Álvaro Morata | Chelsea player

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prtk0811 said:
Oh come o

Oh come on, he's a decent player and a potential better than lukaku and belotti, yes goals are important but so is the play style and his style build up will result in more goals from others forwards and midfeilders as well which was missing this season. 20 goals is what he can get when used right, may be more but he can also make goals for players like martial and mkh and rashford and pogba. Also we can well get griezman again next year if he moves or even in January if Costa is willing to move there.

We won't be regretting after signing him because as a focal point he would massively improve the build up and abilities to beat high press.

Price is the only issue with goal tally which can improve.
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I've never said he isn't decent but decent doesn't win titles. Decent gets you top 4 finishes each year like Arsenal.

And how have you decide that Morata has more potential then Lukaku and Belotti?

Lukaku has scored more goals in the PL before 23 then most world class PL talents have historically and he has consistently scored now for 3 seasons in a poorer side to United. If anything Lukaku is fulfilling potential already?

I can't comment too much on Belotti but at least he is starting for a team and playing regularly. He also has the aggression in his game to be a real handful.

Potential is great in FIFA 17 because eyou know exactly how much each player can improve by but in real life who is to say Morata isn't at his peak? Or that Lukaku or Belotti haven't peaked you don't know anymore then I do but at least with someone like Lukaku you can look at his goal record in the league and at his experience playing regular first team football in the same league.

You talk about style of play? What style of play! Morata is at Real Madrid who play completely differently to United.

Morata isn't a build up player? He's a number 9 and if he looks like a build up player to you maybe look at the quality of attackers he is working with at Madrid who are helping him.

We can't make assumptions about Griezmann arriving in the future to help Morata all we can do at the moment is say that in our current team without any other signing Morata on his own is not changing us from 6th to 1st next season which is what a world class player would have half a chance of doing.

Also we won't regret signing him because of his ability to beat a high press? We have Rashford one of the quickest strikers around and a very intelligent player. Teams very rarely press us high up the pitch most sit back deep and defend which has been our problem all season so what you are saying is that we won't regret signing someone who in your opinion will help us with for definite two teams in the league Tottenham and Liverpool.

Again Morata is a good player and a perfectly acceptable signing but not someone who is next season going to make us champions and that is what this team is missing right now.
 
Raoul said:
Why does it matter who he scored against ? Do goals somehow count less if they are against lesser sides ?
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Because when tweets like better goal scoring ratio than anyone else bar Messi doesn't tell the whole story. In the important games he was either injured or on the bench. He played 0 minutes against Barca and Atletico and like 30-40 mins against Sevilla in the two games in La Liga, which are the best teams there.

It's a bit misleading stat when you look at the context.
 
Grylte said:
Those who don't want us to sign him, what do you want?
Griezmann isn't coming.
Lukaku 100million? Wants to play for Chelsea, by the looks of it.
Belotti, who i'd never heard of before this season, for 80million?
Bidding war with Real Madrid for Mbappe at... eh.. 130'ish million?

This guy is 24 (thought he was much older), has experience from one of the strongest leagues in the world, Champions League, and plays regularily for Spain.
Would be great if him and James signs, two attacking players who knows eachother.
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Out of those options I'd go for a bidding war for Mbappe - at least you are paying for the top talent in the world at the moment.

Other option is Auba and try to hijack the PSG deal. From reports he's worth about the same.

On James - I'd welcome him and IMO is the one we should be looking at from Madrid.
 
A few reports say Jose's spoke with him and from what I can tell we are still negotiating so he must have given the go ahead of a move.
 
70 million for the Spanish Welbeck. Perfect. Griezmann would have cost us 30 million more and that'd be a bargain compared to what we're paying here. Auba is reported to be going for less and he is a way better player.

Why are we always the ones getting fecked? Next season they'll ask 150 million for crooked Gareth Bale.
 
Dumat12 said:
70 million for the Spanish Welbeck. Perfect. Griezmann would have cost us 30 million more and that'd be a bargain compared to what we're paying here. Auba is reported to be going for less and he is a way better player.

Why are we always the ones getting fecked? Next season they'll ask 150 million for crooked Gareth Bale.
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He's not really the Spanish Welbeck though is he. Welbeck was predominantly a hard working forward but lacked finishing ability. Morata is definitely a better striker than Welbeck was or will be.

I don't think Morata is a £60m player but let's at least be objective in our analysis of his attributes.
 
