Álvaro Morata | Chelsea player

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DomesticTadpole said:
He will because he isn't having to compete with a Ronaldo who is given most chances when playing. We will be feeding Morata. At Real he is feeding off scraps and does it pretty well.
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It's not just chances, it's positions. Ronaldo dominates that attack
 
MJJ said:
When have I said mourinho is a poor judge of players? Did you stop reading my posts in your zealousness to be a top-red?

Morata is going to cost us north of 60m, not 30m. So why are we talking the same qualities as morata but for 30m?

let me ask you something, do you believe a) we are overpaying for morata and b) the signing represents a significant risk?
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Unfortunately I've read your logic defying dribble. You're comparing him to Moyes? How could you possibly use that comparable if you thought he was a good judge of players? It's really not that complicated.

Because thats what the original assessment of his value was given in the thread you bundled your way into.

In the current market and with all variables taken into consideration then it's what we would expect. It's a risk, as is any transfer, but he's clearly a very talented player, has 10 years of top level football left in him and Mourinho knows him well. That makes it a calculated risk. In times like that I trust the world class manager and not the poster who keeps referencing these make beleive unicorns he doesn't even know the names of.

See how I answered your question and didn't ignore it repeatedly? Return the favour. Why are you using Moyes transfer record to justify Mourinho's, and when I've directed you to the players Mourinho have re-signed why have you just ignored it? Name all these players with the same attributes as Morata that are significantly better value for money.
 
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MJJ said:
When have I said mourinho is a poor judge of players? Did you stop reading my posts in your zealousness to be a top-red?

Morata is going to cost us north of 60m, not 30m. So why are we talking the same qualities as morata but for 30m?

let me ask you something, do you believe a) we are overpaying for morata and b) the signing represents a significant risk?
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Until we know exactly how much we're paying for Morata (if the deal gets finalized, never count your chickens before they hatch etc.), it's pointless to argue about it. Every signing is a risk.
 
JohnnyKills said:
If he takes 9 rather than 7 it'll be a major clue that Griezmann is on next year. He wears 7 for Spain so no reason for him not to wear it here, unless we're saving it for someone else.
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IIRC the articles about Griezmann being off were sure to specify it was only for this window, and that we still want to bring him here after their ban.

But yeah, I just think 9 suits morata even if we had 7 available for him. He'd be our main striker and it just fits.
 
ivaldo said:
Unfortunately I've read your logic defying dribble. You're comparing him to Moyes? How could you possibly use that comparable if you thought he was a good judge of players? It's really not that complicated.

Because thats what the original assessment of his value was given in the thread you bundled your way into.

In the current market and with all variables taken into consideration then it's what we would expect. It's a risk, as is any transfer, but he's clearly a very talented player, has 10 years of top level football left in him and Mourinho knows him well. That makes it a calculated risk. In times like that I trust the world class manager and not the poster who keeps referencing these make beleive unicorns he doesn't even know the names of.

See how I answered your question and didn't ignore it repeatedly? Return the favour. Why are you using Moyes transfer record to justify Mourinho's, and when I've directed you to the players Mourinho have re-signed why have you just ignored it? Name all these players with the same attributes as Morata that are significantly better value for money.
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How about this, point me where I even commented on mourinho's transfer record or said he was poor at signing transfers and I will do that. You posted a world of drivel to justify the strawman you made up and am sorry, but paying 64m+ for a player with one good season isnt what I or any sane person would expect.
 
If we get Morata for £64m then I don't actually think we're overpaying. He's being signed to be a £64m player and if he does as well as he's capable of he'll prove to be worth the money.

If he doesn't do the business then our problems aren't whatever hit we might take on the balance sheet.

I fully expect another goal scorer to be signed in any event, and Rashford/Martial along with Morata expected to compliment the main scorer.
 
Cliche Guevara said:
If we get Morata for £64m then I don't actually think we're overpaying. He's being signed to be a £64m player and if he does as well as he's capable of he'll prove to be worth the money.

If he doesn't do the business then our problems aren't whatever hit we might take on the balance sheet.

I fully expect another goal scorer to be signed in any event, and Rashford/Martial along with Morata expected to compliment the main scorer.
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I agree. Look at Virgil Van Dijk, his fee was being touted at around that much and he's a CB. Attackers have always been worth more. This sort of price is becoming the norm.
 
MJJ said:
How about this, point me where I even commented on mourinho's transfer record or said he was poor at signing transfers and I will do that. You posted a world of drivel to justify the strawman you made up and am sorry, but paying 64m+ for a player with one good season isnt what I or any sane person would expect.
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And he refuses to answer the questions YET again! How about this, you answer the questions than you've ignored at least half a dozen times now.
 
Deleted @GlastonSpur's typical post. Please keep the thread on topic, already a lot of threads had been ruined previously by Glaston's attempts to exaggerate the fees. Thanks.
 
The fact that Mata seems like the nicest man in the world probably impacted his decision to join us. Who wouldn't want to hugs from Mata and be able to read an early preview of his blog?
 
AXVnee7 said:
I agree. Look at Virgil Van Dijk, his fee was being touted at around that much and he's a CB. Attackers have always been worth more. This sort of price is becoming the norm.
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He's a first choice Spain international, a good all-round player and young. The feedback from Real fans also seems to be that he's a very good player. I've got no problem with anything under £70m.
 
I'm pretty confident this guy would be a 25 goal a season for us consistently, there's no doubt about that.

I watch Madrid frequently and was left impressed mostly every time I saw him play.
 
AndyJ1985 said:
You haven't got a clue what you're talking about. You talk as if you're a veteran CEO with years of negotiating skills, when in fact you're just another armchair expert with experience of playing football manager.

