İlkay Gündoğan Transfer Thread
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) are here to discuss Amad saving our blushes in a win against Southampton as well as our now annual loss at home to Brighton. They discuss Amorim's post-match comments, revisit how mid-table we may or may not be, and discuss some transfer news.
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Not if you use it to your advantage. Any area they overstock means an area where they have a weakness. It's the players and the mentality that make a team not the formation.
...and he's the feckbag that slagged our medical staff off about mistreating him, when he moved to Shitty. The fecker was born injured & i'm delighted he cant kick a ball anymore. People like that dont deserve respect from folk that supported him through thick & thin when he was injured.
Wasnt worthy to wear the shirt in hindsight!
We'll need a new fix, quick, everyone in here!
What's the story then with this back thing? Was it a WUM or is this still on?
His back injury is very real.
You do know Mata played a winger predominantly at Valencia and with Spain correct?
I get you like Mata in the AM but Mata's track record shows he is supremely gifted *and* adaptable. He has played and started regularly in all three ACM position across the 4-2-3-1 formation.
Mata will play and play well is my prediction. In addition we will be able to adjust players and formations and get more from the rest of our misfiring bunch.
As for this thread, I would love Gundogun, but more importantly I hope he gets well and plays for someone.
Poor lad, such a pity if it's a career ruiner.
Apparently he's got Spondylolisthesis, which is a chronic condition in the spinal vertebrae. It can't be cured, causes a lot of pain under excessive pressure and activity if not handled properly and getting surgery for it will most likely make it worse and end your career as a professional. I wish him the best and I hope he can fulfill his potential but I wouldn't risk another case of Hargreaves at Manchester United.
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Shit didnt know it was that serious to begin with. Thought is was something similar to Rio's, who made a good recovery. Good luck to the lad.
I quite randomly spent the past few days visting a family friend of his (who was staying at his house in Munich) and therefore spent a few days his step-daughter. You don't know the half of it, that guy's family have been horribly cruel and manipulative towards him (prior to the fire). I feel extremely sorry for the guy
If I remember correctly, there were rumours in the press about problems with his wife and that he struggled since his parents went back to Brazil, with also the wife being the reason for it. I'm not surprised if there's a lot more to it than just the injuries. I always liked him, so yeah, I also feel a bit sorry for him.
I don't blame his wife for not getting on with his parents if that was the case. Obviously I can't really say on a public forum, but his Father really let him down.
I didn't mean to say that his wife is at fault, I've no clue really, but something like that was written in a few newspapers a while back. But I agree, no need to discuss this further in a public forum. I just hope he gets back on his feet soon.
He's the guy who played an entire season injured to repay the trust the club and fans had for him. He's the guy that effectively ended his career by doing so. He's the guy that helped us win the PL and CL in 2008. He's the guy who was understandably distraught when he realized what 2007/2008 did to him.
Respect? You don't know the meaning of the word.
http://www.bild.de/sport/fussball/ilkay-guendogan/comeback-wieder-verschoben-34669392.bild.html
First of all i feel sorry for him
But we have already enough injury-prone players in the squad.........it looks like he's out for another weeks
We've already made the mistake with Hargreaves
First of all i feel sorry for him
But we have already enough injury-prone players in the squad.........it looks like he's out for another weeks
We've already made the mistake with Hargreaves
Today marks the 6 month Anniversary of his last match.
I'm a huge fan of his but the injuries really are worrying. I wouldn't take the risk on him, and last year I really loved watching him. Thought he was the best young midfielder in the world. If he can go a whole season without getting anything more then the normal small occasional injury, then it can prove that this was just a freak, bad luck situation. But right now it seems like he might have a career hampered by injuries.
Actually the interview is rather positive. He even says that the alleged chronic back injury is false and that it's a case of a bad inflammation that simply won't go away.
He still is the best CM we could hope for. A monster on his day.
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Wouldn't risk it personally. The central midfielder we sign has to be the right choice and we don't want another Hargreaves scenario.
Wow. English journalists are so pathetic it's not even funny.
-What the daily mail guy doesn't tell is that Gündogan's father said in the same interview that Dortmund is still the first club they'll talk to - probably because he does not want to poison his narrative with inconvenient facts.
-Kicker does not state it clearly but to me it seems like he said 'everything is still open' when asked about a possible contract extension.
(don't think either of those two quotes really means anything though)
-That Benzema thing would go against everything that Dortmund's bosses have said over the past couple of years and afaik the only time anyone ever wrote about Benzema and Dortmund in the same sentence was when Bild released an 'article' that said something like: 'well they need a striker and Real wants Gündogan so a swap deal would seem neat'.
-The reliable media sources in Germany are reporting that Dortmund have a buy-clause for Sahin (in the €7m region), their officials hinted at that too. So he won't be a factor.
-Anyone who has even a remote understanding of football should know that Kehl and Bender play a completely different tactical role than the turks and therefore don't compete for the same spots and that Gündogan will easily regain his spot as a starter once he regains fitness and form.
-Dortmund's bosses always stated that they want nothing more than extend Gündogan's contract, but wish to sell him if he does not. Thus far there is zero indication that their position on the matter has changed.
-Afaik Bayern never officially said anything about whether or not they want to sign Gündogan. The Kicker article (reliable) just said that to the best of their knowledge they haven't made a move (yet).
