İlkay Gündoğan Transfer Thread

[anchan1989]

Anything to do with Bayern handing their asses to them twice annually without fail?

Yes, in parts. Dortmund controlled them also in their group games in 2012.
Its my pov of the German opinion of course. But City were not that praised and talked about the last years in the papers and so on like PL champions the years before them I feel.
Maybe the superclub status is so young that many have doubts about the future.

 

[RedSky]

That's what I thought as well, but Gündogan denied those quotes today. He never gave an interview to the English media and the only explanation he has for those false statements is a wrong translation from an interview he gave to a Turkish newspaper.

Ah, pesky media. I retract my statement Gundogan.

 

[Balu]

Ah, pesky media. I retract my statement Gundogan.

There's a good chance, he's still a douche bag. Dortmund should have offered him at least a 2 year extension or none at all, it's so easy now for Gündogan to exploit the situation.

 

[Joemo]

What a douche bag, has a long term injury, Dortmund stick with and support him through it and then as soon as he recovers fitness he's trying to talk himself up in the media for a move.

I know the quotes have been denied, but this sounds like Sagna. I was amazed at the reception that Sagna got from the Arsenal fans when he left. They stuck by him through two leg breaks and he mouthed off about leaving if they didn't win a trophy, then left on a free to a big club in the same division!

 

[Devil may care]

It reduces the options but no point buying players who can’t get themselves on the pitch and there are plenty of other good or potentially players out there. Vidal I think has to be ruled out because of his knee, I don’t see Gundogan as a viable option until summer 2016 and same could possibly be said of Strootman.

Gundogan has only played a handful of games this season and at best by the end of the summer he will have played six months worth of football in 2 years, if he could be bought for £10m it’s worth a punt but Dortmund will want more than double that so it would be a massive risk to sign him. It’s a similar story to Falcao you are expected to pay the fee and wages the player was worth prior to the injury but there is no guarantee they are that player anymore, so you either take a massive risk or move on to someone else.

I do think the Vidal ship has sailed, it was this summer or never, but waiting another 18 months on Strootman and Gundogan is excessive IMO. If both are playing at or close to the level they were after the next 6 months I think they'd be worth the shot, I mean by that point there'd be no reason to suspect they weren't fully healed.

 

[Roboc7]

I do think the Vidal ship has sailed, it was this summer or never, but waiting another 18 months on Strootman and Gundogan is excessive IMO. If both are playing at or close to the level they were after the next 6 months I think they'd be worth the shot, I mean by that point there'd be no reason to suspect they weren't fully healed.

Strootman maybe but for gundogan it would be too early, you can't sign someone who has spent the majority of the last two seasons injured.

 

[Devil may care]

Strootman maybe but for gundogan it would be too early, you can't sign someone who has spent the majority of the last two seasons injured.

He has only missed one season, he was out 14 months, that is just over a year so he missed all of the 2013/14 season but played 45 games the season before that and has played 6 this season.

 

[Rykker_4united]

I wouldn't sign Gundogan at this point but he is a phenomenal player. His injury problem is too large to be gambled on.

 

[Trizy]

Some of the disrespectful comments towards the player on here are ridiculous, when Dortmund were at the peak of their powers here was Gundogan (22 at the time) one of the best midfielders in the game. If he was that good that young why can't he reach those height again? He's only turned 24 last month, at least give him time to recover before writing him off.

If he proves his rare but serious injury is a thing of the past we should do everything in our powers to try land him.

 

[Speak]

What a douche bag, has a long term injury, Dortmund stick with and support him through it and then as soon as he recovers fitness he's trying to talk himself up in the media for a move.

How exactly did they stick with and support him through it? By not releasing him? You're making it sound as if he owes them a lot.

 

[Sied]

I do think the Vidal ship has sailed, it was this summer or never, but waiting another 18 months on Strootman and Gundogan is excessive IMO. If both are playing at or close to the level they were after the next 6 months I think they'd be worth the shot, I mean by that point there'd be no reason to suspect they weren't fully healed.

What makes you think that?

If anything Juve are looking more and more inclined to sell and Vidal more open to a move. The only problem now is he's not playing very well since the WC.

 

[Sied]

How exactly did they stick with and support him through it? By not releasing him? You're making it sound as if he owes them.

Paying for his surgery, rehab, private med care, etc. I guess he means. Not that any club would refuse their player that, but you would expect some sort of loyalty afterwards.