Woodward has no control over the valuation owners put on their players. He is doing all he can to bring in the players the manager wants, and he's getting the best deal he can negotiate. How the feck anyone can sit there and criticise him for that I don't know. Some of you deserve owners like Liverpool, who will penny pinch and bullshit the fans in to thinking they'll spend money. You don't deserve the likes of Pogba and Zlatan and Morata when all you do is whine about it.
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I just compare what I see every single year with how other clubs do business.

Many teams seem to find no problem in getting equally good or even better players for much less money. Same on the outgoing side of things, many clubs seem to be able to sell for much higher prices than we ever do.

I'am not claiming anything about my own skills and I don't even play football manager, why would I ? I'am just stating If I compare United to other clubs we seem completley unable to realise any sort of good value deal out of the market. Yes we are rich, yes everyone knows it, so what ? City and Chelsea or PSG are also rich but they get good deals without any problem.
 
The red panther said:
I just compare what I see every single year with how other clubs do business.

Many teams seem to find no problem in getting equally good or even better players for much less money. Same on the outgoing side of things, many clubs seem to be able to sell for much higher prices than we ever do.

I'am not claiming anything about my own skills and I don't even play football manager, why would I ? I'am just stating If I compare United to other clubs we seem completley unable to realise any sort of good value deal out of the market. Yes we are rich, yes everyone knows it, so what ? City and Chelsea or PSG are also rich but they get good deals without any problem.
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I would say Mhiki Bailly were good deals last summer, as was selling Morgan and Memphis in Jan.
If we get Lindelof for 30m that is also a good deal
 
MJJ said:
Strawman acknowledged and ignored. I will stop responding now.
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It's there for all to see. Whenever your 'logic' has been called into question you've deflected. I've directly asked you half a dozen times and you've ignored it entirely.

To clarify your argument:

We shouldn't trust Mourinho's judgment because of Moyes' bad signings.

Our scouts will be able to find better alternatives, yet our scouts aren't to be trusted.

He isn't value you for money but when comparables are provided (VD, Ederson, Stones, Sterling etc.) you ignore them entirely.

There are loads of alternatives out there but when asked to name a single one (asked over half a dozen times) you refused to give one saying it's the scouts job (the same scouts you heavily criticised) instead trusting your own judgement that you admit isn't as good as the aforementioned scouts. Logic!

Yeah, I agree, it's a good time for you to call it quits. For someone who is usually a sound poster you've had a mare.
 
AXVnee7 said:
I agree. Look at Virgil Van Dijk, his fee was being touted at around that much and he's a CB. Attackers have always been worth more. This sort of price is becoming the norm.
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It really isn't

But if keep paying these fees it will be the norm

@ £64m, it would make him the 6th highest transfer in history. For a reserve

Don't get me wrong, I like the player, but the price is ridiculously high. No denying that
 
Absolutely quality and he'll look a steal after a couple of seasons.....
 
Randall Flagg said:
It really isn't

But if keep paying these fees it will be the norm

@ £64m, it would make him the 6th highest transfer in history. For a reserve

Don't get me wrong, I like the player, but the price is ridiculously high. No denying that
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This is just the start of the transfer window. If we sign him on monday, he will drop down few places when the window closes, even further down next season.

He is back up at Madrid, he will be starter for most teams in the PL and almost every team except Madrid and Barca in La Liga.
 
AndyJ1985 said:
You haven't got a clue what you're talking about. You talk as if you're a veteran CEO with years of negotiating skills, when in fact you're just another armchair expert with experience of playing football manager.

Woodward has no control over the valuation owners put on their players. He is doing all he can to bring in the players the manager wants, and he's getting the best deal he can negotiate. How the feck anyone can sit there and criticise him for that I don't know. Some of you deserve owners like Liverpool, who will penny pinch and bullshit the fans in to thinking they'll spend money. You don't deserve the likes of Pogba and Zlatan and Morata when all you do is whine about it.
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I agree.
 
--------------De Gea-----------
Valencia--Bailly-Lindelof-Shaw
--------------Herrera-----------
-------Nainggolan-Pogba------
Costa-------------------Martial
--------------Morata-----------

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Cassidy said:
I would say Mhiki Bailly were good deals last summer, as was selling Morgan and Memphis in Jan.
If we get Lindelof for 30m that is also a good deal
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Bailly wasn't cheap for an unproven and largely unknown player, Mkhi was quite expensive for a player that was on a contract running out.

Morgan and Memphis were sold for alot less than what we paid for them. In that regard you can chalk them up with most of our outgoing transfers. We sold Di Maria for 20m less than what we bought him for after 1 year, another one of those great value deals (for PSG)...
 
KM said:
Deleted @GlastonSpur's typical post. Please keep the thread on topic, already a lot of threads had been ruined previously by Glaston's attempts to exaggerate the fees. Thanks.
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In fairness, that's what Marca have touted as the final fee, which just happens to be the fee that got the most votes in a poll yesterday.

Whatever the final fee and its structure, get ready for it to be widely reported as €90M.

There standard is when Madrid sign they report the upfront fee (no bonuses) and whoever Barca signs the number reported is fee+bonuses+player wages.

So let's hope it is 90M € under the Barca method of Marca/Real accounting. That would be a great deal.
 
2 Man Midfield said:
--------------De Gea-----------
Valencia--Bailly-Lindelof-Shaw
--------------Herrera-----------
-------Nainggolan-Pogba------
Costa-------------------Martial
--------------Morata-----------

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Martial is not getting in Jose teams over Mkhitaryan or Rashford
 
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