İlkay Gündoğan Transfer Thread

[Danillaco]

Feck, Madrid's going to spunk another €100-130m on Suarez and Gundogan this summer. (Plus a LB replacement for Coentrao).

They'll get rid of Alonso, Khedira & possibly Benzema to free up some cash.

-------Modric----Gundogan---
Bale---------Isco-----------Ronaldo
--------------Suarez

This is borderline ridiculous, isn't it?

 

[Ish]

This is borderline ridiculous, isn't it?

It is fecking ridiculous

Leaving everyone else to fight over their rejects etc

 

[KiD MoYeS]

This is borderline ridiculous, isn't it?

Have you seen Bayern's team?

 

[Comsmit]

Isn't Illarramendi the so called replacement for Alonso?

Definitely, very similar in style and attributes. He will be a cracking player methinks.

 

[Earthquake]

This is borderline ridiculous, isn't it?

Yet Barca'll still take 'em in the league and they'll choke in the CL. Heh.

 

[Melvyn]

I reckon they will sell Khedira too so their potential CM lineup will be Modric, Illarra, Gundogan and Casemiro.

 

[Reapersoul20]

Consensus : It'd be nice if we signed this fella'.

But we're not going to sign this fella'.

Sad times. Sad times.

 

[Baxter]

I do find it funny though. Some of the discussion has been that Kagawa/Klopp may convince Reus/Gundogan that moving here would be a good idea but not Sahin/Klopp. Not that I think the argument truly will have any difference, it's just amusing that every decent player must sign for Madrid/Barca/Bayern.

 

[Danillaco]

Have you seen Bayern's team?

Utterly borderline ridiculous.

Especially when we look at our squad. Bayern earn around the same as us, doesn't them? But the management of the finances and investments is just amazing. Ours is just sad, with no value excuses and 30 million pounds Fellaini.

 

[Adam-Utd]

Utterly borderline ridiculous.

Especially when we look at our squad. Bayern earn around the same as us, doesn't them? But the management of the finances and investments is just amazing. Ours is just sad, with no value excuses and 30 million pounds Fellaini.

The difference is we have huge dead to finance, they do not.

 

[Danillaco]

The difference is we have huge dead to finance, they do not.

But the debt is decreasing greatly, and if needed, we have tons of money to invest. We sign more and more contracts regularly, and the business side of the club is booming, but we invest little and wrong. Bayern has been steadily investing on one or two great players every year, and replacing old and not good enough pieces. It's very well planned and continuous. Look at us now...

It's obvious we have a financial burden, but that's not the complete reason we don't invest.

 

[Adam-Utd]

But the debt is decreasing greatly, and if needed, we have tons of money to invest. We sign more and more contracts regularly, and the business side of the club is booming, but we invest little and wrong. Bayern has been steadily investing on one or two great players every year, and replacing old and not good enough pieces. It's very well planned and continuous. Look at us now...

It's obvious we have a financial burden, but that's not the complete reason we don't invest.

While that is true we spent around £70M last year alone on financing the debt. That is a Gotze + somebody every year.

 

[Balu]

United still spend quite a lot on new players in the last 5 years, I think Bayern only spent about €50m more than United in the last 5 seasons, while United even in Bayern's treble winning season with an unusual amount of bonus payments had a higher total wage bill. Bayern also still pays a significant amount of money for the new stadium, that wasn't as much debt as United had, but it's around 30m a year as well.

You just spent a shitload of money for useless players. Buttner was more expensive than Dante, Young way more expensive than Shaqiri and is on significantly higher wages as well, Fellaini was more expensive than Thiago.

 

[Danillaco]

United still spend quite a lot on new players in the last 5 years, I think Bayern only spent about €50m more than United in the last 5 seasons, while United even in Bayern's treble winning season with an unusual amount of bonus payments had a higher total wage bill. Bayern also still pays a significant amount of money for the new stadium, that wasn't as much debt as United had, but it's around 30m a year as well.

You just spent a shitload of money for useless players. Buttner was more expensive than Dante, Young way more expensive than Shaqiri and is on significantly higher wages as well, Fellaini was more expensive than Thiago.

That's exactly my point. We invest little, but mostly wrong. We could've gone for Thiago, we went for Fellaini costing the double, Shaqiri was 2/3 the price we paid for Young. Buttner... Well, we payed four million more than we should've.

 

[The Taurean]

United still spend quite a lot on new players in the last 5 years, I think Bayern only spent about €50m more than United in the last 5 seasons, while United even in Bayern's treble winning season with an unusual amount of bonus payments had a higher total wage bill. Bayern also still pays a significant amount of money for the new stadium, that wasn't as much debt as United had, but it's around 30m a year as well.

