This. So many fans want to both have the cake and eat it.
Álvaro Morata | Chelsea player
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And you think Morata is dying to play for us? We're just giving him match time, which he won't get at Real, otherwise he won't leave simple as.
It's like this would you prefer to have young C. Ronaldo for 5-6 years or say Mkhitaryan for 10?
I get why some aren't that enthusiastic but when I look at the other options I think he's the wise choice, plus Mourinho and him know each other so he should adapt easy enough to the managers demands.
Aubameyang - The most proven option available but his hold-up play isn't great and there are attitude concerns.
Lukaku - He's got a good PL goal scoring record but he's technically average at best and lacks the movement and hold-up play of a Jose #9.
Belotti - Good off both feet and in the air, but technically raw and inexperienced
Lacazette - Proven consistency in Ligue 1, fast and strong, his only weakness for a Jose #9 might be his height.
the likes of Lewandwoski, Kane and Cavani were never going to happen IMO, it's a narrow market for striker options.
Aubameyang - The most proven option available but his hold-up play isn't great and there are attitude concerns.
Lukaku - He's got a good PL goal scoring record but he's technically average at best and lacks the movement and hold-up play of a Jose #9.
Belotti - Good off both feet and in the air, but technically raw and inexperienced
Lacazette - Proven consistency in Ligue 1, fast and strong, his only weakness for a Jose #9 might be his height.
the likes of Lewandwoski, Kane and Cavani were never going to happen IMO, it's a narrow market for striker options.
i'm hoping pogba gets #10
Well. Is he good enough?
Straightforward chance-taker. Nothing special on the eye but could get a hatful.
And you couldn't grasp we were talking about Mourinho? You can backtrack as much as you like, your entire argument about Jose being a poor judge of player is based on Moyes. Let that sink in for a moment. No comment about the actual players Mourinho has re-signed?
Again, you cant identify a single player who has the same qualities as Morata but will cost us £30mil. Nor can I, Mourinho, his staff or any other person for that matter. Wonder why?
The 'value' approach is to some extent responsible for our decline in recent time. We need to start building a world class squad under Jose now and that'll require significant expenditure on what we require for some time to come. Ofcourse there will still be relative value to be found along the way, but we will need to pay top dollar for our needs.
Once we have a squad that is capable of putting us on par with the best again, then we can look at just adding one or two high quality players every year, but for now this so called over paying for perceived quality seems like a necessary evil
Once we have a squad that is capable of putting us on par with the best again, then we can look at just adding one or two high quality players every year, but for now this so called over paying for perceived quality seems like a necessary evil
Just what we need.
Reckon we will save 7 for Griezmann. Besides, we aren't going to sign a number 9 and not give him the number 9 shirt.
Think the issue is both his fee and his ability. For example if you go for ability from the above list only Auba is better option for me(discarding Lewa since it's not going to happen) and possibly Mbappe if he's available and wants to come to us of course. Auba seems to be a better fit ability wise as he's the better striker and more proven(likely to go for smaller fee).
The second is Morata's fee and likely that you have strikers at around the same level (Lacazette) who would come cheaper and use the resource left elsewhere.
I don't like the second option as we need a top forward rather to go for cheaper alternatives. I'm just boggled that when Auba is available we're not going for him, that's all.
Either way even if we go over the odds on Morata I'll be happy to get him rather than Belotti, Lukaku, Kane, Cavani, etc..
When have I said mourinho is a poor judge of players? Did you stop reading my posts in your zealousness to be a top-red?
Morata is going to cost us north of 60m, not 30m. So why are we talking the same qualities as morata but for 30m?
let me ask you something, do you believe a) we are overpaying for morata and b) the signing represents a significant risk?
Posters claiming that they would be a better negotiator than Ed Woodward should turn off their computers and go outside for a bit.
Absolutely laughable.
Absolutely laughable.
Think we have been desperate for the next Ronaldo as well. We struck it unbelievably lucky there. Found a gem. Someone not completely unknown but would be turned into a world star. Who would elevate us back to the top. We are still looking.
Well given that Morata has worked with Jose before and knows how Pogba plays I think he'll be keen to join us. Mbappe is unobtainable.
The comparisons to Ronaldo are extremely daft. Extremely.
Eyes, how do they work?
Eyes, how do they work?
Posters claiming that they can identify a manager better than SAF should turn off their computers and go outside for a bit.
Absolutely laughable #allhailmoyes
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Yeah but things change mate. Jose might not be with us for more than 2-3 years for example so Morata would be just likely to leave as Mbappe for example(if he comes and then goes to Real/Barca).
Don't get me wrong. Looking at the market Morata is a fine choice. I've used the Spanish Welbeck term myself but moreso in jest (although Italian Welbeck is catching up these days)
. He'll improve our attack and as an overall package and fit is a great choice for Mourinho. The only objective I have is Auba and the lack of interest we have on that front. Of course there are multiple factors such as we have made contact and he's not interested or something, but I find it really surprising we haven't been linked heavily so far with him.Exactly, posts like that are so ridiculous. It's a forum ffs, people are here to voice their opinions
Will be much cheaper than Lukaku, so not sure point of this post. Any striker we sign, that club would be laughing to the bank.
