Álvaro Morata | Chelsea player

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IrishRedDevil said:
73m is an absurd price for a player like this. I'm normally very optimistic about any signings that United makes, and I always support all our players, but I can't help but feel he's a 30m player. Yes I know transfer fees are sky rocketing etc but we are still vastly overpaying for a benchwarmer.
Is he the player to lead our line and score 30 goals per season? I can't help but feel it's a big downgrade from Zlatan. Damn that injury!
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1) 30mil player? You are seriously deluded if you think so. 30mil gets you the likes of Deeney, Long, Vardy or players with a glimpse of potential, eg Tom Davis, Ward-Prowse.

2) Real Madrid benchwarmers consists of Rodriguez, Pepe, Asensio, Isco, Kovacic, Morata, Coentrao. Most of them are good enough for CL teams contenders.

3) Is he a 30 goals striker? Well, i think he should hit at least 20 goals, like a slightly better version of Giroud with more upside. Ibrahimovic had a good season but the team's attack was built around him due to his lack of pace. Ibra also missed a considerable number of chances and also reduced our football to a slower pace which made it easier to defend against. Rather than complaining about this signing, which other realistic options are there?
 
MJJ said:
Who else is paying 73m for back-up strikers?
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James Rodriguez is a back up player for Madrid yet is still top class and can start for many teams and would probably cost around the same.

Morata is not world class yet, but he has bags of potential to be among the best in Europe.
 
IrishRedDevil said:
73m is an absurd price for a player like this. I'm normally very optimistic about any signings that United makes, and I always support all our players, but I can't help but feel he's a 30m player. Yes I know transfer fees are sky rocketing etc but we are still vastly overpaying for a benchwarmer.
Is he the player to lead our line and score 30 goals per season? I can't help but feel it's a big downgrade from Zlatan. Damn that injury!
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City just paid £35mil on a 23 year old goalkeeper. You are way off with your estimation.
 
The fees these days are mad. By 2020 £30m will be a standard Championship purchase.

It never really bothers me unless it's some kind of record. Pogba had a decent season for us but fans expected more because he was the world record transfer. He will have felt pressure at points no doubt. But £60m for Real Madrid's secondary source of goals seems standard in this market. Would be a good signing.
 
Ronaldo's Mum Eh? said:
Wtf is going on? This transfer window has been a complete cluster feck.
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LOL why because some tweeterer who knows fek all talks some bs and city signed someone? if there is quality out there were gonna be in the mix to sign them.
who worth giving a fek about has moved yet in this window? it will all kick off soon and you can get yer little plonkers out and shined for the new mr fancy pants signing nobody expected .
have read this forum on and off for a long long time and the transfer forum this time of year with the mupetness and the meltdowns keeps me sane :confused:
 
Gasolin said:
At this price point, you don't have that much margin to fail, and every manager takes a risk with a player.
Usually, you pay the price low enough so that it doesn't become an issue even if it doesn't work out.
Or you pay more to have a guaranteed success.

Can we say at 99% confidence point that Morata will be a success with a 73M price tag?
It's not a troll to doubt, and I'm kind of surprised to be treated as one actually, I've never really been one on Redcafe for all those years I've been here.
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I didn't call you a troll, was laughing at the notion of our manager being one.

Nobody can be 99% certain. Not Mourinho, nor Morata. It is a gamble, sure, but there's sufficient reasons to believe it will pay off, more so than with other options which happen to be priced roughly in the same range (i.e. in technical terms, the expected value of the gamble is higher).

For starters, we know we can count on him not rubbing Mourinho the wrong way or sulking under his methods like has happened with Martial, Shaw, Mkhi for a while... That alone is a write off. We have people angling for Diego Costa FFS. Yeah, because that will work...

I think he is talented and can flourish under Mourinho's management (99% certain of that). You can hardly say that about others. Will he score enough? I don't think as many as Ibra, but I do think he can make our frontline gel and operate better than with Ibra thus distributing the goalscoring better. I'd rather have that than an excessive dependency on one source of goals.

I wasn't particularly keen on him going into the window (DDG getting embroiled + no definitive proof on his goalscoring potential + knowing Marca has touted him at 70M for a year) but I'm delighted at the prospect of José getting a man he wants and knows inside out. Fills me with confidence.
 