You just spent a shitload of money for useless players. Buttner was more expensive than Dante, Young way more expensive than Shaqiri and is on significantly higher wages as well, Fellaini was more expensive than Thiago.

I think we went for potential rather than proven atleast at some level. The only difference might be we haven't spent a lot on a single quality player(apart from van persie), whereas you guys have identified weakness in positions (or quality players) and spent what was needed to get those players. We haven't. It also helps that your overall core german players are significantly better than your english ones.

 

[Balu]

We got incredibly lucky with our homegrown players in the last 5 years, which was the most important part to make that development, that's of course true. I was mainly replying to the money issue.

 

[Antisocial]

You just spent a shitload of money for useless players. Buttner was more expensive than Dante, Young way more expensive than Shaqiri and is on significantly higher wages as well, Fellaini was more expensive than Thiago.

Stop it, stop it, STOP IT!!

But yeah there are many issues with our transfer dealings going back a fair while, even under Sir Alex. Hopefully some clear leadership will establish itself going forward.

 

[Cedric]

Stop it, stop it, STOP IT!!

Bur yeah there are many issues with our transfer dealings going back a fair while, even under Sir Alex. Hopefully some clear leadership will establish itself going forward.

It's sad but true, our transfers in the last couple of seasons have been quite hit and miss.

 

[freshibal]

I want to know which scout spotted Rafael, Hernandez Evra and Vidic.

Its rumoured Martin Ferguson decided Isco was too slow for us.

 

[Pexbo]

I want to know which scout spotted Rafael, Hernandez Evra and Vidic.

Its rumoured Martin Ferguson decided Isco was too slow for us.

Pretty sure Jim Lawlor spotted Hernandez as he spent a month in Mexico watching him, researching his background and personality IIRC.

 

[Melvyn]

I want to know which scout spotted Rafael, Hernandez Evra and Vidic.

Its rumoured Martin Ferguson decided Isco was too slow for us.

I read an article, might have been by Andy Mitten, who wrote that a scout recommended Hernandez to Jim Lawlor who then started watching him.

 

[freshibal]

I still hold faith in our scouting department, but it seems like a refresh may be needed. There have been a few transfers that have gone ahead which kind are baffling on our behalf, and then some players which seemed like excellent buys we just seemed to ignore.

When Juventus got relegated I remember ferguson saying he would be interested in taking advantage of that. However nothing ever materialised and it makes me wonder what kind of criteria do we match up when deciding on transfer targets and then proceeding to bid etc..

 

[Balu]

Isn't it a good sign for the future that the club actually does spend money just like other top clubs and that it was mainly about choosing the wrong players in the last years? There's at least hope that the club can't continue to make bad decisions forever and for example de Gea was a brilliant signing, fixed an important position for years, if not a whole decade or more, why shouldn't more of these transfers follow?

Just to give an example, how incredibly shit Bayern's scouting was not too long ago. We were interested in Aguero in 2006, Uli Hoeness flew to Argentina just to watch him play and decided he's a lazy fecker, we don't need him, then someone convinced him to give the player a second chance, so Magath, our manager at the time, had to go watch him. He told Hoeness, please never steal any of my time with such a useless player ever again. I can't even name all the useless Southamerican players we bought in the following years, instead of him, until we decided we don't buy any Southamericans anymore at all. We still don't btw, because the last one sat his house on fire and was recently released from jail. But we could have had Aguero .

I get the anger about last summer and the shit football this season. The meltdown and the crazy negative predictions for the future are ridiculous though, sorry to say that.

 

[freshibal]

Isn't it a good sign for the future that the club actually does spend money just like other top clubs and that it was mainly about choosing the wrong players in the last years? There's at least hope that the club can't continue to make bad decisions forever and for example de Gea was a brilliant signing, fixed an important position for years, if not a whole decade or more, why shouldn't more of these transfers follow?

Just to give an example, how incredibly shit Bayern's scouting was not too long ago. We were interested in Aguero in 2006, Uli Hoeness flew to Argentina just to watch him play and decided he's a lazy fecker, we don't need him, then someone convinced him to give the player a second chance, so Magath, our manager at the time, had to go watch him. He told Hoeness, please never steal any of my time with such a useless player ever again. I can't even name all the useless Southamerican players we bought in the following years, instead of him, until we decided we don't buy any Southamericans anymore at all. We still don't btw, because the last one sat his house on fire and was recently released from jail. But we could have had Aguero .

I get the anger about last summer and the shit football this season. The meltdown and the crazy negative predictions for the future are ridiculous though, sorry to say that.

What on earth, who was that ?

