Álvaro Morata | Chelsea player

[pacifictheme]

Is he first choice up front for Italy?

I don't think hes ever scored a goal for them. Over rated. Don't want.

 

[Hawks2008]

Considering Madrid recently payed €46m for an untested 16 year old, €70m for this guy seems a steal.

 

[devilish]

Bayern, like Juventus, are very good at jumping on opportunities to sign good players on the cheap when they present themselves. But both clubs are in a position to be patient and wait for these opportunities. They already have a very strong and stable squad that doesn't need major work. We don't have that luxury, we need players now no matter the cost. We need to build a squad that is on par with them, and then we can be more relaxed in our approach to strengthening each summer. Of course, it would also help if players from our rivals ran down their contracts to join us, like Dortmund players do to join Bayern.

Bayern and Juventus has the luxury to cherry pick any player in their own country. Both Germans and Italians don't like to go abroad so most talented players in the Serie A/German league ends up in Juventus/Bayern. We don't have that luxury

 

[roonster09]

You're a braver man than me

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[antohan]

Bayern are swimming in cash too yet manage not to overpay usually.

Go back to 2002. United are the richest and more successful club in a country were most players don't quite fancy going abroad and instead aspire to join that one club. For the last ten years someone with a safe job and a long term outlook has been in charge of transfers so you have a great squad, coherently put together and only needing a few key signings every season. Bliss.

That's Bayern for you except the German pool is better quality. No random oligarchs, sheikhs, American magnates/groups or chicken retailers fecking about with the status quo.

 

[liamp]

Bailly wasn't cheap for an unproven and largely unknown player, Mkhi was quite expensive for a player that was on a contract running out.

Morgan and Memphis were sold for alot less than what we paid for them. In that regard you can chalk them up with most of our outgoing transfers. We sold Di Maria for 20m less than what we bought him for after 1 year, another one of those great value deals (for PSG)...

Bailly was not really unknown. He made 25 appearances for Villareal as a 21/22 year old the season before we signed him. It's not like we plucked him from the Eredivisie or the Belgian First Division. He may not have been widely known on the cafe, but he was a pretty prominent young talent.

 

[antohan]

Bayern and Juventus has the luxury to cherry pick any player in their own country. Both Germans and Italians don't like to go abroad so most talented players in the Serie A/German league ends up in Juventus/Bayern. We don't have that luxury

We do/did, the problem is British players are comparatively crap and since Roman arrived all sorts of wallet happy owners have landed.

Italy already looks like the latter will change, but not Germany.

 

[Ramshock]

Jesus christ, goes to show the state of this place

You went meta and you didnt even realize it

 

[antohan]

Bailly wasn't cheap for an unproven and largely unknown player, Mkhi was quite expensive for a player that was on a contract running out.

Morgan and Memphis were sold for alot less than what we paid for them. In that regard you can chalk them up with most of our outgoing transfers. We sold Di Maria for 20m less than what we bought him for after 1 year, another one of those great value deals (for PSG)...

Players that don't work out leave for less than they arrive? Shocking.

 

[Hernandez - BFA]

This will be done once all the Internationals finish.

 

[liamp]

Bayern and Juventus has the luxury to cherry pick any player in their own country. Both Germans and Italians don't like to go abroad so most talented players in the Serie A/German league ends up in Juventus/Bayern. We don't have that luxury

That argument doesn't hold water for Bayern. In their squad, there are 18 players who made 15 or more appearances this year. Of those 18, only 5 are German. Of those 5, 2 are youth products (Muller, Lahm). So, a total of 3 German players of significance for them who they've plucked from other sides. That's actually less than us with Rooney, Smalling, Jones, Shaw, Carrick, and Young...all of whom are English products purchased at prime value from other English clubs.

Go back to 2002. United are the richest and more successful club in a country were most players don't quite fancy going abroad and instead aspire to join that one club. For the last ten years someone with a safe job and a long term outlook has been in charge of transfers so you have a great squad, coherently put together and only needing a few key signings every season. Bliss.

That's Bayern for you except the German pool is better quality. No random oligarchs, sheikhs, American magnates/groups or chicken retailers fecking about with the status quo.

This is absolutely correct.

 

[sun_tzu]

Vidal 37 million euros, Alonso 9 million, Lewandowski free, Hummels 35 millions, Thiago 25 millions, Götze 37 millions. They simply never pay overprices, local or not. I don't know how they do it but i would like to know.

How much did they spunk on Sanchez?

 

[luke511]

Go back to 2002. United are the richest and more successful club in a country were most players don't quite fancy going abroad and instead aspire to join that one club. For the last ten years someone with a safe job and a long term outlook has been in charge of transfers so you have a great squad, coherently put together and only needing a few key signings every season. Bliss.

