Happy with this one. Think he has a lot of potential.
Álvaro Morata | Chelsea player
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I didn't say cheap I said good deals. 30m for a good young CB and 26m for a top player.
As for selling players who don't even get minutes for your club, well of course they are going to be sold for less, but Morgan and Memphis were good deals.
EDIT: anyway wrong thread for this
If the other club will not bring the price down then you have to pay the asking price. I am sure Ed would like to spend less, but this is a player Jose wants and Real are in the driving seat, not us. They own the player. Who knows what Real asked for him off the record, it could have been even more, might has included DDG. This way we hopefully are keeping our goalkeeper and getting a striker who we badly need.
That is not true.
But all the other outlets have said that the fee is 70m Euros. Either way we've no confirmation about the fees, but latching on the highest touted fee just to stir some reactions is wrong.
People complaining about the transfer fee are not thinking objectively.
It's open knowledge that United are one of richest clubs in football, with revenue streams that's among the highest in the world. It is also open knowledge that unlike Real Madrid, for example, our squad is well short of proper quality players and the club has been through a relatively, by our standards, lean spell in terms of success.
This three factors contribute a lot to how transfers play out for us.
It's open knowledge that United are one of richest clubs in football, with revenue streams that's among the highest in the world. It is also open knowledge that unlike Real Madrid, for example, our squad is well short of proper quality players and the club has been through a relatively, by our standards, lean spell in terms of success.
This three factors contribute a lot to how transfers play out for us.
Ed's idea of negotiation:
Ed: I'll give you €50m
Other Chairman: We want €70m
Ed: €60m
Other Chairman: €70m
Ed: €70m final offer!
Other Chairman: OK, you drive a hard bargain.
The obsession this place has over 'value' is ridiculous. Who gives a shit if we overpay here and there by 5 or 10 or 15 million? We aren't going bankrupt. The only thing we should concern ourselves with is whether the player is a success.
Bailly case - Cheap considering Citeh signed con artist Stones (who may or may not be WC but thats different story) and Mangala, both close to 50 each.
Morgan and Memphis case - Good deals considering in the not that distant past, United sold Nani very cheaply. Both Morgan and Memphis were sold for good fees where they didn't play that much. I think compared to Morata, both are more apt as "reserve player" as many has touted here. Especially Memphis, where in the past United had troubles dealing with them to get good deals for their players.
So, for the rumoured 64 mils, it should be good middle point for United and Real.
It doesn't seem like it now because as you say it'll be the 6th highest transfer, but the outlook could be different at the end of the window. Look at the numbers being bandied around elsewhere, 70m for Aubamayeng, 60-70m for VVD (If LFC didn't mess it up), 100m+ for Mbappe etc.
Ours would be just one of the first to materialise, but the reality is that these sorts of prices will be paid whether we sign Morata or not. The price is riduculously high, yes there's no denying that. BUT that doesn't equate to overpaying, because it's all in the context of the market and this price is about right for what we're getting. A good player will potential to become a very good if not great player. Even Madrid themselves as someone else mentioned have just dropped about 40m on a 16 year old.
Another one that grinds my gears is "resale value". What the what? United are trying to assemble a good team at least, not opening car dealerships. Oh wait... Chevy
Tee hee
Spot on.
It's proper weird. There's also another myth that if we overpay for one player, we have no fund left for other positions. We just paid a guy 300k a week to have him on our bench for half the season FFS. As long as the manager got his wish and ticket price doesn't rise (it has been frozen for years), and the club's finances remain healthy, why the feck would you moan?
Great signing and the fact we keep De Gea makes it even better.
Luckily it's the other way round with sponsorship deals.
AM9.
9AM? Taking defenders to school...
Fair point, I'm sure our Spanish contingent makes us all the more desireable.
He will? When was this announced?
Regarding those people that are saying we're overpaying a bench player.
It's true, there's no denying it, but he's a bench warmer that's playing for currently the best team in the world so that plus the fact that the Madrid don't really want to see him go has a way of raising the price.
It's true, there's no denying it, but he's a bench warmer that's playing for currently the best team in the world so that plus the fact that the Madrid don't really want to see him go has a way of raising the price.
They love Morata on the juventuz forums. Had a wee look and they all think and hope he will do well.
Had a look on RAWK they're under the impression that he will be a good signing too.
Some shed enders prefer him to Lukaku.
All in all everyone is seemed to be in agreement that we've got a good player.
Had a look on RAWK they're under the impression that he will be a good signing too.
Some shed enders prefer him to Lukaku.
All in all everyone is seemed to be in agreement that we've got a good player.
I was questioning my sanity there for a while.
thought I would save you the trouble of reading the majority of the previous pages where some people actually thought he was Italian and the rest of us ran with it
He is a very good player, no doubt about that. Far happier with him than Bellotti if the prices were similar. Deadly finisher, great technique, and we shoujld be getting th e best version of him.