Gasolin said:
At this price point, you don't have that much margin to fail, and every manager takes a risk with a player.
Usually, you pay the price low enough so that it doesn't become an issue even if it doesn't work out.
Or you pay more to have a guaranteed success.

Can we say at 99% confidence point that Morata will be a success with a 73M price tag?
It's not a troll to doubt, and I'm kind of surprised to be treated as one actually, I've never really been one on Redcafe for all those years I've been here.
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I personally think he is a good striker and will do well here, but he would not be my first choice to buy this summer, that would be Mbappe. But it's fine to express your opinion on a United forum, it's open for everyone. If he does flop, the actual trolls who are calling you out will not be found anywhere to explain what happened. Surprised that the mods let people call someone a troll for voicing their concerns.
 
MJJ said:
Who else is paying 73m for back-up strikers?
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A back up for Madrid, who can easily field two different world class teams with the amount of talent they got.

If you think he will be warming the bench for Rashford/Martial next year you are wrong.
 
And while we're talking about Real Madrid's spare parts let's not forget about a certain trio of dutchies who went on to do pretty good things.
 
senorgregster said:
At some point these prices and wages will be out of control and the bubble will burst. I hope united will be ready.
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United will be ready, but rest assured some Recruitment policy's like galactico and barca dna wont be feasible soon as the prices will soar beyond affordable limits for every club on the planet. Youth focus will again be the new norm. Football do run in cycles.
 
ghagua said:
I personally think he is a good striker and will do well here, but he would not be my first choice to buy this summer, that would be Mbappe. But it's fine to express your opinion on a United forum, it's open for everyone. If he does flop, the actual trolls who are calling you out will not be found anywhere to explain what happened. Surprised that the mods let people call someone a troll for voicing their concerns.
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130 mil euros for some kid thats had half of a good season? madness , maybe if he plays at that level for 2 more seasons in a better league then you can maybe think of taking such a financial gamble but after a few games in the cl there's no way were signing this mbappe lad . with regards to the troll shit i dunno??:wenger: i kinda shut off after a few words from some posters and try and keep tabs of who made me smile or want to rant :devil:
 
bobglory said:
130 mil euros for some kid thats had half of a good season? madness , maybe if he plays at that level for 2 more seasons in a better league then you can maybe think of taking such a financial gamble but after a few games in the cl there's no way were signing this mbappe lad . with regards to the troll shit i dunno??:wenger: i kinda shut off after a few words from some posters and try and keep tabs of who made me smile or want to rant :devil:
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I don't want to spend that much on a kid either, but this may be our only chance this summer if Real Madrid go in for him after this season. I truely believe that he will reach his potential and will be a star striker, and one of the best in the world in a couple of years. People were saying that same thing about Neymar when he moved to Barcelona, although he had a little bit more experience.
 
Mbappe is not moving, he's said it many times. He also shouldn't move, he's a kid who's had half a good season and needs to be left alone. Also, he doesn't want to come here. Even if he did, you're talking 130 million euros. Almost double Morata. For that you're getting crazy potential, but nothing that's materialised yet but for half a season which is a pitiful sample size.
So tell me again how he's even an option?

People are setting up hypotheticals to the knock this transfer and it's rooted in very little reality or anything that's conceivable. United have probably tried and it was knocked back in certain terms.

Very happy with Morata, player on the cusp of big things with a lot to prove, a classic Jose striker, having shown well enough to warrant such a fee in a crazy hyper market.

"Oh but zlatan..." he's broken incase people missed it and can't be relied on to come back at his age. It's too big of a risk. We need to move on and put down the future, now.
 
Pace Abuser said:
Mbappe is not moving, he's said it many times. He also shouldn't move, he's a kid who's had half a good season and needs to be left alone. Also, he doesn't want to come here. Even if he did, you're talking 130 million euros. Almost double Morata. For that you're getting crazy potential, but nothing that's materialised yet but for half a season which is a pitiful sample size.
So tell me again how he's even an option?

People are setting up hypotheticals to the knock this transfer and it's rooted in very little reality or anything that's conceivable. United have probably tried and it was knocked back in certain terms.

Very happy with Morata, player on the cusp of big things with a lot to prove, a classic Jose striker, having shown well enough to warrant such a fee in a crazy hyper market.

"Oh but zlatan..." he's broken incase people missed it and can't be relied on to come back at his age. It's too big of a risk. We need to move on and put down the future, now.
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Zlatan has also left the club...
 