That's Bayern for you except the German pool is better quality. No random oligarchs, sheikhs, American magnates/groups or chicken retailers fecking about with the status quo.

haha ffs, poor Blackburn

 

[MThomas]

He is absolutley spot on

Manchester United has absolutley no negotiation skills in the market. If we want a player we always end up overpaying massively for him whilst when selling one of our players we never seem to get a good price for them.

Everybody also seems to know it and abuses it to skin us from top to bottom.

I like Morata, I really do, I think we need him but he isn't worth €73m let alone €90m

Also Perisic, I like him, but he isn't worth €55m

Not in a world where Man City can sign up Bernardo for €50m or Auba goes for €70m to PSG. United always overpays and on the outgoing front, it is the reverse. I can guarantee you that when DDG leaves, the fee will be laughable just like any other fee we ever got for ougoing players. For feck sake, we sold Real Madrid the best player in the world (Ronaldo) for about as much as we are going to pay them for Morata, a player they don't need and sits on their bench...

United is worthless in negotiating.

I'm slightly fecking confused if this is a joke or if you are actually being serious.

 

[antohan]

You went meta and you didnt even realize it

I did, it was so accurate I added the bit on Woody plucking his targets off Redcafe polls to avoid confusion. Seems that was too subtle a sarcy alert for silly season

 

[MThomas]

That argument doesn't hold water for Bayern. In their squad, there are 18 players who made 15 or more appearances this year. Of those 18, only 5 are German. Of those 5, 2 are youth products (Muller, Lahm). So, a total of 3 German players of significance for them who they've plucked from other sides. That's actually less than us with Rooney, Smalling, Jones, Shaw, Carrick, and Young...all of whom are English products purchased at prime value from other English clubs.



This is absolutely correct.

If you take a quick look at where they sign players from, the vast majority are signed from other german clubs.

 

[NoPace]

I'm not surprised the fee is high:

-Scored goals at a high per minutes rate consistently his entire career (limited time, but 4 good bench seasons in a row

-Very clever hold up player who can play alone up top

-He's 24, 6'3 and good in the air, and taller strikers good in the air seem to peak late in their careers, which makes sense as we're talking about a central position/style and one where the value lies in strength and positioning rather than pace (same reason DMs, CBs, and keepers peak latest and wingers and fullbacks relying on pace peak early)

 

[devilish]

We do/did, the problem is British players are comparatively crap and since Roman arrived all sorts of wallet happy owners have landed.

Italy already looks like the latter will change, but not Germany.

True but that says part of the story. The other side of the story is that its becoming very difficult to buy British talent without spending a fortune. Clubs like Tottenham and Arsenal can afford sending United or Chelsea to feck off quite easily even though the former offered 60m-100m for their players. Juventus/Bayern don't have that issue

 

[Paxi]

Just out of curiosity, now that were talking about transfers, how in a name of feck did AC Milan manage to sign Kessie on a two year loan with an option to buy? Imagine us going in for any PL player and asking for a 2 year loan.

 

[ROFLUTION]

Thats also an art, to get at the end of chances. 17 goals from Morata in the league wouldnt be good enough if he plays most games. He scored almost for Madrid as many as a dub mostly. I expect something in the twenties

Costa had a great season and scored 20 - that would be an okay season for Morata.. One man can't save the World. Others need to chip in too.

 

[ivaldo]

I didn't if someone could update me but has Hoddle had Lallana's baby yet?

 

[devilish]

That argument doesn't hold water for Bayern. In their squad, there are 18 players who made 15 or more appearances this year. Of those 18, only 5 are German. Of those 5, 2 are youth products (Muller, Lahm). So, a total of 3 German players of significance for them who they've plucked from other sides. That's actually less than us with Rooney, Smalling, Jones, Shaw, Carrick, and Young...all of whom are English products purchased at prime value from other English clubs.



This is absolutely correct.

A big chunk of Bayern's team is made of either homegrown talent or players coming from German clubs. That tells half the story though. Successful clubs who had been dominating the league for quite some time attract attention. Take Juventus as an example. Rhese days, most Italian/Serie A based players would sell their mom to slavery to play with Juventus. That means that Juventus can cherry pick among Italy's top young talent and they can afford treating them a bit like shite by loaning them around and forget about them until they might be useful.

 

[liamp]

If you take a quick look at where they sign players from, the vast majority are signed from other german clubs.

Of those 18 players, 4 were purchased from other German clubs (Lewa, Kimmich, Neuer, Hummels). Again, fewer than us.

