I agree with your overall point on weights, not precisely on that comparison. Unnecessary fouls in dangerous areas are a huge no-no. Granted, this is just "fouls", but the one thing that worries me most about Fellaini is precisely how he systematically fouls people.
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I agree with your overall point on weights, not precisely on that comparison. Unnecessary fouls in dangerous areas are a huge no-no. Granted, this is just "fouls", but the one thing that worries me most about Fellaini is precisely how he systematically fouls people.
But my point is that he doesn't do the defensive qualities well enough to be in the CM for us, Bender does all of the dirty work for him. Christ.
If you want him as a replacement for Carrick, then yes I could see that working. But if you want a partner for Carrick then no, it just doesn't work.
Carrick's best partnership at this club was next to Scholes, for crying out loud. You think Carrick is supposed to be the less defensive partner?! Gundogan is excellent defensively, and so is Carrick, albeit in a very different way to someone more combative like Bender. Together, they would have more than enough defensively. Certainly more than Carrick-Scholes ever did, and that combination won us the 2008 Champions League.
Moyes has stated that he wanted two outright CMs. A combative, defensive player and an all rounder, with attacking threat.
Gundogan would certainly seem to fit the latter description.
Is my thinking also. From what I've seen he also doesn't shy away from the combative side and so offers good options.
Say a player fouls 1.2 times a match, and another fouls 1.4 times a match, would that contribute to making the 1.2 foul player a better one defensively? Tell me that makes sense.
I know what you mean by fellaini's fouling but how many players have that problem to the detriment of their teams? Judging by the numbers, I'd say none on that list.
So basically, what I said we needed earlier in the thread? Morgan Schneiderlin and Ivan Rakitic. Case closed.
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Schneiderlin and Gundogan.
The combative, defensive player is Big Hair, Fabregas was supposed to be the attacking all rounder.
the Dortmund lad has proven his ability on the biggest stage, time and time again. He's been unreal for Dortmund but hey, let's go for a decent Southampton player and some no mark instead. Crazy.
the Dortmund lad has proven his ability on the biggest stage, time and time again. He's been unreal for Dortmund but hey, let's go for a decent Southampton player and some no mark instead. Crazy.
Boat. Push out.
So who fulfills the Brown-Ferdinand-Vidic-Evra and Ronaldo roles, you know the primary factors in winning that CL trophy?
I think Moyes would be wise focusing on getting someone like Bakley and slowly grooming into a box to box monster as opposed to trying to get a player that will never play for this club like Gundogan
By the summer Barkley would probably cost the same price. So what's more wise? Unless you feel he'll turn out better than Gundogan. Suppose there's always Ravel.
I see, so Scholes and Carrick were being carried when we were the best team in the world, were they? They weren't good enough, but we somehow scraped over the line thanks to the brilliance of the likes of Wes Brown and Owen Hargreaves?
Seriously, what is your point? Redsky was claiming that Gundogan is not good enough defensively to partner Carrick. I pointed out that the midfield of one of our best and most successful sides ever featured Carrick next to Scholes, who is obviously a far less defensively capable player than Gundogan. I struggle to see what problem you can have with that argument.
I agree. Gundogan is very capable at defending, more so than Scholes was, and he's a brilliant all round player. He would complement Carrick gracefully.
"He's a top player and the club are always interested in top players". Ok, Moyes hasn't said this yet but he will do. It's on, that's all I know.
I hope he rotund to his best quickly after injury.
Moyes plots double swoop on Dortmund for Reus and Gundogan with flop Kagawa returning to German club as makeweight
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...kay-Gundogan-Dortmund-swap-Shinji-Kagawa.html
I know its prob rubbish.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...kay-Gundogan-Dortmund-swap-Shinji-Kagawa.html
I know its prob rubbish.
It is actually pretty hilarious how poorly recherched so many football articles are. First of all the biggest joke is that many articles make it sound that Reus´ release clause is some kind of breaking news. This clause has been known for years. Not long after Reus´ transfer to Dortmund was announced in 2011 details about this clause reached the surface.
The first one to write about it was the "Ruhrnachrichten", a rather large local newspaper of the Ruhr region. Shortly after the "kicker" and the "Süddeutsche Zeitung" confirmed that. The first paper is hands down the most trustworthy source of informations outside the club itself for one simple reason: they are the official press partner of Borussia Dortmund. The two latter papers have each one extremely good informed reporter (Thomas Hennecke and Freddy Röckenhaus) in their ranks. Especially Röckenhaus is not only known for quality sports journalism (as rare as this has become) but also for having very close ties to Borussia Dortmund.
All three sources reported the exact same details of the clause: 35Mil €, starting 2015.