Its like Jose has never won anything
If you can drive a hard bargain with the lady-boys of Pat-Pong and always walk away happy; it entitles you to think that you know better than Ed Woodward. I bet Woodie has never done that before.
So i take it there will be no further news till Monday as it's the weekend?
Yeah but things change mate. Jose might not be with us for more than 2-3 years for example so Morata would be just likely to leave as Mbappe for example(if he comes and then goes to Real/Barca).
Don't get me wrong. Looking at the market Morata is a fine choice. I've used the Spanish Welbeck term myself but moreso in jest (although Italian Welbeck is catching up these days)
The lack of Auba activity is probably due to him really wanting to play for Real. Wasn't there a thing about promising his dad he'd play for them and he recently passed away (maybe I'm making that up, but it's definitely his dream). I don't know an awful lot about him to be honest like style of play etc, but I'll settle for Morata easily.
I say that Mbappe is unobtainable but secretly at the back of my mind I know I would lose my s**t if, by some miracle, he signed for us next year or something.
I like and rate Auba as well, but Jose would have to change how he likes his #9 to play and indeed the whole team, to make him work. Auba thrives in a free flowing attack minded set up where running in behind is his main duty, for Jose the #9 needs to be good with his back to goal first and foremost, which is why I can see him favouring Morata.
I'm not particularly fond of how Jose likes his teams to play, but he's here for now and thus we'll buy to his tastes and with that in mind I can see Morata as the best fit from what is out there, which admittedly isn't a lot in terms of really proven options.
I agree. But he has a point. Negotiations like these are likely very complex with a variety of difficulties. It's not only a financial aspect, but also strengthening the squad with the players the manager actually wants. If we could not land Morata because we couldn't agree a price, we would move on to another target which also would be expensive and not our managers first choice. Let's not forget other clubs are well aware of the money machine that is Man Utd, and will do their utmost to make us pay premium price.
160m will get you one Mbappe at most. An 18 year old, albeit impressive, but only had 1 season under his belt. He had also declared his love for Real Madrid in public and will no way stay in Man Utd when RM comes calling. Arsenal won't sell us Sanchez on a cheap too, after what happened to RVP. They can sell Sanchez to Bayern easily unless we outbid them heavily. Mbappe + Sanchez would easily cost more than 220+m, which will probably be all of our transfer budget.
On Auba, think his Real dream is over as the won't go for him considering they have Mbappe on the radar. Seems PSG bound as for some reason City are not pushing for him this year either.
I'd love Mbappe obviously and IMO we can rival Real and the likes with money so probably we have a chance. Him and Lemar is worth blank check in a sense how much will they improve us.
Negotiating for a player is different to thinking a manager is a suitable candidate. SAF picking Moyes was based on some intangible qualities he deemed worthy. Every manager is chosen based on some essentially intangible qualities. Tactical acumen, motivating players etc are not a number you see on a paper, so you can say someone's assessment may be wrong.
Negotiating for a player is completely different. These are hard figures on paper. We don't know all the details of how transfer negotiation is done, and we most certainly never know all the details of any of these contracts. These are physical real things, not intangible qualities. Unless we know what actually goes on in these negotiations, and what the contracts actually entail, then I don't see how you can say united aren't good at negotiations.
Negotiating for a player is completely different. These are hard figures on paper. We don't know all the details of how transfer negotiation is done, and we most certainly never know all the details of any of these contracts. These are physical real things, not intangible qualities. Unless we know what actually goes on in these negotiations, and what the contracts actually entail, then I don't see how you can say united aren't good at negotiations.
He will rip it up with us next season.
If he takes 9 rather than 7 it'll be a major clue that Griezmann is on next year. He wears 7 for Spain so no reason for him not to wear it here, unless we're saving it for someone else.
Some of the posters on here baffle me about their opinion of Morata. Morata was given his first opportunity by Mourinho and secondly, his link up play with Pogba is excellent since their time at Juve. Thirdly, you could almost think of Morata like a taller version of a 23-24 year old Fernando Torres who was excellent as well. I think he's good enough to lead the line. He's a goal scorer and he's a great option to have. With that being said, I think Jose will be trying to add another striker. If we try and get Sanchez or Griezmann, that would just be amazing; specifically Sanchez because he can play in forward three along side Morata or behind him as well. We wouldn't need to buy Perisic even.
Yeah I know where you are coming from. Don't want to sound negative. Morata is a fine choice, what makes Auba better is that he's the better finisher and more explosive, especially in his first couple of steps., which essentially means that we'll be more clinical up front with him compared to Morata, whose goal output is not that spectacular.
Good age, be interested to see how he gets on.
Contrary to his previous stats, this guy has 20 goal a season striker written all over him in my opinion..
Spain are playing in Macedonia tomorrow night. If all this is true then presume he will fly to Manchester after the game.
He will because he isn't having to compete with a Ronaldo who is given most chances when playing. We will be feeding Morata. At Real he is feeding off scraps and does it pretty well.
but he has a point we do overpay for a lot of players and don't get enough for out going players, and you don't need to be a veteran CEO with years of negotiating skills to see that?
the missus give you some shit about doing some diy over the week end or something?
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