So what your saying is that if Cesc Fabregas is telling you he'd sign for you then you should just ignore it? Why was nobody saying that in the summer when it seemed he was available?
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Let's just give up then.
I don't think we'll agree on the Fabregas point. I'm fairly certain the was encouragement from somewhere. I've heard it said many times that the change of manager and subsequent reassurances quelled any doubt Cesc had about staying at Barca. Without those things, I think he would have come here and we were closer than people want to believe.
Moyes has repeated time and time again that there was players he wanted that didn't work out, for various reasons. That happens it football. It happens every season and happens to every manager, even SAF. He may have made some mistake but I think luck was really against him, as was time.
I know it been a really bad start and a lot of that blame has to go to Moyes but I really think he'll get it right, with transfers and tactics and results, sooner rather than later. If a manager with the qualities of Moyes (going by his time at Everton) couldnt steady the ship, so far, then I fear we are all just vastly underrating the enormity of the task, of replacing SAF and taking over HIS team. A team that have only ever known one manager and one style of coaching.
If the money is there, and we're all fairly certain it is, then I see no problem with bringing in about 4/5 players in the summer.
With the exception of Fabregas, for whom Barca clearly has a symbolic meaning, I'd imagine we got outbid for the others. If money isn't the prime incentive, then how do you explain a team like City compiling players like Aguero, Toure and Silva? It certainly isn't the team's rich history or location.
I read here that Gundogan currently earns 25k/week. I've also read that Young earns something like 125k/week. If that's true, then I imagine that kind of salary would be attractive to Gundogan. But the point is: pay him and Dortmund whatever it takes.
We can offer him £125k but I'm sure a handful of clubs will offer him £200k. And they have better players. And more attractive locations, e.g. London, Paris, Barcelona
Didn't the French bring in that 5% tax? That's one less on the list.
So what happened here?
Moyes, encouraged by the player's agent, identified Fabregas as a target, and got the green light from the owners to go for him. When it became apparent (as it always was) that £30m was nowhere near enough, and we'd have to pay more like £50m, the Glazers were happy to part with the cash, but Moyes said "no, I'd feel bad spending that much of yuor hard eanerd money - I'd rather have a shit team than think of you guys sat in Florida with no heating on over the winter". Is that right?
If so, credit to Moyes, because I don't think anybody else was predicting it would be this damn cold in Florida this winter.
But my suspicion is that this wasn't the case, and the purse strings were constrained by the people whose money it is.
How come this thread is so active? More rumours? Surely he won't be going anywhere this month given the nature of the injury that's kept him out all season so far.
Thanks for that information, always good to have an insight into the clubs accounts. The media is always speculative bollocks so it's good to hear what we can and can't pay from someone who knows.
Indeed. If we sign him (nothing to suggest we will) then he'd be one of the top earners at the club surely.If we are willing to go anywhere near £70m, then we'd need to make an offer for Vidal really.
Yep i remember when Mata wanted to leave and Chlesea paid him £200k a week.
Can we stop this rubbish now. He is not Zidane or even Iniesta for that matter.
If this club is serious about not only getting into the Top 4 but also getting back to the level United expected of this great club then we should be looking to bring in both Vidal and Gundogan as well as a top quality winger and left back. The current first choices then become squad players.
Sadly I just don't see us investing in the squad like that. Fergie could do it the shrewd way and squeeze out every last drop of performance from lesser players, we just won't get that from Moyes.
I disagree, in that I think we will look to spend huge. I think we could actually do with a couple of big names, in addition to just good players. That will help on and off the field I reckon, and we have not found ourselves in this position for many a year.
I'd bet my left testicle we will get one good player in the summer and then a couple of decent at best signings. We need at least four absolutely top quality additions though.
This is Man United. We never fail to underwhelm in the transfer market.
This is Man United. We never fail to underwhelm in the transfer market.
We shouldn't expect to, from him or any other manager out there. SAF was a once in a lifetime deal. I think you're bang on with spending big money on marquee players, its the only way any manager would revitalize this squad and get us back to our best.
Moyes knew how much he has to spend. Dont be naive.
If 30 is his budget, he should have shut up about big signing and bragging about getting fabregas.
