Álvaro Morata | Chelsea player

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Mainoldo said:
Mourinho's strikers score 20 league goals a season. This guy probably gets as much as current Rooney... but he can bring others in well, shame we don't have a Ronaldo to get the goals we require.
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So are you just ignoring the fact that he's scored 20 goals this season from limited minutes? Very weird comparison.

Also, it doesn't hurt to have a striker that brings others into play; Ibrahimovic was really quite got at that this year and I'd want a replacement to have a similar ability.
 
Since I only watch the main Real Madrid games, I haven't seen much of him. Has he improved his finishing?
 
Emdad Ahmed said:
Short answer, yes.

Long answer, it's hard to say. He is, after all, playing in a team which creates chances galore.

But, he has also managed to score the goals that he did, playing some 500 minutes less than Benzema and a few hundred less than Bale both of whom have struggled massively this season. Ironically, Madrid are playing better football this season because they play their young players who are principally Spanish more. Morata, Isco, Lucas Vazquez, Asensio etc.
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Morata, Keane and Dier would be such an underwhelming summer for us. I hope they are rumors to increase the price of these players rather than based on any concrete interest for us. They would be good players for 35m-40m combined fees if we had an excellent first team and were looking for good squad options, not when we need some serious first team quality.
 
He's done very well this season but I'd be wary about spending big on a player who has been a poor goalscorer for a long time. Last thing we want is to spend big and have him once again performing like a Spanish Welbeck.
 
Mr Smith said:
So are you just ignoring the fact that he's scored 20 goals this season from limited minutes? Very weird comparison.

Also, it doesn't hurt to have a striker that brings others into play; Ibrahimovic was really quite got at that this year and I'd want a replacement to have a similar ability.
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You want a striker similar to Ibra but your willing to sacrifice his goal return? 15 goals mainly against piss poor opossition considering his goalscoring history doesn't fill me with confidence.

You can watch him and see he's not lethal, that's what I don't get with the defenders, it's like everyone is hoping he will turn into Diego Costa.
 
I think he'd work really well with Griezmann. I am still skeptical over his goal scoring abilities.

I've seen him miss a lot of good chances.
 
fantastic season (with juventus, don't know with Real Madrid)
I hope he can sign for MUtd
 
Pablitoooo said:
fantastic season (with juventus, don't know with Real Madrid)
I hope he can sign for MUtd
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Actually with us he's been quite inconsistent.

Excellent for half-season in 2015 in Champions League, but a complete disaster in the 2015/16 season (and as a matter of fact he was benched by Mandzukic).
The game against Bayern inflated his performance that had been abysmal that year.

My idea is that he's a beast if there is lot of space on the pitch, which happen in the last 20 minutes of the game (iwhen he's substituted in, he can be deadly), indeed in Champions League or in the Premier League. He'd be the top scorer here, perfectly suited for this league.
 
VanGaalEra said:
I think he'd work really well with Griezmann. I am still skeptical over his goal scoring abilities.

I've seen him miss a lot of good chances.
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Makes sense, Griezmann does well with a big center forward that can hold up well with technical ability. Would be great to get them both.
 
Pablitoooo said:
fantastic season (with juventus, don't know with Real Madrid)
I hope he can sign for MUtd
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I think it was quite expected. He didn't do especially well the first time around in RM. Then they resign him when he's had a decent season with Juve. He's just not better than that. He's not a goal scoring machine. He's a player who is pretty good at almost everything. The question is, do you want pretty good?
 
Why do people keep going on about his finishing? Wasn't he one of the top scorers in the Euros? Juventus he played as the second fiddle doing all the leg work. He's probably the best modern striker which is a guy that can do everything.
I've always wanted him here since that under 21's tournament just when Moyes took over. And as people have said he has scored more goals in the league than Griezmann I believe in half the pitch time.

I wouldn't complain if he was signed, I wouldn't mind Lukaku but then I also wouldn't mind seeing Martial given a go as the 9.
Lukaku proven goal scorer in the league(the price however) then you have the untried Belotti and Morata who can just do things on their own, hustle and bustle and make something happen which seems to be the kind of striker Jose wants.
 
Successful said:
I think it was quite expected. He didn't do especially well the first time around in RM. Then they resign him when he's had a decent season with Juve. He's just not better than that. He's not a goal scoring machine. He's a player who is pretty good at almost everything. The
question is, do you want pretty good?
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Like they say, too many cooks spoil the broth, you don't need a world class player in every position just to mount a title challenge, he'd make our attack function better as a unit with good hold up play, movement, running the channels, a proper presence upfront and could allow a real star behind him, (Like Greizmann) to shine all brighter, while still able to chip in with 15 goals a season.

