Mkhitaryan is the main reason I dont see it happening. And I cant see Kagawa playing CM either though Klopp could pull it off. As much as I love Kagawa and want him to succeed here, I'd welcome move such a move.
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Mkhitaryan is the main reason I dont see it happening. And I cant see Kagawa playing CM either though Klopp could pull it off. As much as I love Kagawa and want him to succeed here, I'd welcome move such a move.
I like Kagawa but I would 100% use him in any deal that brings Gundogan here. Klopp is basically obsessed with Shinji anyway.
I love the idea of us getting Gundogan, but is he really what we need right now? I guess if we can get him now it would be stupid to wait but still, the guy hasn't played all season. If we're going to get in to the top 4 we need players that are going to make an immediate impact, not more injured players.
I see.
With his contract situation as it is, a straight cash deal would make much more sense.
Why not? He's unlikely to do worse than what we currently have even if he's not at his best.
We need 'panic buys' (in the least negative possible sense), yes, because it's crucial that we get into the top four. In a way that's what Mata is, even though he's also a great buy for the future. But Gundogan is the sort of player who we should try to get regardless of whether he fits that short-term season-saving bill. He's exactly what we need in the long term, so whether or not he'll make the difference this season, we should get him if there's a chance of doing so.
Asking if Gundogan is what we need right now is like asking a fish does it need water
Yea someone like Juan Mata would be great, we should go in for him, we should wait on Gundogan just because a World Class CM might not guarantee us top four, whilst not making top four would almost guarantee us not getting a World Class CM
Buy him Davey
Kagawa + 20m.
What about the lads fitness? Is he near full fitness, or someway off?
Who gives a shit? If we are getting him then Im glad we missed out on all those central midfielders in the summer.
Kagawa + some cash should definitely do the trick.
reports saying he's out for another month. This is some serious black problem
Huh is he signing for Liverpool ?
The thing is he is an incredibly large risk if he is suffering this much from a back injury. The good news is it's his first major injury of his professional career. The bad news is it's to do with his back, which can be a problem for the rest of his playing days. Like I said, a large gamble.
Afaik the problems right now aren't with his back. He just lacks fitness, he should have started training at the beginning of the month but caught a bronchitis (hope it's called that way in English as well) and was sick for quite a while. He started training, but it will take a few weeks till he's ready to play again after being out for so long.
Racist.
No way should we be offloading Kagawa, even in a swap deal for Gundogan. There's at least eight names on the 'feck off' list before we get near Shinji.
Yes, but none of them would help us get Gundogan.
Mata does spell trouble for Kagawa
If Kagawa was able to sweeten a deal for someone like Gundogan...regardless of how unrealistic it actually is, he can feck off.
Time to be ruthless and feck off all these so called talented blokes who are doing nothing.
I agree with this, which is basically why I said it would be stupid not to get him if we could. All I really meant was that if there are other semi-attainable options of a similar statute I think we would be better off using our energy there.
If there aren't, which in all likelihood is the case, then yes Gundogan would be a great buy.
Mata is a great purchase for the future and for the short term, but he won't solve our biggest problem which is still center mid. Our best center mids this season have been a player who was out for two entire seasons and a center back. We really need to address this immediately if we want to get in to the top four.
Not necessarily.
Kagawa, Mata, Rooney and Januzaj fighting over those three attacking-midfield spots is a fecking glorious position to be in.
Sell Valencia and Young, and keep Nani as he'd be able to play in an advanced-midfield role, too.
Basically, with the deterioration of our wing play and over-reliance on this shiteness, we should never see a winger nor 4-4-2 at Manchester United again (for a long, long while at least.)
The reason Kagawa hasn't consistently blossomed yet is because of our archaic, reprobate football.
Pass to the wings, run five yards, pass back to the full-backs, pass back into midfield, and then back out to the wings. Rinse and repeat.
tumescent shit.
Yeah to be fair I think I'm overly harsh on Kagawa. Out of the five senior attacking mids/wide men only Rooney and Kagawa would be worth keeping...maybe a case for Nani but that's becoming redundant.
The reason Kagawa hasn't consistently blossomed yet is because of our archaic, reprobate football.
Pass to the wings, run five yards, pass back to the full-backs, pass back into midfield, and then back out to the wings. Rinse and repeat.
tumescent shit.
I think in the grand scheme of things if we were to sign a Di Maria or Reus type player in the summer in addition to what else we may do...and we secure Mata tomorrow, I'd be happy to see Kagawa leave as a makeweight for a quality CM.
All very unpredictable because quickfire major overhauls isn't the United way...but the united way may need some tweaks to come to terms with 21st century football.
I'm actually not sure Mata does spell the end for Kagawa. For one thing, Rooney may be going. Beyond that, if we're moving to a narrower system then there will be more than enough room for Rooney, Mata, Kagawa and Januzaj. Plus that system would probably get an awful lot more out of Kagawa.
As for Gundogan, I'd happily finish fifth if it meant he signed. The long term benefit would certainly outweigh the short term inconvenience of missing out on a CL place. Plus, with Gundogan and Mata on board, we'd already have a good chunk of our required strengthening done.
As for Gundogan, I'd happily finish fifth if it meant he signed. The long term benefit would certainly outweigh the short term inconvenience of missing out on a CL place. Plus, with Gundogan and Mata on board, we'd already have a good chunk of our required strengthening done.
Yes, get another cm (preferably a defensive one) and lb in the summer and we're set. Having said that, I don't think we're actually in for him, not now anyway.
I agree completely with this. Hopefully, Mata means the end of the likes of Young and Valencia. Not Kagawa.
Januzaj - Kagawa - Mata
--------- Rooney -------
I like the look of this. There's so much mobility, versatility and skill in that front four. And we still have RVP!
Is there any reason this is bumped today?
I'd play van Persie up front as I've always wanted United to have an 'all-lefty' attack!
Kagawa is a righty.I'd play van Persie up front as I've always wanted United to have an 'all-lefty' attack!
Kagawa's right footed too.I'd play van Persie up front as I've always wanted United to have an 'all-lefty' attack!
I'd place him in the Cazorla bracket in so far he's equally adept with either foot. He's as left-footed as he's right-footed, in my opinion.
The best player of the lot an after thought. Never going to happen when he's fit.
I agree. My post above leaving him out for van Persie, or Kagawa/Januzaj was completely tongue-in-cheek.
Rooney is the first name on the team-sheet every single time.
He's very good with his left, but clearly more comfortable on his right, definitely not as two-footed as Cazorla.
Dropping RVP for kagawa is just odd
I'm not sure we do agree.
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