Álvaro Morata | Chelsea player

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cheeky_backheel said:
I dont see the space issue for Pogba in a 4-2-3-1 vs a 4-3-3. He will either share the space with the #10 or the other CM.

For adding depth in the 4-3-3, we will need more than another CM cos we still need to have a backup DM. With a 4-3-3 you have 3 slots and will need at least 2 quality backups. That means we need to sign two CM/DMs to avoid the nightmare that is Fellaini.

I have watched Pereira multiple times, including against Madrid today (which I am rewatching right now :D) and I am not convinced he is at the level we need.

The player I am intrigued by is Fosu-Mensah and would like to see him play more often in a CM/DM role. Not convinced of the RB experiment and think he looks a better prospect than Pereira for that role.

I agree we need more variation in the squad, but there are so many areas that need to be fixed in the starting XI that luxury options will likely not be addressed till next summer.
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The difference is that when Pogba pushes on into the attacking midfield role he needs space, with a proper #8 in there with him they will drop back to cover him and keep our shape, with a #10 you don't get that cover as unless they are a Rooney type they aren't going to offer the defensive work needed and instead be in the zones Pogba is driving into.

Herrera can cover the DM role if required, it's not perfect but nothing ever is, even the mighty Real Madrid don't have a true cover for Casemiro, one of their CM's just has to take more defensive responsibility if he's not on, Herrera would be that guy for us in a pinch, and like you mention we have Fosu-Mensah who we could start to blood in and as I said we can add one more CM on top of Fabinho if we don't use up £60M on a #10.

That's true, while we really need a proper wide option it will likely be something that is left unattended this summer, so we'll muddle one with one flank being a bit of a dead zone for another season.
 
Devil may care said:
The difference is that when Pogba pushes on into the attacking midfield role he needs space, with a proper #8 in there with him they will drop back to cover him and keep our shape, with a #10 you don't get that cover as unless they are a Rooney type they aren't going to offer the defensive work needed and instead be in the zones Pogba is driving into.

Herrera can cover the DM role if required, it's not perfect but nothing ever is, even the mighty Real Madrid don't have a true cover for Casemiro, one of their CM's just has to take more defensive responsibility if he's not on, Herrera would be that guy for us in a pinch, and like you mention we have Fosu-Mensah who we could start to blood in and as I said we can add one more CM on top of Fabinho if we don't use up £60M on a #10.

That's true, while we really need a proper wide option it will likely be something that is left unattended this summer, so we'll muddle one with one flank being a bit of a dead zone for another season.
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Plus Carrick, Pereira and Fosu-Mensah are great squad options for a 4-3-3 in addition to the much maligned Fellaini. However I think that a Rashford-Moratta-Martial front three is too lacking in x factor, you'd need a player like Hazard to be unpredictable imo.
 
Would seem ideal for Morata to go to Chelsea as Costa's replacement.
 
I've always liked him as a player. Technically sound, holds it up well, brings others into play, etc. The question mark over him has been whether he gets enough goals. Based on his record this season, he has done really well, but is he a player to get you 20+ league goals every season? Not so sure.
 
itso 7 said:
Plus Carrick, Pereira and Fosu-Mensah are great squad options for a 4-3-3 in addition to the much maligned Fellaini. However I think that a Rashford-Moratta-Martial front three is too lacking in x factor, you'd need a player like Hazard to be unpredictable imo.
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We need to be rid of Fellaini but up front I think Griezmann will be part of the front 3 adding the possible x factor or match winning aspect.
 
Devil may care said:
We need to be rid of Fellaini but up front I think Griezmann will be part of the front 3 adding the possible x factor or match winning aspect.
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I think a Martial in form should be able to provide that but I doubt whether Mourinho has enough patience to let him flourish in a way Sir Alex would have. To me Griezmann looks like a Mata type who has excellent movement and goal scoring ability but lacks the physical and 1 v 1 ability to be an undisputed threat.
 
Martial is just useless. I don't expect much from him. He's not consistent and doesn't frighten or scare the opposition in any sort of way
 
I would be all for Morata but I think Chelsea will sign him based on the Conte link, next to Morata they will ditch Batshuyai and try to sign Lukaku or Belotti aswell I think.
 
The red panther said:
I would be all for Morata but I think Chelsea will sign him based on the Conte link, next to Morata they will ditch Batshuyai and try to sign Lukaku or Belotti aswell I think.
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IIRC Conte signed him but he never played for Conte. I think he simply appreciates Conte for signing him for Juve.