 

[Roboc7]

He has only missed one season, he was out 14 months, that is just over a year so he missed all of the 2013/14 season but played 45 games the season before that and has played 6 this season.

That's not what I said, even if he stays fit until the summer he will only have played 6 months worth of football in two years, for a team crippled with injuries adding another player with that sort of record doesn't make sense however good he is. 6 months isn't enough to prove he has recovered fully so he shouldn't be considered unless it's a cut price deal or based heavily on incentives but Dortmund aren't going to agree to that so it should be 18 months from now before anyone thinks about signing him.

 

[Annihilate Now!]

Lets be honest, whoever we sign... be it Gundogen, Vida, Strootman, or even Jesus Christ himself... they will undoubtedly suffer from countless injuries after they arrive it.

Thus shalt be thy way.

 

[Sir A1ex]

If anything Juve are looking more and more inclined to sell and Vidal more open to a move.

Cool... when does his thread re-open?

I'm going to camp out overnight to be first in the queue to post!

 

[Pexbo]

Lets be honest, whoever we sign... be it Gundogen, Vida, Strootman, or even Jesus Christ himself... they will undoubtedly suffer from countless injuries after they arrive it.

Thus shalt be thy way.

To be fair to them, all four already suffered career threatening injuries and to date it's only Jesus Christ who managed to successfully resurect it back to a position you could say was better than before.

 

[Melvyn]

Not sure if signing a player with known injury issues is a good move for a club that has clearly been cursed by a Ghanian witchdoctor to suffer constant injuries.

 

[Sied]

Cool... when does his thread re-open?

I'm going to camp out overnight to be first in the queue to post!

I think @Pexbo deserves to be the one to make that thread!

 

[Stretch]

To be fair to them, all four already suffered career threatening injuries and to date it's only Jesus Christ who managed to successfully resurect it back to a position you could say was better than before.

 

[Sied]

What a douche bag, has a long term injury, Dortmund stick with and support him through it and then as soon as he recovers fitness he's trying to talk himself up in the media for a move.

Just stumbled across a Facebook post by him about that Turkish interview that was manipulated:
https://www.facebook.com/IlkayGuendogan?fref=ts

According to this website this is the translation
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/manchester...sists-his-focus-100-borussia-dortmund-1476603

"I have been following the media with great astonishment, including my ALLEGED statements,"Gundogan wrote via his Facebook page.

"First of all I would like to stress that my statements that have been used are only extracts from a one-hour-long interview and they have furthermore been cited incorrectly.

"As a result I would to make an exception and take a stand on these rumours, simply for clarification.

"I gave this one-hour interview to Turkish TV channel TRT1. In this interview we have a wide variety of topics – from my childhood, my family, my career at different stages, the rivalry between Dortmund and Schalke, the atmosphere at Signal Iduna Park, Jurgen Klopp, the German national team, my successful time at BVB, the Champions League final and my injury.

"Under these subjects, I was asked if it was known that almost all of Europe's top clubs had studied my before my injury especially after the Champions League final, with Real Madrid among them. This was followed by the question of why a transfer had not yet happened.

"My answer to this question was clear: there were always requests from different clubs here and there. But it was never an issue for me to go as I have still have goals with Dortmund. And besides, I replied, I have an ongoing contract with Dortmund and the board have not made any indications with regard to selling me.

"I was then asked if moving abroad could be something I would think about.

"Again, my answer was clear.

"If I was to concern myself one day with the topic of moving abroad, then there wouldn't be many clubs that would come into question. At present, it could be England or Spain sometime in my career."

"From these quotes, the current reports are made by taking only excerpts, and these were also misquoted.

"I would like to ask you to ignore these reports. My focus is 100% on Dortmund."

Interesting that he confirms 'requests' from abroad. I'd be surprised if we weren't one of those clubs sniffing around him before his injury. The media seem convinced that Real and Barca were too.

 

[Bwuk]

How did he play vs Arsenal anyone? Was too busy watching the scouse calamity show.

 

[Invictus]

How did he play vs Arsenal anyone? Was too busy watching the scouse calamity show.

Him and Schmelzer were Dortmund's best players IMO. Controlled the midfield at times and seems to be recovering well from the long layoff.

 

[hundred_trillion]

Him and Schmelzer were Dortmund's best players IMO. Controlled the midfield at times and seems to be recovering well from the long layoff.