Enigma_87 said:
Because when tweets like better goal scoring ratio than anyone else bar Messi doesn't tell the whole story. In the important games he was either injured or on the bench. He played 0 minutes against Barca and Atletico and like 30-40 mins against Sevilla in the two games in La Liga, which are the best teams there.

It's a bit misleading stat when you look at the context.
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It is the whole story. Goals are goals.

Also, you are obviously not taking into consideration that he was likely not utilized as much against bigger teams because Ronaldo and Benzema hogged all the minutes. Not the player's fault.
 
Dumat12 said:
70 million for the Spanish Welbeck. Perfect. Griezmann would have cost us 30 million more and that'd be a bargain compared to what we're paying here. Auba is reported to be going for less and he is a way better player.

Why are we always the ones getting fecked? Next season they'll ask 150 million for crooked Gareth Bale.
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I'm not a expert on Morata, I've seen him play probably 10 times but he's always looked decent. From what I see when he starts games he scores (23 in 22 this season) I don't know why he gets so much hate he's scored more goals this season than Welbeck has in the past 3 combined.
 
Dumat12 said:
70 million for the Spanish Welbeck. Perfect. Griezmann would have cost us 30 million more and that'd be a bargain compared to what we're paying here. Auba is reported to be going for less and he is a way better player.

Why are we always the ones getting fecked? Next season they'll ask 150 million for crooked Gareth Bale.
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This guy scored about as many goals as Griezmann.
 
Raoul said:
It is the whole story. Goals are goals.

Also, you are obviously not taking into consideration that he was likely not utilized as much against bigger teams because Ronaldo and Benzema hogged all the minutes. Not the player's fault.
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If he can't displace Benzema in probably his worst season in Real's shirt it kinda is.
 
BenitoSTARR said:
He's not really the Spanish Welbeck though is he. Welbeck was predominantly a hard working forward but lacked finishing ability. Morata is definitely a better striker than Welbeck was or will be.

I don't think Morata is a £60m player but let's at least be objective in our analysis of his attributes.
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Castia said:
I'm not a expert on Morata, I've seen him play probably 10 times but he's always looked decent. From what I see on his stats when he starts games he scores (23 in 22 this season) I don't know why he gets so much hate he's scored more goals this season than Welbeck has in the past 3 combined.
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Raoul said:
This guy scored about as many goals as Griezmann.
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That was a hyperbole. The point is that he isn't worth anywhere near 70 million, even 50 million is a big gamble on him. For that money we might as well put our bets on Auba, offer 10-20 million more and get him instead, a way better forward (there should be no arguments here). Real Madrid are dicking us around and we should just tell them to feck off. We pay this year 70 million for Morata and who knows what some tinpot clubs will ask of us next year.
 
The Welbeck tag was always there before as people could see his all round game and attributes he brought to the team but lacked the goals. Very similar to the pro's and con's of Danny.
This season he's obviously improved his numbers infront of goal and at an age where he could cemment himself as a top tier striker, but to those saying he's already prolific or a 90mill euro value player, he's not proven either of those by a long shot yet.
 
My only problem with Morata is we have to deal with those feckwits in Madrid.
 
Dumat12 said:
Mainly because Rio and Vidic were the two best CB in the world back then. Benzema isn't anywhere close to that level.
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Maybe not, but he's just won the champions league 2 seasons in a row, unless you are telling me Madrid won them basically playing 10 men?
 
Tiber said:
Yea. That Madrid lineup didnt work very well this season did it?
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It was Ronaldo, Marcelo, Modric, Isco, etc bailing them out when it mattered.

Ask any Real supporter if they liked what they see of Benzema this year, yet he was constantly starting over Morata.

Here's something after Valencia's game in April:
When Real Madrid have needed a hero this season, Karim Benzema has been nowhere to be seen.

Usually, it has been Cristiano Ronaldo who has flown to the rescue. Last week, with Madrid’s Champions League hopes in the balance in extra time against Bayern Munich, he proved decisive with a clinical hat-trick at the Santiago Bernabeu to take his total tally in the quarter final tie to five goals.
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Ronaldo is being far more selective with his movements now. He no longer presses and runs from deep as he did in his younger days, and spends much more of his time in the penalty box – his first-half goal against Valencia the perfect case in point.

This offers a clue as to what his best role for Madrid could be from next season. Right now, Benzema is offering very little as a central striker. The Frenchman was unfortunate at the start of the second half in seeing a curling effort hit the post but all in all he is not doing enough.