Plus he's at an age where he could potentially make the jump from good player to very good player. I'm not seeing many better frontmen on the market right now.
 
Hopefully Jose can sway him here, we are going to need a proper #9 that can play as the lone striker effectively and the options are thin on the ground.
 
Andersons Dietician said:
Why do people keep going on about his finishing? Wasn't he one of the top scorers in the Euros? Juventus he played as the second fiddle doing all the leg work. He's probably the best modern striker which is a guy that can do everything.
I've always wanted him here since that under 21's tournament just when Moyes took over. And as people have said he has scored more goals in the league than Griezmann I believe in half the pitch time.

I wouldn't complain if he was signed, I wouldn't mind Lukaku but then I also wouldn't mind seeing Martial given a go as the 9.
Lukaku proven goal scorer in the league(the price however) then you have the untried Belotti and Morata who can just do things on their own, hustle and bustle and make something happen which seems to be the kind of striker Jose wants.
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Not sure Martial quite makes the right runs to be a #9 currently. He could eventually become that guy but I think he's probably a year or two away from being trusted in that position on a regular basis.
 
Well if United are interested I think it's between us and Milan. I think Chelsea are going after Lukaku so I dont think they'll have a run at him.
 


His link up play looks impressive. Also I didn't know he's 189cm as hes so good on the ball. Perfect striker for us. I admit I purely based my opinion on this YouTube video.
 
I hope mourinho's solution to our goal scoring problem isn't signing a striker who isn't known for his scoring ability.
 
Mainoldo said:
You want a striker similar to Ibra but your willing to sacrifice his goal return? 15 goals mainly against piss poor opossition considering his goalscoring history doesn't fill me with confidence.

You can watch him and see he's not lethal, that's what I don't get with the defenders, it's like everyone is hoping he will turn into Diego Costa.
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At 24, Diego Costa was scoring 10 goals per season. Morata has a better shot accuracy than Ronaldo, Benzema, Suarez, Messi and Neymar and has a better goals per minute than all of them except Messi.

The kid can only score against the opposition presented to him. He has scored against Villareal, Bilbao, Soceidad,Espanyol and Napoli. Those are the 4 teams that finished 5th-8th in la liga and 3rd or 2nd placed team in serie A. Not what one should call piss poor opposition and all while getting limited minutes.For the NT, he has 8 goals in appearances.

At 24, he is a well rounded striker who is good both on the ground and in the air. He has the physical size, pace and enough skills to drift wide. He is a better striker than Lukaku and would have possibly been better than Kane if he had gotten starter minutes earlier in his career.

He is currently the best value in the market and it would be great if we can sign him. Hoping his relationship with Mou helps close the deal.
 
Inter Yer Nan said:
Not sure Martial quite makes the right runs to be a #9 currently. He could eventually become that guy but I think he's probably a year or two away from being trusted in that position on a regular basis.
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I honestly just don't think he suits Joses system and he seems to be having a bit of an identity crisis between his 3 positions of LB, LM and ST. Boy needs to find his balance and play one position really. I quite like him as striker but out at LM he doesn't seem to do anything but defend. Looks like he doesn't even try to attack which is worrying.

Think our whole set up needs to change a bit to get the best out of some of our players.
 
Devil may care said:
Hopefully Jose can sway him here, we are going to need a proper #9 that can play as the lone striker effectively and the options are thin on the ground.
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That's why I could see this happening. Morata's excellent at holding up the ball, especially for his age, and if we'd had him up top against Ajax, we'd have had more counter attacks.

Maybe we really will play 4-2-3-1 like Mourinho did a lot of at his last 2 jobs:

------------Morata/Rashford-------------
Mkhi/Martial--Griezmann------Mata/Lingard
-----Pogba/CM------Herrera/Fellaini------

seems plausible enough as a front 6, with lots of 4-3-3 in bigger games with Griezmann on the right and whoever is in the best form between Martial, Rashford or Mkhitaryan on the left.
 
cheeky_backheel said:
and who would you recommend?
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Somebody like Auba who is known about his scoring ability. There must be reason why Morata in age 24 (soon 25) has scored only 15 league goals to Juve in two seasons and 25 league goals to Real in five season. 40 goals in 126 games is not worth of 60 million. I would start with Rashford ahead of Morata.
 
Hanky panky said:
Somebody like Auba who is known about his scoring ability. There must be reason why Morata in age 24 (soon 25) has scored only 15 league goals to Juve in two seasons and 25 league goals to Real in five season. 40 goals in 126 games is not worth of 60 million. I would start with Rashford ahead of Morata.
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and how many goals did Auba score at that age? 13 goals in 21 starts and 11 sub appearances. Also Morata is better playing with his back to goal and foraging on his own upfront.
 
In fairness I haven't watched him loads but he hasn't blown me away. Seems an all round good player but nothing special.