Mourinho he is more familiar with. It was Mourinho that gave him his senior team debut at Madrid and even started him in el classico. In terms of relationships, I would think he is closer to Mourinho.
 
I like the idea of havong Rashford, Morata and Griezmann as our 3 strikers.

We need at least one striker, 2 CM and at least one CB this summer, arguably a winger as well, so not sure we have room for 2 new strikers.
 
itso 7 said:
I think a Martial in form should be able to provide that but I doubt whether Mourinho has enough patience to let him flourish in a way Sir Alex would have. To me Griezmann looks like a Mata type who has excellent movement and goal scoring ability but lacks the physical and 1 v 1 ability to be an undisputed threat.
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In a league where Pedro can score almost 10 goals per season, Griezmann shouldn't have a problem to average close to 20 in a good team (top 4 contenders). He's miles better a better direct player than Mata.

Put Morata as a 9 and Griezmann playing around him on a free role (something like what Torres/Villa did with Spain from 2006 to 2009) and you have enough gunpowder to win PL games, you are free to balance the team for each game with your four midfielders
 
Ishdalar said:
In a league where Pedro can score almost 10 goals per season, Griezmann shouldn't have a problem to average close to 20 in a good team (top 4 contenders). He's miles better a better direct player than Mata.

Put Morata as a 9 and Griezmann playing around him on a free role (something like what Torres/Villa did with Spain from 2006 to 2009) and you have enough gunpowder to win PL games, you are free to balance the team for each game with your four midfielders
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What happens when Griezmann is unavailable due to injury or suspension?
 
cheeky_backheel said:
What happens when Griezmann is unavailable due to injury or suspension?
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You still have Rashford or even Martial to play in his spot. Morata, Griezmann, Rashfod and Martial could be enough to cover the front 2 for the whole season, they also offer you the option of fielding a 433 in some games.

Before reaching Real or Bayern levels (getting a squad where you can swap almost 22 players without noticing it) the first step is having 11/14 players than can help you challenge for the league title
 
The more I watch this the more I come to the conclusion that Alvaro is the man Jose might go for. He is the quintessential Mourinho striker.

 
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FC Ronaldo said:
The more I watch this the more I come to the conclusion that Alvaro is the man Jose might go for. He is the quintessential Mourinho striker.

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Mourinho's strikers score 20 league goals a season. This guy probably gets as much as current Rooney... but he can bring others in well, shame we don't have a Ronaldo to get the goals we require.
 
Mainoldo said:
Mourinho's strikers score 20 league goals a season. This guy probably gets as much as current Rooney... but he can bring others in well, shame we don't have a Ronaldo to get the goals we require.
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There won't be another Ronaldo in your lifetime, silly. So, you'd better lower the expectations or end up getting disappointed
 
Mainoldo said:
Mourinho's strikers score 20 league goals a season. This guy probably gets as much as current Rooney... but he can bring others in well, shame we don't have a Ronaldo to get the goals we require.
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Maybe, if Morata was only allowed to touch the ball with his ear or something.
 
Emdad Ahmed said:
There won't be another Ronaldo in your lifetime, silly. So, you'd better lower the expectations or end up getting disappointed
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Huh. There have been plenty of strikers that can/have gotten 20 goals a season. Want me to name them? I can do before and current. What we don't have is inside forwards that can contribute where Morata will lack.. GOALS.

So i'll keep my expectations where they are.
 
Mainoldo said:
Mourinho's strikers score 20 league goals a season. This guy probably gets as much as current Rooney... but he can bring others in well, shame we don't have a Ronaldo to get the goals we require.
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13 starts in La Liga, and 11 sub appearances, 15 goals.
1 start in the CL and 6 sub appearances, 3 goals.
He's drastically upped his goal return this season.
 
Cascarino said:
13 starts in La Liga, and 11 sub appearances, 15 goals.
1 start in the CL and 6 sub appearances, 3 goals.
He's drastically upped his goal return this season.
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He has.. playing for a team that probably has a 3 goal average. The real question is can you see him getting Lukaku numbers playing for a team like ours that has been struggling to score. He looks the part but he's bang average.
 
Mainoldo said:
He has.. playing for a team that probably has a 3 goal average. The real question is can you see him getting Lukaku numbers playing for a team like ours that has been struggling to score. He looks the part but he's bang average.
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I think with the chances your team creates, combined with Morata's technical competency and physicality, he'd be looking at a return of 20 league goals. I've been on the fence with Morata in the past, but he has a lot of positives and has been good this season.
He probably won't match Lukaku goal for goal, but his link up play is miles ahead of the Belgian.