Pace Abuser said:
He's no longer on the playing staff, but my understanding is he'll still be recuperating at United and there's a possibility of a contract in January. Which I'm all for incidentally.
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Oh really? I missed that! That's kinda cool.
 
notcool said:
Why don't all of these cnuts feck right off? Sick of all this flip-flopping and bullshit. How the feck can you feck up so bad to think that there's been a bid of €73m and before that €60m and there hasn't been? And if those bids have been made, why is there a source saying they haven't? Is the source just a sick feck? Is he off his head? What the feck?
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:lol:
 
We bought RM's 2nd best player for less. Now everyone put premium price tag on their backup/ one season wonder player because why fecking not

Football is crazy. Half billion player probably only few years away.
 
unitedbhoy said:
Seems like Di Marzio wasn't far off once again, eh?
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Very happy to be wrong. At the time none of it made sense and his comments only fueled, in my mind, that he would stay.

I think he'll be signed next week, doubt it will be monday. Just annoyed i cant sign him on Fifa 17 manager mode :lol:
 
Pace Abuser said:
He's no longer on the playing staff, but my understanding is he'll still be recuperating at United and there's a possibility of a contract in January. Which I'm all for incidentally.
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Yeah that's a good plan I feel. Morata + Rashford with Zlatan coming back in January is perhaps not how I would want to start the season, but given unavoidable circumstances like his injury and Atletico's transfer ban, we're making the best of a tough situation.

Assuming Morata does end up signing of course :nervous:
 
I'm tired and need some help.

If Morata does sign, what does he offer us? I haven't really seen him play before, what are his strengths and weaknesses?
 
Camy89 said:
I'm tired and need some help.

If Morata does sign, what does he offer us? I haven't really seen him play before, what are his strengths and weaknesses?
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Very technically gifted (or at least, much more technically gifted than the likes of Belotti or Lukaku), strong, holds up the ball well and brings others into play (so probably good having pace around him). Also excellent in the air. His finishing has improved massively over the last year or so but I still think his composure is occasionally suspect. Also drifts wide more than I think I'd want a lone striker to do.
 
Mr Smith said:
Very technically gifted (or at least, much more technically gifted than the likes of Belotti or Lukaku), strong, holds up the ball well and brings others into play (so probably good having pace around him). Also excellent in the air. His finishing has improved massively over the last year or so but I still think his composure is occasionally suspect. Also drifts wide more than I think I'd want a lone striker to do.
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Sounds similar to a Zlatan type of player (except for width and composure). I'll have to do my extensive research around him (comprising of youtube compilations and scrolling through Transfermrkt.com)
 
Camy89 said:
Sounds similar to a Zlatan type of player (except for width and composure). I'll have to do my extensive research around him (comprising of youtube compilations and scrolling through Transfermrkt.com)
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I've mostly gleaned what I've wrote their from watching a few games from him at Juventus (mostly in the Champions league) and a couple of games for Real this season plus a couple more individual match compilations of him (ie everything he does in a game). So although I feel I've got a good idea of what he's good at and what he's not, I'm not the same as a regular La Liga watcher or a Madrid fan.

However, it's worth noting that most Madrid fans on here have spoken very highly of him (plenty would prefer him to be starting over Benzema).
 
Mr Smith said:
However, it's worth noting that most Madrid fans on here have spoken very highly of him (plenty would prefer him to be starting over Benzema).
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Wow, that's interesting, I didn't know that. Encouraging. His stats read similar to that of Chicharito - seems to come on as a sub a lot but still bangs in goals and assists in the 20-30 odd minutes he gets. Not many starts in big games though.
 
GaryLifo said:
I'm rapidly coming to the conclusion that at least half our fans on the caf are actually insane.

We're about to buy a potentially excellent striker who is right in the age bracket we need.

Not only this, but this signing will likely be the first of four or five signings united make this summer. You have to trust this manager that he knows exactly what he's doing and just maybe knows a thing or two more than any of us about building a title winning side.

Sorry for the rant but I'm just sick to death of the whining.
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I've already come to that conclusion. Fans think they know better than a winning manager just because they play FIFA or FM.
 
If we sign Morata and Belotti would Morata be more like the second striker in the role Griezmann would perform with Zlatan if things had gone different? And do you think they could form a good partnership?
 
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