He has yet to hit double-figures in La Liga this season and is on course for his worst personal campaign at the Bernabeu since his first year at Madrid in 2009-10.

On current form, Benzema should not be starting for Madrid. He has scored just one goal in the last month and five in the last three months. When you have the likes of Toni Kroos, Luka Modric, Gareth Bale and Marco Asensio supplying you, this is a pitiful return.
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Igor Drefljak said:
Pique couldn't displace Rio and Vidic
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No comparison. Peak Rio and Vidic and Pique as a teenager vs Benzema serving wank week in and week out and 23 years old Morata brought from Juve, exercising the 30m EUR buy back clause the year before...
 
Enigma_87 said:
No comparison. Peak Rio and Vidic and Pique as a teenager vs Benzema serving wank week in and week out and 23 years old Morata brought from Juve, exercising the 30m EUR buy back clause the year before...
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So Real Madrid this season and last won 2 champions leagues playing with 10 men. I mean he must have been doing something right? I mean this is peak Real Madrid we are talking about here
 
Igor Drefljak said:
Maybe not, but he's just won the champions league 2 seasons in a row, unless you are telling me Madrid won them basically playing 10 men?
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We won the PL with Tom Cleverley in the midfield. Are you implying that we won it because of him? Ask yourself if you want Benzema at United. Then ask yourself again if you want his substitute at United. I mean I'm open to discussion, but there is no way Morata is worth anywhere near 60 million. The problem is there are better players that are going for less and we're doing nothing about them. Auba is a star player that will surely propel us to a top 4 place at least, and we're haggling with Real Madrid for a bench warmer.

This has been going on for far too long now.
 
Dumat12 said:
We won the PL with Tom Cleverley in the midfield. Are you implying that we won it because of him? Ask yourself if you want Benzema at United. Then ask yourself again if you want his substitute at United. I mean I'm open to discussion, but there is no way Morata is worth anywhere near 60 million. The problem is there are better players that are going for less and we're doing nothing about them. Auba is a star player that will surely propel us to a top 4 place at least, and we're haggling with Real Madrid for a bench warmer.

This has been going on for far too long now.
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Yes, lets sign Auba, a striker that doesn't fit the mould of a Mourinho type striker. It's great when managers get players they don't want, cause it always ends up working well...really well
 
KristianMackle said:
Morata is great with his head and feet. I want him at United but at the prices being quoted, I'd rather we broke the bank for 24 yr old goal scoring machine, Icardi.
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"Great with his head and feet" thats good enough for since football is literally played with both :lol:
 
The thing that's bugging me is that with Benzema ageing and Madrid needing a Striker - if he was really that good, surely they'd keep him? Looks like they've been trying to offload him for a while. I feel like there'd be more intent to keep him if his ceiling was really as high as some people on here believe.
 
Igor Drefljak said:
So Real Madrid this season and last won 2 champions leagues playing with 10 men. I mean he must have been doing something right? I mean this is peak Real Madrid we are talking about here
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Didn't say anything like that. Did Real win the double this year due to Benzema? He was part of the team as was Marco Asensio for example. Should we bid 80m for the latter as well since he's part of a CL winning team?

If Morata was 60-70-80m pounds striker wouldn't he get more minutes in this Real team when Benzema is in awful form?
 
Igor Drefljak said:
Yes, lets sign Auba, a striker that doesn't fit the mould of a Mourinho type striker. It's great when managers get players they don't want, cause it always ends up working well...really well
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There's no such thing as Mourinho's "mould". He is probably the most flexible manager ever. That's like saying you prefer Perisic to Alexis Sanchez just because he fits Mourinho's "mould" better.
 
Dumat12 said:
We won the PL with Tom Cleverley in the midfield. Are you implying that we won it because of him? Ask yourself if you want Benzema at United. Then ask yourself again if you want his substitute at United. I mean I'm open to discussion, but there is no way Morata is worth anywhere near 60 million. The problem is there are better players that are going for less and we're doing nothing about them. Auba is a star player that will surely propel us to a top 4 place at least, and we're haggling with Real Madrid for a bench warmer.

This has been going on for far too long now.
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Benzena is Zidane's 'guy' though, he feels Benzena offers more to the team. It's like when Lingard gets picked over Martial it doesn't mean he's better, he just fits 'the system'.

It wasn't long ago that Isco couldn't make the team and James is benched, these are still top players.
 
