Didn'y stop us signing Hargreaves though, that's the thing.
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Didn'y stop us signing Hargreaves though, that's the thing.
Appreciate you clearing that up mate, it went straight over my head.
Hargreaves passed his medical though didn't h?. He was clear of the problem wasn't he? Or was he? The fact that it reoccurred is neither here nor there. If you refuse to sign a player who has ever been injured because his injury might reoccur then you're narrowing down your scouting pool significantly. I mean we signed van Nistelrooy as he came back from a serious injury. He stayed relatively injury free with us. If he had done his knee again while with us, would we have blamed the medical staff or would it have just been down to bad luck?
If we were to sign him and he passes his medical then he is good to go. If the medical staff see anything that might indicate he is not fully recovered then we won't sign him.
My understanding is that Hargreaves injury hadn't cleared and was simply misdiagnosed, we thought rest would clear the issue but it obviously didn't.
I don't think we're in any position to be taking risks on the midfield issue. Gundogan is fantastic, but it'd be laughable of United to even consider buying a multi-million pound midfielder that may have a career-threatening back issue given our previous ineptitude when it comes to sorting out the midfield. If we deem him fit enough, though, then I'll trust the judgement of those who know a hell of a lot more than me.
He played 34 times for us in his first season and only 5 in his next three seasons. Surely that means he was fit in 07/08 and he got injured again? Maybe I'm wrong, but I thought we got very unlucky with Hargreaves.
Great range of passing, very two-footed, fantastic footballing intelligence and maturity for such a young player. Please happen.
Id take the risk if we're signing another midfielder as well. Not if its the only midfielder.
I am under the impression that a huge part of Hargreaves' injury was in his head. Reading Fergies book there was an anecdote, where Hargreaves came up to Ferguson, and told him that he would probably be ready to play again in so and so many days or weeks. Fergie said that when he did the math, it coinscided exactly with a big Champions League game that was coming up. So I am under the impression that Hargreaves could have played a lot more games, if he was willing to put himself out there.
I'm not saying clubs wont look, am asking whether one can know for certain how recurrent it is likely to be. And am not denying that papers could be stretching it, my point simply was that what he personally says counts for very less in this.
I hope so. He's a fantastic talent but unless we get a great deal, I wouldnt want us to risk 30mil or so.
There are chronic conditions and chronic conditions. Ronaldo has a structural problem with his ankle, he had an operation on it while he was with us. Madrid bought him knowing that while the problem had been treated, it hadn't been cured. Indeed he came very close to needing another operation in his first season with them. He's still on a special exercise, recovery regime to help protect it and he keeps it strapped when he plays.
Madrid took a gamble on it. Maybe they even paid an over the odds insurance premium for him because of it. Paid off though. So like I say, there's chronic and there's chronic.
Do you feel lucky?
Madrid took a gamble on it. Maybe they even paid an over the odds insurance premium for him because of it. Paid off though. So like I say, there's chronic and there's chronic.
Do you feel lucky?
Someone like Carvalho from what I've heard of him would be a perfect partner to Gundogan. Or just bring in Bender to have a Bender-Gundogan partnership like in Dortmund (although different Bender, still works though). I agree though, its risky if we just get him. Bringing in somebody else would take off some of the pressure and let him play normally, not forced into playing every game and potentially being injured.
Worth the risk. We'd still need to sign another centre midfielder anyway.
I can appreciate everyone's panic, but surely that is what the medical is for? Our top doctors will get a free reign to teat and check anything they so wish to, and a deal will not be ratified without their say so.
That reassures me in itself to some degree.
That reassures me in itself to some degree.
If van Persie and Hargreaves can pass a medical here...
In all seriousness he'd be my dream signing, not getting my hopes up just yet.
In all seriousness he'd be my dream signing, not getting my hopes up just yet.
We've not done too bad with van Persie, to be fair.
True, he's been largely fine on the injury front since joining us.
I get the impression most on here think Gundogan is a legitimate target.
If Gündogan isn't a legitimate target, who are we targeting? A world class creative CM that hasn't signed a contract extension and isn't at an elite club. He ticks all the boxes we could want and hope for. He'd still be my dream signing, before his injury he played on a level that was unbelievable. His outing in the Super Cup vs. Bayern Munich was one of the best displays I've seen in a long time.
The fact that he only played about 4 more games in his career after that would suggest that fergie was talking shite on that one
Why wouldn't he be?
I think it was one of those 'we should move on to realistic targets like Cattermole and not risk further 'humiliation' ' kind of statement.
Well, when you put it like that..Cattermole eh? What a player. Would be world class at united, just what we need. 18 million should do it I think.
Who you speaking for? Did I ask you to speak for me?
No I just didnt know if he was a realistic target thats all.
Gobshite
Whats with the papers today ? seem to have gone mental with this story.
When you say papers, is it the likes of the Sun and the Dailystar?
Could be worth te risk to us. If he didn't some question marks over his fitness we probably wouldn't have a shot in all honesty, Beaton in mind the competition that would be sniffing for him.
Him and one more CM
Him and one more CM
Surely we will know more come the Summer, if he's still not fit and ready to face the World Cup you would have to be ready to walk away.
Don't start using common sense with me now dammit!
I think I'm going to go off and cry now. That was like sooo mean.
This is going to be THE muppet thread of the summer isnt it.
Well I'm setting up shop here early just to witness it all from the beginning.
Well I'm setting up shop here early just to witness it all from the beginning.
I want to believe
What about thigos brother... that is prime muppet material
Sometimes you have to take risks. Players like Gundogan are rarely available especially at that price. For example Juventus have built a stellar CM out of risks (Marchisio-homegrown talent, Pirlo - released from Milan because deemed too old to get a 2 year contract, Pogba - considered not good enough for regular football at Manchester United etc)
Many keep harping about Hargreaves while forgetting that we've spent a fortune on safe EPL proven players who turned to be pretty average players (Young, Valencia, Fellaini etc)
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A rare post of you I completely agree with
Who would have thought RVP and even Messi to become players relatively fit after several early season of recurrent injuries (maybe Messi is a bit injury prone at the moment but he still had a ridiculously long period of fitness). Gundogan is way too good to pass up on and even without knowing the true details of his medical condition. He's a much better player than Hargreaves was at the time we signed him.
Why isn't he? We can offer twice the wages Dortmund can.
Based on the money spent on Mata (not exactly a player we player we desperately needed) and Rooney's massive contract, I'd say there are very very few players who aren't realistic options. Seems like the money men at the club are finally realizing that we have to take a more modern approach to transfers (regarding the player valuations). Obviously that's my deduction at this point and will be proved wrong or right this summer.
He said himself that he was feeling his injury during his first season with us, but just kept it quiet and played on. I think i read that it all steamed back from his leg break before he joined us, he did not recover properly and said he felt his leg was weak but just played on and i think that carried from when he joined us and finally came to a head the 2nd season.
In our medical teams defence, some thing you just don't pick up on. If his range of movement was ok during the medical he would of passed.
To be fair, after almost 4 years out.. Your not really going to be Man City standard.
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