Anyone watched him a lot and think he's special?
 
Morata is very good for his type of player. I think we should go for him.
 
It looks like the plan is to sign Griezmann. That means we should be looking for a #9 with great aerial ability for knock-downs and second balls and decent link-up play to compliment him. I can't think of anyone more-suited than Morata.
 
cheeky_backheel said:
At 24, Diego Costa was scoring 10 goals per season. Morata has a better shot accuracy than Ronaldo, Benzema, Suarez, Messi and Neymar and has a better goals per minute than all of them except Messi.

The kid can only score against the opposition presented to him. He has scored against Villareal, Bilbao, Soceidad,Espanyol and Napoli. Those are the 4 teams that finished 5th-8th in la liga and 3rd or 2nd placed team in serie A. Not what one should call piss poor opposition and all while getting limited minutes.For the NT, he has 8 goals in appearances.

At 24, he is a well rounded striker who is good both on the ground and in the air. He has the physical size, pace and enough skills to drift wide. He is a better striker than Lukaku and would have possibly been better than Kane if he had gotten starter minutes earlier in his career.

He is currently the best value in the market and it would be great if we can sign him. Hoping his relationship with Mou helps close the deal.
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I mentioned Diego Costa for that reason. Meaning I'm aware Costa had a poor scoring record before Falcao left. My arguement is don't expect this with Morata. His current value is around £40m that is not value for money when we have no idea he will come here and deliver Kane; Lukaku numbers, which is what we require.

Morata needs to prove himself as a main striker, that statement alone is too much of a risk for us next season. The goals per minutes is nice and all, along with the shot accuracy but what does that have to do with anything except tell me he needs more minutes on the pitch and he likes to hit he keeper a lot because he sure doesn't get as many goals as the other players you listed.
 
I think he's a smart player from what I've seen of him, more at Juve than Madrid. Runs behind the defense, knows were the back of the goal is, can beat a man or two. Also, he's not a purely counterattacking player, good in tight spaces too.

If him and Rashford are to share playing time as strikers, I wouldn't mind. Not over Lukaku though.
 
Mainoldo said:
I mentioned Diego Costa for that reason. Meaning I'm aware Costa had a poor scoring record before Falcao left. My arguement is don't expect this with Morata. His current value is around £40m that is not value for money when we have no idea he will come here and deliver Kane; Lukaku numbers, which is what we require.

Morata needs to prove himself as a main striker, that statement alone is too much of a risk for us next season. The goals per minutes is nice and all, along with the shot accuracy but what does that have to do with anything except tell me he needs more minutes on the pitch and he likes to hit he keeper a lot because he sure doesn't get as many goals as the other players you listed.
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So Costa gets a pass cos he is starting alongside falcao, but Morata playing off the bench behind CR, Bale and Benzema should be scoring 20+?

He doesnt get as many goals cos he doesnt play as many minutes. With his limited minutes, he has scored more goals than Benzema and Bale while playing less minutes. He has already proven enough that he can be a starter as he is well ahead of the curve for his age and limited minutes. If you want to wait till he is at his peak and proven, then we will likely pay a lot more than 60m and worse still likely be unavailable for sale. Kane is not for sale and even an 18yr old Mbappe is being touted for 100m.

Morata is a better striker than Lukaku who could only score one goal in his last 5 games. Lukaku is a bottom feeder that pads his stats against the lower clubs, while Morata has already scored crucial goals in CL games. Lukaku has less experience, running from competition at Chelsea and has only played one season of EL. Morata has played for big clubs in Madrid and Juve which showed he can handle the pressure at the highest level and has started and scored in the CL semis and final, making the CL team of the season in 2015.

The reason he is not starting for Madrid is because he is not a perez boy toy and zidane is bias to his god son (but nothing Zidane does will get Benzema back into the NT)
 
Mainoldo said:
I mentioned Diego Costa for that reason. Meaning I'm aware Costa had a poor scoring record before Falcao left. My arguement is don't expect this with Morata. His current value is around £40m that is not value for money when we have no idea he will come here and deliver Kane; Lukaku numbers, which is what we require.
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Griezmann gives us those numbers.
 
cheeky_backheel said:
and how many goals did Auba score at that age? 13 goals in 21 starts and 11 sub appearances. Also Morata is better playing with his back to goal and foraging on his own upfront.
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I would not pay 60 million for 13 goals Auba either. But after that, he has prove that he can score 25+ goals per season. Which Morata simply isn't. I still think he's spanish Giroud.
 
His all round game would suit united. A big body who can do a variety of things and his goal scoring record looks much better. One of the most underrated aspects of Zlatan's game was his ability to link up play despite his lack of speed. I think Morata could fill that role easily.
 
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