Dumat12 said:
We won the PL with Tom Cleverley in the midfield. Are you implying that we won it because of him? Ask yourself if you want Benzema at United. Then ask yourself again if you want his substitute at United. I mean I'm open to discussion, but there is no way Morata is worth anywhere near 60 million. The problem is there are better players that are going for less and we're doing nothing about them. Auba is a star player that will surely propel us to a top 4 place at least, and we're haggling with Real Madrid for a bench warmer.

This has been going on for far too long now.
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load of rubbish.

Sanchez surplus requirements to Barcelona
Pique couldn't get a sniff at us as a youngster
Robben surplus to requirements
Pogba didn't get a chance at us
Isco not had a look in the Real Madrid team until breaking through this season.

Could go on and on Real Madrid are the most stacked squad in the world and their subs are better then our first team players.
 
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The problem is he looks ordinary when playing for Spain. Anyone can look good at Real Madrid. His lacks of physical attributes worries me if we are to make him our starting striker for the long term.

Can he be relied upon to deliver the goods?
 
Enigma_87 said:
Didn't say anything like that. Did Real win the double this year due to Benzema? He was part of the team as was Marco Asensio for example. Should we bid 80m for the latter as well since he's part of a CL winning team?

If Morata was 60-70-80m pounds striker wouldn't he get more minutes in this Real team when Benzema is in awful form?
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I'd love Asensio to be honest. Looks a great talent.
The difference is, one was a bit part player in Asensio while Benzema was a main feature in the side
 
Enigma_87 said:
If he can't displace Benzema in probably his worst season in Real's shirt it kinda is.
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That's some shit logic if I heard it. Zidanne preferred Benzema for whatever reason. That doesn't have anything to with Morata's quality. We know this because he was central in Juve's march to the CL final a couple of years back.
 
He's an excellent striker and a huge upgrade on what we currently have. He's just entering the prime of his career too. I like the fact he has played for - probably - the biggest club in the world, meaning he won't be overawed by the weight of expectation at United. He has a very complete profile, and Mourinho knows him well. This can only be good for us. Zero fecks how much he costs. That's for the bean counters.
 
Igor Drefljak said:
I'd love Asensio to be honest. Looks a great talent.
The difference is, one was a bit part player in Asensio while Benzema was a main feature in the side
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So was Morata for that matter, yet we should be all over him, whilst Auba(who might very well be less expensive) doesn't fit Jose's striker type..:wenger:
 
Jacky Quacky said:
The problem is he looks ordinary when playing for Spain. Anyone can look good at Real Madrid. His lacks of physical attributes worries me if we are to make him our starting striker for the long term.

Can he be relied upon to deliver the goods?
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9 goals in 20 for Spain
3 goals in 4 matches at the Euro's.
Out of the higher scorers in the Euro's, only Griezmann had a better strike rate
 
Cypriot said:
The thing that's bugging me is that with Benzema ageing and Madrid needing a Striker - if he was really that good, surely they'd keep him? Looks like they've been trying to offload him for a while. I feel like there'd be more intent to keep him if his ceiling was really as high as some people on here believe.
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Clearly, Real are in for Mbappe next season, so Morata needs to leave.
 
Raoul said:
That's some shit logic if I heard it. Zidanne preferred Benzema for whatever reason. That doesn't have anything to with Morata's quality. We know this because he was central in Juve's march to the CL final a couple of years back.
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Morata was brought in after successful season at Juve. He's entering his prime and should be starting every week, yet not being able to get into the starting 11 in a team where his biggest rival for the spot is a striker that has scored 5 times in 3 months is somehow unrelated to his quality?
 
Enigma_87 said:
So was Morata for that matter, yet we should be all over him, whilst Auba(who might very well be less expensive) doesn't fit Jose's striker type..:wenger:
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Might be more, might be less. We don't know
Ones 24, ones 28 in a week or so

Two completely different type of strikers. One is a typical Mourinho player, one isn't. Liken Auba to a striker Mourinho was in favour of?
 
When you put price and his qualities on side,he still isnt worth signing.
 
Enigma_87 said:
Morata was brought in after successful season at Juve. He's entering his prime and should be starting every week, yet not being able to get into the starting 11 in a team where his biggest rival for the spot is a striker that has scored 5 times in 3 months is somehow unrelated to his quality?
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Look, don't ask me to get into Zidane's head. For whatever reason, he likes Benzema. The French connection ? The French-Algerian connection ? Who knows.

Morata still outperformed Benzema as a bench player. Give him a leading role with a good supporting cast and he'll be a 30-35 goal player next year.
 
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