 

[Balu]

What on earth, who was that ?

Breno. Promising centerback talent but he struggled with the language and the country, then he was injured all the time and became depressed. It's really a sad story.

 

[Siorac]

Isn't it a good sign for the future that the club actually does spend money just like other top clubs and that it was mainly about choosing the wrong players in the last years? There's at least hope that the club can't continue to make bad decisions forever and for example de Gea was a brilliant signing, fixed an important position for years, if not a whole decade or more, why shouldn't more of these transfers follow?

Just to give an example, how incredibly shit Bayern's scouting was not too long ago. We were interested in Aguero in 2006, Uli Hoeness flew to Argentina just to watch him play and decided he's a lazy fecker, we don't need him, then someone convinced him to give the player a second chance, so Magath, our manager at the time, had to go watch him. He told Hoeness, please never steal any of my time with such a useless player ever again. I can't even name all the useless Southamerican players we bought in the following years, instead of him, until we decided we don't buy any Southamericans anymore at all. We still don't btw, because the last one sat his house on fire and was recently released from jail. But we could have had Aguero .

I get the anger about last summer and the shit football this season. The meltdown and the crazy negative predictions for the future are ridiculous though, sorry to say that.

You bought Dante.

 

[Balu]

You bought Dante.

Yeah, I meant talents directly from Southamerica. Dante already felt at home in Germany, spoke German, so no problem with the transition. We completely stopped all scouting in Southamerica though and don't plan to start it again.

 

[OnlyTwoDaSilvas]

Fellaini was more expensive than Thiago.

Grim.

 

[TheGame]

Grim.

Only because he had a release clause.

 

[Red Stone]

Only because he had a release clause.

So did Fellaini. Didn't stop us from throwing an extra bag of money or two at Everton for old times sake.

 

[shaggy]

I still hold faith in our scouting department, but it seems like a refresh may be needed. There have been a few transfers that have gone ahead which kind are baffling on our behalf, and then some players which seemed like excellent buys we just seemed to ignore.

When Juventus got relegated I remember ferguson saying he would be interested in taking advantage of that. However nothing ever materialised and it makes me wonder what kind of criteria do we match up when deciding on transfer targets and then proceeding to bid etc..

Agree with that. Whoever picked up januzaj, pogba and hernandez... Good job. But a strange amount of quality overseas players have passed us by without us even making a bid.

 

[TheGame]

So did Fellaini. Didn't stop us from throwing an extra bag of money or two at Everton for old times sake.

That was a bit stupid but Moyes did say he was trying to get both Baines and Fellani but we should have just paid Fellani's initial clause price.

 

[Mainoldo]

That was a bit stupid but Moyes did say he was trying to get both Baines and Fellani but we should have just paid Fellani's initial clause price.

Don't type out what Moyes said because it was so stupid i don't know who believed it would work. Go for bothe because as a total you end up paying less than the buyout clause?!

 

[Sir A1ex]

Don't type out what Moyes said because it was so stupid i don't know who believed it would work. Go for bothe because as a total you end up paying less than the buyout clause?!

This is the main reason I'd love us to get Coentrao for £12m. That would mean £39m for him and Fellaini, which is not much over what we realistically could have expeceted to get Fellaini and Baines for. So we'd be back "in the black" on money wasted on transfers, and with a younger full-back than we'd originally planned.

 

[Paolo Di Canio]

Where the hell were our scouts when the likes of Aguero, Reus, Kompany, Hazard and Isco were coming up through the ranks? do we spend to long mulling over what kind of character they are or what?

 

[Irwinwastheking]

Where the hell were our scouts when the likes of Aguero, Reus, Kompany, Hazard and Isco were coming up through the ranks? do we spend to long mulling over what kind of character they are or what?

Read the Kompany thread on here about when he was about 16. It'll make you cry.

 

[Paolo Di Canio]

Read the Kompany thread on here about when he was about 16. It'll make you cry.

Any links??

 

[Irwinwastheking]

Any links??

There's a load of threads but this is the one that got me.

https://www.redcafe.net/threads/vincent-kompany.34605/

 

[Paolo Di Canio]

There's a load of threads but this is the one that got me.

https://www.redcafe.net/threads/vincent-kompany.34605/

Oh for god sake..that just goes to show we dont act fast enough with these talents, at 17 showing that level of ability and a head that big we shouldnt be arguing over a couple of hundred thousand ...one of our biggest mistakes IMO

 

[Sauxees Moi Hui]

Read the Kompany thread on here about when he was about 16. It'll make you cry.

To be fair, there were also plenty of threads here at the time about Anthony Vanden Borre. It's not always a given how these youngsters will turn out.