On top of that Dortmund´s CEO confirmed just last Sunday that while Reus remains the last Dortmund player with such a clause they have absolutely no intentions to agree for a transfer in the next summer. This in itself implies that the officials have the power to turn down deals in 2014, which would not be possible if the release clause would be already in effect then.
It'll take more than Gundogan to take us up that level. He would accommodate Fellaini well if he was to be utilized as a box-to-box midfielder, with Fellaini purely as a defensive midfielder. He's a good driving force Gundogan.
My mate tells me that BVB will sell this summer if Gundogan doesn't renew his deal. Has this been heard by anyone else? He's the sort of player we should be looking to.
He'd take us up a notch I reckon. Brilliant player.
I don't have a lot of faith that we could get him but he's exactly what we need so I hope we pull out all the stops and at least try.
I suspect we will enter a bidding war with Madrid and Barca.
Depending on his wished destination meaning a foreign club and not Bayern Munich the likelyhood for that is pretty high. In difference to Lewandowski´s case they have his replacement already in the squad and would only need a back up.
Right now, it is hard to predict what will happen, because Gündogan is unable get rid of his back problems and his comeback gets delayed more and more. According to some German reports the unresolved contract issue stems not only from Gündogan´s side but also from some reluctance by the Dortmund officials. It is pretty clear, that if Gündogan accepts a new contract he will become Dortmund´s top earner (at least until Reus is willing to accept a new contract without buy out clause) and his injury problems become more and more serious.
Given his current injury and the full return to top form by Nuri Sahin, which lessens the dependency of Dortmund on Gündogan a great deal the latter´s negotation position is actually not that good right now.
That would be beyond stupid. They should back him up as much as possible, tell him, they don't care if he struggles for a while, they need to make sure that he believes Dortmund is the one place in the world where he gets as much time as he needs to get back to his best. Use his problems to extend his contract, he's that big a talent, he's worth the risk (which isn't that big anyway with the German rules for continued payment for injured players).
Sorry Balu. I don't know how these rules work. What are they and how are they different from say, the rest of the EU (or La Liga/EPl more specifically?).
I've been in conversation with an informed poster in the newbs who is an avid Dortmund supporter. This guy is 100% sure Gundogan will leave next summer. He also explained that Gundogan's father and uncle are managing his career so it will more than likely be a very personal decision when deciding where to move to. Money will be important sure, but perhaps more important will be the prestige of the club, coach, style of football and opportunity to win the big trophies. That narrows down the field I'm sure.
I would at least like to think United would enquire as to whether there was any interest.
I would at least like to think United would enquire as to whether there was any interest.
If Madrid want him, then they hold a massive ace in the fact that his 'replacement' is a Madrid player (Nuri Sahin). If they decide to make things difficult with regards to Sahin joining Dortmund, Dortmund would be in a pickle. They would then have to find another replacement for Ilkay, one who is not settled there.
I don't think that's relevant because Dortmund has a clause in his contract allowing them to buy him for peanuts. Madrid can't do anything about it.
If Madrid want him then it's over. That's just the way it is.
Probably true.
Suppose we can just get Modric then. So we end up getting a better player.
I have a feeling, based on absolutely nothing, that you'll get him.
He'll end up in Madrid, with Alonso less reliable they'll need a midfielder.
So do you see one of Khedira, Modric, Illaramendi or Alonso moving to make way for him? I'm not questioning your opinion but just curious as to how they could fit him in. We should at least have some sort of stab at him, he is one of the top CMs at his age and has looked classy every time I have watched him.
Its important for dortmund to keep him. Him and Reus could help them transition to a new team. His impact is sorely missed whenever they have big games as he's one of the few in their line up that adds a bit of guile to their madness. If they do lose him they are going to have to get in an absolute stud of a midfielder ala kovacic and I doubt they'd be able to do that.
Possibly, but as we've seen with Madrid in the past, if someone better is out there then they'll go get them and leave the door open for the others to go. A midfielder might depend on how good Illaramendi is too. Definitely worth a stab though.
They'd be an extremely difficult option for Gundogan to turn down when you consider the team they're building. It'd be great to see him stay but games like today make you understand why players choose to leave, especially when others around you are going too and Lewandowski next to go. I'm sure Dortmund won't find it difficult finding another very good midfielder!
Alonso is on his way out. His contract runs up after this season.
While at Nurnberg he said - "playing for Manchester United would be a great thing to do one day." And he has also said "Everyone has a childhood dream on what he would like to achieve one day and my dream always was to play in England or Spain."
I'd like to think we had a chance if he was available, even if Madrid or Barca want him.
I'd like to think we had a chance if he was available, even if Madrid or Barca want him.
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