The problem is that once we're indentified as a high paying club every single transfer negotiation is going to look like this. Every single club we get in contact with is going to milk us for extra cash. Personally I dont rate Morata that much but this transfer value thing is not his fault. Nor was it Pogba's but he's a better player in his respective position in my opinion
Yeah but then people have to try and survive the "banter" from their arsenal supporting mates, or the memes from troll football about how much money United is spending. Literally the only reason people concern themselves about how much money we spend is because they're concerned about what fans of other teams say.
Other than that, the club is aware of how much money we can spend. If they think a player is worth it and we spend the money, rest assured that the club isn't taking some gamble on this player that will cause the club to fold if it doesn't work out.
Isn't that the case already tho?
Would prefer to throw an extra £30m+ at Bayern for Lewandowski but if he's not available then I think Morata is the next best option. His all round game is very good and he's great in the air, and at a good age too. Very happy with this signing if it all goes through, couldn't care less about the price.
Still hoping that we can add James Rodriguez to the squad though.
Still hoping that we can add James Rodriguez to the squad though.
Need more tweets...
we negotiate very well imo. Last year the rumour was Juve owed 20% of his fees to Raiola and Raiola wanted a 25m agent fees on top. So apparently La Stampa and all were going hard on the 120m (so that Juve gets their 100m) and 25m on top of that meaning the fees were 145m in total. Later it turned out Ed made Juve pay the fees and Juve even paid Pogba money for a house in Manchester and Total cost to united was 100m only
Was talking to a Madrid fan friend yesterday and told me that Morata is more of a target man but due to his age and pace he can also be really useful in the counter.
I think this will benefit Jose a lot. Zlatan was a target man and benefited us in our play style against parked buses teams but he wasn't that good when we played on the counter due to his lack of pace. Morata will serve Jose in both styles and give our attack some sort of unpredictability.
He mayn't score 30 goals in the league but I'm sure he'll help his other teammates to enter the game, spreading goals on all the forward players and make our play unpredictable.
Really optimistic about him.
About 47,500,000,000,000,000,000,000,000
(Caveat, I did it in my head so might be slightly out)
The problem with James, despite his quality, is that we have too many playmaker/advanced midfielder/winger options, with Mkhitaryan, Mata and Lingard. I'm not seeing us buying 4 players, two forwards and a winger plus a playmaker, just on the attack.
There is no such thing as overpaying when it's a supply and demand market.
If you walk into a shop and pay £100 for a fecking Mars bar, then you're overpaying. I do not know how people do not understand this elementary thing.
We need a good striker but good strikers are hard to come by. So we have to pay the premium price, because, you know, a good striker is not a fecking chocolate bar and you can just pick one up at your local corner shop.
Real Madrid hold all the cards as they do not need to sell so they can name thier price. What the feck do expect Perez to do? Gift wrap the cnut and give him to us for €30 million euro as gesture of good will?
When you get passed all that, you have to realise that every single person who knows who Manchester United are, knows that we're swimming in fecking cash. Like drowing in gold ffs. What do you experts expect the selling clubs to do? Just fecking give their commodities to us for a fecking rock bottom price. Thats not how it works. It really doesn't take a genius to work this out cause I'm fecking ain't!
If you walk into a shop and pay £100 for a fecking Mars bar, then you're overpaying. I do not know how people do not understand this elementary thing.
We need a good striker but good strikers are hard to come by. So we have to pay the premium price, because, you know, a good striker is not a fecking chocolate bar and you can just pick one up at your local corner shop.
Real Madrid hold all the cards as they do not need to sell so they can name thier price. What the feck do expect Perez to do? Gift wrap the cnut and give him to us for €30 million euro as gesture of good will?
When you get passed all that, you have to realise that every single person who knows who Manchester United are, knows that we're swimming in fecking cash. Like drowing in gold ffs. What do you experts expect the selling clubs to do? Just fecking give their commodities to us for a fecking rock bottom price. Thats not how it works. It really doesn't take a genius to work this out cause I'm fecking ain't!
I reckon so.
By overpaying we add to the standard of overpaying for every other player in the future, which means we can't afford to make our squad as good as possible. Even Utd have a limited transfer budget.
People going on about the price, yes it is allot but Real know we desperately need a top striker and they also know we have plenty of money so they were never going to let him go on the cheap. They don't need the money and they don't need to sell so it was always going to be expensive, but if he does well who cares. Pogba was expensive but he's a key player and the better our team gets the cheaper future transfers will be as we only need slight tweaks, striker isn't a tweak it's a key buy.
If only the same could be said of the good ol' caf
Aye the irony is something. All opposing fans like the signing whilst parts of our support are fecking raving lunatics that want Messi Ronaldo Dybala for a fecking fiver!
They really love him on Juventuz.
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