-What the daily mail guy doesn't tell is that Gündogan's father said in the same interview that Dortmund is still the first club they'll talk to - probably because he does not want to poison his narrative with inconvenient facts.
-Kicker does not state it clearly but to me it seems like he said 'everything is still open' when asked about a possible contract extension.
(don't think either of those two quotes really means anything though)
-That Benzema thing would go against everything that Dortmund's bosses have said over the past couple of years and afaik the only time anyone ever wrote about Benzema and Dortmund in the same sentence was when Bild released an 'article' that said something like: 'well they need a striker and Real wants Gündogan so a swap deal would seem neat'.
-The reliable media sources in Germany are reporting that Dortmund have a buy-clause for Sahin (in the €7m region), their officials hinted at that too. So he won't be a factor.
-Anyone who has even a remote understanding of football should know that Kehl and Bender play a completely different tactical role than the turks and therefore don't compete for the same spots and that Gündogan will easily regain his spot as a starter once he regains fitness and form.
-Dortmund's bosses always stated that they want nothing more than extend Gündogan's contract, but wish to sell him if he does not. Thus far there is zero indication that their position on the matter has changed.
-Afaik Bayern never officially said anything about whether or not they want to sign Gündogan. The Kicker article (reliable) just said that to the best of their knowledge they haven't made a move (yet).
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With the back injury, did he have any real problems before? I can't remember have many issues before and I'd think this chronic issue is overstated. As he has been out for a fair while, it's quite usual for players to pick up slight injuries or aggravating the injury a little bit when getting back to full training. What's the official word coming out of Dortmund?
They are very pathetic. We post their stuff in here half of the time just for the laughs to be honest.
I'd be very surprised if he played any part in the latter stages of the season. His ongoing back problems seem much more complicated than first thought.
He'll be given, or would want to give himself every opportunity to go to Brazil. I expect him to play again this season, even if that means he breaks down again after two games.
He is/was a very dynamic player. If his back problems have impaired that mobility, he will not be close to the player he was. Rio was older, but consider his decline in pace and mobility after a serious back injury...
It could be another Hargreaves given the length and nature of his injury layoff. It'd be a huge risk to take if he does have a chronic back problem, as was referred to by another poster in the thread. Though obviously that's not been confirmed. If, for example, we went in for him and when he arrives he's out for extended periods, or plays the odd game and then has to miss one or two, we'd be no better off than we are now. Unless there are no doubts I reckon we'd have to leave him to someone else. We don't have the strength in depth in midfield to carry another midfielder.
Sadly, if he has back issues he is uunlikely to be the same player. Pro-football is a game of fine margins. You can manage back issues but only to a degree. I suspect clubs would be concerned about risking a lot of money on a player with his medical history.
Broken legs or other bones are one thing - you can get a medical professional to look at it and decide whether its healed. If the suggestion is right that he has some kind of degenerative back condition, that's much more difficult to assess long term.
If there is any truth to the back condition rumours then we shouldn't be going anywhere near this kid.
The last thing we want to do is spunk £40 million on Hargreaves mark 2!
The last thing we want to do is spunk £40 million on Hargreaves mark 2!
On the other hand, if this injury has no lasting effect we could be getting the closest thing I've seen to Scholes in the modern game.
With no CL football next season, if there is a player of this caliber available I think we simply have to take the risk. Especially given his talent and that he is exactly what we need in our current squad.
I'd sign him in a heartbeat. Didn't Scholes have like 6+ months out during his career at one point? With that eye thing?
With no CL football next season, if there is a player of this caliber available I think we simply have to take the risk. Especially given his talent and that he is exactly what we need in our current squad.
I'd sign him in a heartbeat. Didn't Scholes have like 6+ months out during his career at one point? With that eye thing?
Injuries I hear? Less than £20m, yes. More than £20m, no.
This transfer has a real eden hazard modric bale feel about it in that the press will keep recycling the same story that we are the favorites to get him in the summer every few days then come the summer he'll sign for real or barca or chelsea
If he could be signed for £30 million or less he'd be worth the risk in my opinion. Big fan.
He hasn't played the entire season, why would anyone touch this lad with a barge pole until they are confidant he can play a sufficient amount of games without the injury recurring?
Granted he is a top, top talent and exactly the type of player we need, but come on, we need to know his injury is past him before we move for him. I can't see this deal happening at all and would be very surprised if it comes off.
Granted he is a top, top talent and exactly the type of player we need, but come on, we need to know his injury is past him before we move for him. I can't see this deal happening at all and would be very surprised if it comes off.
Because even at the best of times, United have difficulty winning a bidding war against Madrid, Barca, Chelsea and City for established top players. Now that we are set to be unable to offer CL football as well as have less money than the aforementioned clubs (one or two of them would definitely be involved if Gundogan was top fit), we might need to take a chance in such a situation where said top player represents a risk investment most other clubs would not take.
If we win the gamble, we'd have acquired an amazing midfielder we had no chance of getting under normal circumstances.
Agree with this. He was last season one of the best midfielders in the world and we have zero chance to sign him if Real Barcelona goes for him (and maybe a few other clubs). I think it is worth the risk to get him even with his injury problems.
This rumour has been going on for quite some time, before when it looked like we wouldn't get CL football. For some reason it just won't go away and I finding it unbelievable the amount of people that want to spunk a load of money on this guy given his condition atm.
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