İlkay Gündoğan Transfer Thread

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If they're nervous about his back trouble then we should be too.

Absolutely. On the other hand if we can get a deal at the right price then maybe we'd take the risk. Whereas if he stays in Dortmund for another year and proves his back is OK, then all the usual suspects will be in the frame for a free transfer.
 
Not sure about this.. .

Could be a Van Nistelrooy or a Hargreaves/Aquilani

I'd pass on him if we aren't guaranteed a fit and able player
 
I think it would be worth the risk if he isnt going to be our only midfield signing. If he's the only one we're looking to sign, i'd be really worried too.
 
Part of having no Champions League football means taking risks in your transfers. The elite players won't sign without it unless you throw bucketloads of money at them. If this was a straight fight between us and Madrid for a risk-free signing, chances are he goes for Madrid. Perversely, his back problem might help us here. And if we get him for a relatively good price and it turns out not to be a major long-term problem, it gives us a huge boost towards getting back towards the Champions League. It's a risk worth taking, unless of course our doctors say he's crippled.
 
Absolutely. On the other hand if we can get a deal at the right price then maybe we'd take the risk. Whereas if he stays in Dortmund for another year and proves his back is OK, then all the usual suspects will be in the frame for a free transfer.
From what the German newbie poster said, seems like his condition is completely unpredictable. He could play till his 30s without major problems, or he could suffer a severe relapse and that'll be the end of his career. It's a huge bet to take. High risk but high payoff? :D I suspect United will insert a boatload of performance related clauses into his contract.
 
He's back in April right? I mean, at least we'd get a month or so to look at him if that's the case. I would be a bit nervous signing him now though, it could be Hargreaves all over again.
 
I'm all for this gamble at that price.

Sure, a lot of money but Gündogan is a potential top three midfield player in the world if he recovers.
 
Not sure about this.. .

Could be a Van Nistelrooy or a Hargreaves/Aquilani

I'd pass on him if we aren't guaranteed a fit and able player

this. has not played for almost a year now. but top class when fit.

we hit the jackpot with van nistelrooy. one year out and we took the risk. he repaid us big time.

the only think is that back problem could very much return again and again. look at rio. it came back a few times and he never fully recovered from that back problem, and we have to manage him properly because of that.

25 million for a player we are not sure of his fitness regardless how good he is , is a very big risk. anyway imagine we pull this through and he is back to full fitness. what a player he is :drool:
 
If we were to reject any player who has had a serious injury, there wouldn't be many left. If Gündogan returns this season and is fit and ready in the summer, I'd have no qualms about spending that money on him.

I personally don't think we'll buy two midfielders this summer but this looks pretty decent:

Fellaini/Carrick - Gündogan

Mata - Rooney - Januzaj/Nani

RvP

Then a defender and a left-back plus some back-up players (preferably young and on the rise), and I'd say we're doing pretty good. Although I would advocate selling RvP if there are any takers and buying a winger, then moving Rooney to the striker position and Mata to the middle.

Then sell/let go: Evra, Büttner, Rio, Vidic, Giggs, one of Valencia/Young, Hernandez, Anderson, Macheda
 
At 23 could he not grow out of it? He managed 45 games in 12/13 while Hargreaves only matched that tally once in his whole Career.
 
Unlike Hargreaves, he's still young and potentially one of the best midfielders on the planet.

He'll be 24 at the start of next season, Hargreaves was 26 when he joined us. Not a great deal of difference.


If it wasn't for injuries, Hargreaves would have gone down as one of the greatest Canadian/English centre/right midfielders who can play at right back that played in the Bundesliga and Premier League that we were ever likely to see.

It's a massive shame that was taken away from the world.
 
I thought Gundogan had said that his bsck troubles aren't as bad as being made out and that it's just inflammation that hasn't cleared up?

Ofcourse he'd say that? I dont know how bad it is and whether its something he might have to deal with all the time but its obvious what his comments will be on the issue.
 
Ofcourse he'd say that? I dont know how bad it is and whether its something he might have to deal with all the time but its obvious what his comments will be on the issue.

Why does he have to say that? Because he wants big clubs to be interested? Anyone that is interested in buying him will find out the full extent of his injury anyway.
 
Why does he have to say that? Because he wants big clubs to be interested? Anyone that is interested in buying him will find out the full extent of his injury anyway.

Because it's worth millions of pounds to him.

If you were in a position where you could be forced to retire and lose all future lucrative earnings or poker face and earn a big contract and let the insurance companies worry about it what would you do?
 
Why does he have to say that? Because he wants big clubs to be interested? Anyone that is interested in buying him will find out the full extent of his injury anyway.

Not really. Things like these pass by in a medical, dont think one can be sure its a permanent problem. Considering what its worth to him, he'l always say what he did.
 
If it wasn't for injuries, Hargreaves would have gone down as one of the greatest Canadian/English centre/right midfielders who can play at right back that played in the Bundesliga and Premier League that we were ever likely to see.


Yeah because there plenty of competitors for that award
 
Well done fella.

I reckon that he still wins the award. I mean how many Canadian/English centre/right midfielders who can play at right back that played in the Bundesliga and Premier League there are in football history?
 
I reckon that he still wins the award. I mean how many Canadian/English centre/right midfielders who can play at right back that played in the Bundesliga and Premier League there are in football history?

Yes well done, you got it. 10/10.
 
Because it's worth millions of pounds to him.

If you were in a position where you could be forced to retire and lose all future lucrative earnings or poker face and earn a big contract and let the insurance companies worry about it what would you do?

Not really sure you're getting at there. What do you think he's trying to achieve?

Perhaps he's just telling the truth and, unsurprisingly, the papers are wrong. I refuse to believe that a guy that can't physically play football anynore can dupe football clubs and medical experts into thinking otherwise.
 
Not really. Things like these pass by in a medical, dont think one can be sure its a permanent problem. Considering what its worth to him, he'l always say what he did.

After its been splashed across all the newspapers that he may need to retire, I'm pretty sure any club with a bit of intelligence would look into his back injury and at least speak to doctors involved or read medical records etc.

Perhaps the papers were stretching the truth of his injuries to begin with. I'd say that's more likely than Gundogan trying to trick clubs into signing him when he's not even physically able to play.
 
I will actually have to pinch myself if we pulled this off. For people who haven't really seen him: he is one of the best young CMs in the world, an unbelievable player. Yes, the back injury is a concern, but it's his first major injury, so hopefully it isn't recurring. This would truly be a good start to our rebuild if we sign him.
Shit, Gundogan in a red shirt. What a thought.
 
After its been splashed across all the newspapers that he may need to retire, I'm pretty sure any club with a bit of intelligence would look into his back injury and at least speak to doctors involved or read medical records etc.

Perhaps the papers were stretching the truth of his injuries to begin with. I'd say that's more likely than Gundogan trying to trick clubs into signing him when he's not even physically able to play.
You are assuming Gundogan would have given them permission to do this then?
 
Not really. Things like these pass by in a medical, dont think one can be sure its a permanent problem. Considering what its worth to him, he'l always say what he did.

Nah. It's a problem that's known about and our doctors would be specifically looking at. It's possible doctors might not be able to tell if it's a permanent problem but if the problem is still there we won't sign him. Simple as that. We're not going to sign an injured player who is not showing signs of a full recovery. Especially when the problem is with his back.
 
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