Seriously... I have no clue what's going on, but if he offers 30 for Fabregas and paid 30m for fellaini.
I know who's thr idiot in my book
In which case both he and the Glazers are at fault. Moyes for selecting an unrealistic target, as you say. The Glazers for only giving him 30m when we need a world class midfielder.
If Fellaini was the best option available for 30m then he was probably best off signing him, over-priced or not.
The Mirror claim we are readying a £24M bid for him.
He obviously wasn't though.
I wonder how long it will take to be ready.
Almost as good as the rumored £25m bid for Fabregas
Bild supposedly 'understands' that Real offers Benzema + Sahin (Dortmund still have to pay around €7m at the end of this season if they want to keep him) in exchange for Gündogan.
However that just smells like their typical BS.
Bild supposedly 'understands' that Real offers Benzema + Sahin (Dortmund still have to pay around €7m at the end of this season if they want to keep him) in exchange for Gündogan.
However that just smells like their typical BS.
24m is a lot less than 70m right?
I think it's £46 million less. Give me a couple of days and I'll come back to confirm this with you.
I feel like madrid won't be too interested in him anymore given they signed Alonso for a few more years and modric is in his prime now. Gundogan would be a bit pointless and wouldn't really improve them.Almost as good as the rumored £25m bid for Fabregas
Bild supposedly 'understands' that Real offers Benzema + Sahin (Dortmund still have to pay around €7m at the end of this season if they want to keep him) in exchange for Gündogan.
However that just smells like their typical BS.
Also I feel like he'll go for a price around that one in the summer if he does to at all, considering he'll have 1 year left on his contract.
Firstly; this is Madrid. Since when did logic come into it? They sold Ozil for £41m and bought Bale for £85m.
Secondly; this is Dortmund, they won't accept £24m in the summer. They've made their point with Lewandowski and it was a message to everyone. We are not a selling club and you'll have to wait to get your man thank you very much.
Madrid? They already have modric playing exactly where he would be, and Xavi Alonso as cover. There's hardly much scope to improve upon, and gundogan has been out for half a year now.
This is true, always forget common sense doesn't apply to Perez. On gundogan, judging from the comments watzke made, it sounds like it's either sign a contract or you'll be sold. He's not as vital to them as lewandowski was because they have Sahin there who's been playing all season, and I think with lewandowski it was as much a statement to bayern as anything, they didn't want to give them their 2 best players in one summer.
Alonso is 32, so he won't be playing every game next season when he will be 33 and perhaps declining a little bit. Gundogan can play in his role with ease, and will only get better from his already brilliant level. Just because he has been out for half a year at 23 years doesn't mean he won't be effective once fully recovered.
This is the guy I want us to put top of our wish list in the summer. I really don't ever see it materialising though.
Agree completely with you there. But they also have luka modric who is a top class player and is first choice for Madrid. Sure gundogan will be a better player in a year or two, but it's not like it will be a huge increase in quality. If they do get him, then we should do all we can to bring in modric, because they are pretty similar.
Anyways, I suspect he'll go to Barca to replace Xavi. I do think we have a good chance if he's set on leaving though, also because apparently he used to be a united fan (won't make a huge difference but can't hurt).
He'd be a signing that would be the building block of a new team here and his signing would alert others and help perhaps with the likes of Rooney staying.There are so many reasons for making a big signing and the club for me must just do it, whatever it takes. feck the business of getting value for money and penny pinching just fecking do it!
I think he could be purchased for relative value to his ability. I see him going for roughly £35 million, which he's without a doubt worth. I just have absolutely no faith in United getting a deal of this magnitude done, especially if other clubs were interested.
Agreed.We just don't seem to have the authority when it comes to doing business! I can see Woody entering talks and then leaving the room five minutes later, with his tie pulled tight around his neck, closely followed by his briefcase/spongebob sandwich box hitting him on the back of his head! We need to get this guy sorted before anything is done about Moyes!
Normally I'd say £24M is a decent opening offer, but that Fabregas saga has changed my perspective on these things. Get in there and get it sorted (either way) as soon as possible.
Love the expression "readying a bid" as if they're on the phone and Moyes and Woodward and panicking over where the wallet is.
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