anyway, they will not make any move until next season, wrt to the player, and only after/if he fully recovers. Which, atm, makes him more than likely Dortmund property for the foreseeable future but could be career threatening (Although that's not suggested in the article)

On a side note, Ilkay & Dortmund, first time I've read anything specific wrt to his condition and a leak of a herniated disc with bouts of paralysis will undoubtedly fuel more questions in the media

That is a massive shame for the guy, who is a very promising prospect.

What do you think are the chances of Barca going after Vidal?

 

[FCBarca]

That is a massive shame for the guy, who is a very promising prospect.

What do you think are the chances of Barca going after Vidal?

Bummed for the player and of course the possibility of signing him, I'm a bit pessimistic on his outlook but I hope he comes through it and plays again

Vidal will be too expensive considering the needs the team has, IMO. If the capital club get involved, that fee will skyrocket as well

 

[malappapper]

Bummed for the player and of course the possibility of signing him, I'm a bit pessimistic on his outlook but I hope he comes through it and plays again

Vidal will be too expensive considering the needs the team has, IMO. If the capital club get involved, that fee will skyrocket as well

Correct me if am wrong, but did not Bartomeu state that Barca can spend up to 120m euros this summer if need be? That would be enough for Vidal, and that lond-awaited and much required shore up of the back line. Consider also that a couple of players may very well be sold, with Alves and Alexis being the prime candidates.

 

[FCBarca]

Correct me if am wrong, but did not Bartomeu state that Barca can spend up to 120m euros this summer if need be? That would be enough for Vidal, and that lond-awaited and much required shore up of the back line. Consider also that a couple of players may very well be sold, with Alves and Alexis being the prime candidates.

Bartomeu is apparently no less an idiot than Rosell (Same board), advertising what your transfer budget is. No idea what the point of that was but I can't remember a time they spent that much in one window

There will be exits though

 

[matherto]

I'd think that the Spanish authorities would be seriously interested in where Barça get €120 million to play with given the debt and also the dodginess of the Neymar transfer.

 

[Lu Tze]

I'd think that the Spanish authorities would be seriously interested in where Barça get €120 million to play with given the debt and also the dodginess of the Neymar transfer.

Hey, it's just exceedingly creative accounting.

 

[Count Orduck]

Further update/leak from MD today claim it's a herniated disc that has primarily sidelined the player since August 2013 and that while he's the club's primary candidate to reinforce the midfield they will not assume any risks with a player who has yet to play or recover. Sounds like, for Barcelona anyway, they will not make any move until next season, wrt to the player, and only after/if he fully recovers. Which, atm, makes him more than likely Dortmund property for the foreseeable future but could be career threatening (Although that's not suggested in the article)

On a side note, Ilkay & Dortmund, first time I've read anything specific wrt to his condition and a leak of a herniated disc with bouts of paralysis will undoubtedly fuel more questions in the media

Stop it.

 

[Summit]

http://www1.skysports.com/transfer/...undogan-offered-new-deal-by-borussia-dortmund

"We have submitted a contract offer to Ilkay Gundogan and we are expecting to hear from him about it.

"And we are certainly not going to need to wait until the summer to see him reply."

 

[JaapStam1986]

I've read nothing in the local Barcelona papers that he's passed a medical, just that Pruna (A Barcelona doctor) evaluated him. There's precious little on Ilkay's condition that I've read but today's MD claims he's even had bouts of paralysis stemming from the back problem which means there are spinal issues involved as well. Can't imagine too many clubs will take a risk on a player with that sort of condition because the outcome is all but clear

Would be an ideal player to acquire but would come with a major caveat emptor label

It would be a waste of fantastic talent if this issue robs Ilkay of a few years of his career. He is brilliant to watch and it would be a big miss to the game should he have to take a few years out or even, heaven forbid, retire because of it.