I understand why people are quick to downplay Bayern because of their dominance, but these narratives that are in place for them just don't make sense. They're able to attract players regardless of nationality and league because they're an unbelievably well run organization that pays well and can be depended on to compete at the highest level every season.

 

[prath92]

Just out of curiosity, now that were talking about transfers, how in a name of feck did AC Milan manage to sign Kessie on a two year loan with an option to buy? Imagine us going in for any PL player and asking for a 2 year loan.

I read that this was only a book transaction (the loan). They start payment right now.

 

[Paxi]

I read that this was only a book transaction (the loan). They start payment right now.

Sorry how does that work? I've never heard of that.

 

[483972]

Premier league TV money:
United, 16/17(5th): £143m.
Newcastle, 11/12(5th): £54 m.

A £30m(55% of 11/12 premier league money) player 5 years ago would be the equivalent of a £79m(55% of 16/17 premier league money) player today.
£70m for Morata? Seems pretty cheap to me

 

[liamp]

Premier league TV money:
United, 16/17(5th): £143m.
Newcastle, 11/12(5th): £54 m.

A £30m(55% of 11/12 premier league money) player 5 years ago would be the equivalent of a £79m(55% of 16/17 premier league money) player today.
£70m for Morata? Seems pretty cheap to me

???

 

[MThomas]

Of those 18 players, 4 were purchased from other German clubs (Lewa, Kimmich, Neuer, Hummels). Again, fewer than us.

I understand why people are quick to downplay Bayern because of their dominance, but these narratives that are in place for them just don't make sense. They're able to attract players regardless of nationality and league because they're an unbelievably well run organization that pays well and can be depended on to compete at the highest level every season.

who gives a blinding feck about "those 18 players", like all of this is based on one fecking season. Jesus fecking christ.

 

[liamp]

who gives a blinding feck about "those 18 players", like all of this is based on one fecking season. Jesus fecking christ.

Yes, who gives a feck about the Bayern squad when talking about Bayern.

 

[MThomas]

Yes, who gives a feck about the Bayern squad when talking about Bayern.

Christ. You're one clever little fecker

 

[Pexbo]

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That's funny because I googled him a few days ago. So much salt when we let him go and he's 25 now and hardly pulling up trees at Torino.

 

[Paxi]

New video folks.

Also could I have new tagline maybe? Something like 'I love Alvaro dearly' That could definitely work...

 

[Hardy Jay]

There is no such thing as overpaying when it's a supply and demand market.

If you walk into a shop and pay £100 for a fecking Mars bar, then you're overpaying. I do not know how people do not understand this elementary thing.

We need a good striker but good strikers are hard to come by. So we have to pay the premium price, because, you know, a good striker is not a fecking chocolate bar and you can just pick one up at your local corner shop.

Real Madrid hold all the cards as they do not need to sell so they can name their price. What the feck do expect Perez to do? Gift wrap the cnut and give him to us for €30 million euro as gesture of good will?

When you get passed all that, you have to realise that every single person who knows who Manchester United are, knows that we're swimming in fecking cash. Like drowing in gold ffs. What do you experts expect the selling clubs to do? Just fecking give their commodities to us for a fecking rock bottom price. Thats not how it works. It really doesn't take a genius to work this out cause I'm fecking ain't!

This. Great post. Worth swimming in all the noises in this thread.
Economic 101. Learn it moaners!

 

[Dave_MUFC]

Just out of curiosity, now that were talking about transfers, how in a name of feck did AC Milan manage to sign Kessie on a two year loan with an option to buy? Imagine us going in for any PL player and asking for a 2 year loan.

It's not an option to buy, it's a compulsory buy after the 2 year loan is up. Essentially done to avoid FFP issues, so it doesn't count as a permanent transfer this season. Seems to happen all the time in Serie A, although I guess we don't do that because we will never have the issues of struggling to keep within FFP.

 

[Paxi]

It's not an option to buy, it's a compulsory buy after the 2 year loan is up. Essentially done to avoid FFP issues, so it doesn't count as a permanent transfer this season. Seems to happen all the time in Serie A, although I guess we don't do that because we will never have the issues of struggling to keep within FFP.

Fair enough. Decent loop hole that. Cheers for the info anyway.

 

[Zoo]

 

[AndyJ1985]

Candena SER are reliable from what I remember of past transfer windows?

 

[Zoo]

Candena SER are reliable from what I remember of past transfer windows?

Yeah very reliable.

 

[Paxi]

Candena SER are reliable from what I remember of past transfer windows?

Yup.

 

[Dante]

Yeah, but Richard Keys isn't.