Faint praise indeed. But yeah Gundogan was pretty good, some nice interceptions but a lot of misplaced passes, nowhere near where he used to be but that will hopefully come back in time. I love the guy, was a cracking player.

 

[Mad Winger]

seems to be recovering well from the long layoff.

I disagree. He's nowhere near the level he was pre-injury. I didn't expect him to hit the ground running, but I expected more than this.

Hopefully he improves soon. He was at the top of my wish list the summer Moyes took over. Awesome player when in form.

 

[Invictus]

I disagree. He's nowhere near the level he was pre-injury. I didn't expect him to hit the ground running, but I expected more than this.

Hopefully he improves soon. He was at the top of my wish list the summer Moyes took over. Awesome player when in form.

It's much harder to make a smooth return from a stop-start layoff extending over almost 2 seasons mate. Yes, he was no-where near the pre-injury form but it wasn't surprising at all. It's very hard to regain match fitness and 100 % stamina after months of rustiness. I'm quite pleased with his progression to be fair. The man has played just 4 hours of first team football this season (including the Arsenal game). I thought he was comfortably better than most other Dortmund players in an overall subdued collective effort by the team.

 

[peterstorey]

Not bad after that lay-off, clearly nowhere near his best.

 

[Walters_19_MuFc]

Obviously not back to his best yet, but he shown glimpses of his class yesterday against Arsenal. His passing range and vision is just awesome.

 

[Red_toad]

How exactly did they stick with and support him through it? By not releasing him? You're making it sound as if he owes them a lot.

Yep agree with your post.
For me most players care not what fans feel they owe the club.
They have exceptional contracts of employment & short careers! Unless they're a fan of the club from a young age, why should they stay if they feel they can do better elsewhere?

 

[JohnnyLaw]

Scored today.

 

[arthurka]

Scored today.

Had a good game.. Little rusty but you could see how good he can be..

 

[JohnDoe]

So he isn't fat anymore?

 

[JPRouve]

So he isn't fat anymore?

His ass seems a bit fat, to me. And he has a beer gut.

At least two weeks ago it was true.

 

[gofelx]

Had a good game.. Little rusty but you could see how good he can be..

Rusty? Thought he was immense, goal aside his passing and dribbling was amazing, really reminded me of his 12/13 form.

 

[arthurka]

Rusty? Thought he was immense, goal aside his passing and dribbling was amazing, really reminded me of his 12/13 form.

Agreed like i said easy to see why he was so sought after.. He ran out of steam in the 2nd half. But he was good..

 

[Devil may care]

Good to hear he played well, I was hoping the game would be on BT Sport.

 

[simonhch]

Lets be honest, whoever we sign... be it Gundogen, Vida, Strootman, or even Jesus Christ himself... they will undoubtedly suffer from countless injuries after they arrive it.

Thus shalt be thy way.

To be fair to them, all four already suffered career threatening injuries and to date it's only Jesus Christ who managed to successfully resurect it back to a position you could say was better than before.

After 14 months out, I wouldn't expect him to hit top form until next season, providing he can get the rest of this season under his belt without any significant interruption. Anything sooner than that is phenomenal.

The good news is that the injury wasn't to any of this tendons or ligaments, so it's not like he should have theoretically lost any pace or mobility.

Will be watching his progress keenly. Must be really, really hard coming back to fitness after so long being completely sedentary.

 

[fishfingers15]

The way Dortmund stuck by him, he has to sign a contract for life surely? I'd very much like him to stay there and prosper

 

[Invictus]

The way Dortmund stuck by him

But how ? By not releasing him ? He was under contract and they were protecting their asset. Gundogan doesn't necessary owe them anything, what Dortmund did was just protocol obligation.

 

[fishfingers15]

But how ? By not releasing him ? He was under contract and they were protecting their asset. Gundogan doesn't necessary owe them anything, what Dortmund did was just protocol obligation.

Didn't he sign a contract extension when he was injured? I could be wrong, I don't follow Bundesliga that closely

 

[PedroMendez]

he did. For one year. You could argue, that a player never "owes" his club anything, because its just business, regulated by a contract.
Still Gündogan kind of does owe them. They could have easily give up on him. They sticked with him and made his comeback possible. I am not saying that he has to stay in Dortmund, but he shouldnt low-ball them either.