Edit: I like both players, but purely out of interest who'd you prefer at United, Lukaku or Morata?
 
Cascarino said:
I think with the chances your team creates, combined with Morata's technical competency and physicality, he'd be looking at a return of 20 league goals. I've been on the fence with Morata in the past, but he has a lot of positives and has been good this season.
He probably won't match Lukaku goal for goal, but his link up play is miles ahead of the Belgian.

Edit: I like both players, but purely out of interest who'd you prefer at United, Lukaku or Morata?
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Agree with you there... but would rather work on Lukaku's all round game than turning Morata into a lethal finisher.
 
FC Ronaldo said:
The more I watch this the more I come to the conclusion that Alvaro is the man Jose might go for. He is the quintessential Mourinho striker.

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Really? Mou likes the classic, big, powerful #9. Ibra, Drogba, Costa.

The exact opposite of Morata who is more suited to playing alongside another striker (hence why everyone thinks Conte wants him).
 
Orc said:
Really? Mou likes the classic, big, powerful #9. Ibra, Drogba, Costa.

The exact opposite of Morata who is more suited to playing alongside another striker (hence why everyone thinks Conte wants him).
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That is true enough, but he works hard and isn't bad in the air. He complements other players. Mou didn't play a target man at Real and at Inter Diego Milito wasn't tall. While Costa is powerful I also wouldn't agree that he is a big man striker. Morata is aggressive and hard working, a team player and personally I think he could fit well in the mourinho mould
 
Crashoutcassius said:
That is true enough, but he works hard and isn't bad in the air. He complements other players. Mou didn't play a target man at Real and at Inter Diego Milito wasn't tall. While Costa is powerful I also wouldn't agree that he is a big man striker. Morata is aggressive and hard working, a team player and personally I think he could fit well in the mourinho mould
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Fair points. Depending on who else Chelsea and United sign, I think Morata would be a good signing for either.

Likely between him and Lukaku for us.
 
Mainoldo said:
Mourinho's strikers score 20 league goals a season. This guy probably gets as much as current Rooney... but he can bring others in well, shame we don't have a Ronaldo to get the goals we require.
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Before Joining Chelsea, Drogba only scored 19 goalsi 35 games starting for Marseille.
Morata has scored 15 goals in 13 starts + 11 subs this season
 
He'd be a better fit for us than the others we've been linked to recently, not an exciting player but a functional fit for the attack.
 
Mainoldo said:
Mourinho's strikers score 20 league goals a season. This guy probably gets as much as current Rooney... but he can bring others in well, shame we don't have a Ronaldo to get the goals we require.
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Morata's 15 league goals this season is more league goals than Drogba managed in 7 of his 9 seasons at Chelsea.
 
Infra-red said:
Yes. In fact Drogba only scored more than 12 league goals for Chelsea twice in 9 seasons at the club. As I'm sure you're aware, Mourinho demands more from his strikers than just goals.
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Yeah, but scoring goals is still their most important job surely?
 
Vato said:
Yeah, but scoring goals is still their most important job surely?
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Of course, but I don't think Morata's relatively modest numbers would preclude him from being a good fit for Mourinho as a #9, as was implied above. I actually think he'd be a great fit (should Madrid be persuaded to sell, which strikes me as fairly unlikely).
 
Infra-red said:
Of course, but I don't think Morata's relatively modest numbers would preclude him from being a good fit for Mourinho as a #9, as was implied above. I actually think he'd be a great fit (should Madrid be persuaded to sell, which strikes me as fairly unlikely).
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No idea if he'll go or not, but his relation to Zidane isn't the best right now. Understandably so.
 
Vato said:
No idea if he'll go or not, but his relation to Zidane isn't the best right now. Understandably so.
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I see many of your supporters all over Twitter and YouTube comments begging for Morata to start in place of Benzema. What do you think?
 
Vato said:
I agree, he should start over Benzema.
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So is the club hierarchy actually willing to sell Morata or is it all media bullshit? Seems like if he were sold you'd have to go out and buy another striker. In which case it makes no sense to sell him, right?
 
Orc said:
So is the club hierarchy actually willing to sell Morata or is it all media bullshit? Seems like if he were sold you'd have to go out and buy another striker. In which case it makes no sense to sell him, right?
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Agreed, it would make more sense to start looking to replace Benzema but apparently Zidane likes him more. Their French Algerian backgrounds have probably nothing to do with this. :wenger:
 
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