Because he's on the bench watching as Benzema plays worse than him and keeps starting. You can ask any Real Madrid fan and they'll tell you the same.
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Because he's on the bench watching as Benzema plays worse than him and keeps starting. You can ask any Real Madrid fan and they'll tell you the same.
Which obviously Real are aware at and generally bringing him back and making profit on him, despite no Mbappe this year and yet limited playing time, kinda makes sense then?
Zidane was still Real's manager when they bought him back, yet he wasn't in the starting 11 this year and are looking at another striker the very next season?
My fear is we pay big money and 6-12 months in things don't go right and he's then engineering a move to Juve on the cheap. He can't go back to Juve now as Madrid want too much. Maybe we could loan him?
I do rate him highly. He was exceptional in the Champions League for Juve, big game player but while there he talked about affections for Madrid a lot and now he maybe likes to be back at Juve. I have some doubt he can settle here at United but it's slim pickings for strikers.
I do rate him highly. He was exceptional in the Champions League for Juve, big game player but while there he talked about affections for Madrid a lot and now he maybe likes to be back at Juve. I have some doubt he can settle here at United but it's slim pickings for strikers.
Which obviously Real are aware at and generally bringing him back and making profit on him, despite no Mbappe this year and yet limited playing time, kinda makes sense then?
Zidane was still Real's manager when they bought him back, yet he wasn't in the starting 11 this year and are looking at another striker the very next season?
Well no it doesn't make sense since Mbappe didn't exist as a realistic option when Morata was bought back. Zidane is clearly a Benzema fan (for obvious reasons) and with Ronaldo around, Morata gets most of his minutes as a sub.
Personally I'd rather sign Aubamyeang then any of Lukaku, Morata and Belotti. But out of those we're linked to I'd rather him (that being if he comes cheaper then the others as well, I dont think hes a 70 million pounds player, same with Lukaku).
He has immense potential as well, and he wont dwindle the growth of Martial or Rashford as his playstyle is quite different.
He has immense potential as well, and he wont dwindle the growth of Martial or Rashford as his playstyle is quite different.
Agreed, but shouldn't we(and Jose for that matter) be aiming higher than Milito level striker while blowing close to record fee on that position?
Yes I've been following him for a few years. He impressed me during his Juve CL games and is now ready to play a lead role at a big club.
To me Real are trying to flock him and force him out to get money for Mbappe it's simple really. They(including Zidane) don't rate him above Benzema level, let alone the next big thing in Mbappe.
It doesn't mean he's not a good player mind, but considering some other names floating and Griezmann (if that's the level we were looking at) and the fee touted it's crazy really.
Zidane wasn't going to give him a proper chance with Benzema around either way. Benzema was producing crap every week and still starting over him. With all the reports of him used as a 'real estate asset' and also Benzema going nowhere, even if they don't buy Mbappe he'll still be second fiddle to Benzema or whoever else they buy. Buying him back was no brainer - last year he was worth more in the current market and this year it was unlikely he'll depreciate in value.
As cruel as it sounds, sometimes it's true..
as the above quote goes - it's not like they didn't do it before did they?
Diego Costa might be in play and wont be a bad option to fill in the gap but assume he wants Atletico
Nobody is benching BBC anytime soon and its not just for footballing abilities.
If Bale was not out injured, Isco would still be on the bench.
Nobody is benching BBC anytime soon and its not just for footballing abilities.
Well count me into the category that football isn't some idiotic version of Monopoly where players are bought and sold for income. Madrid are the 2nd wealthiest club in the world and don't need the money and certainly don't need to flip home grown kids. You just have a situation where some managers prefer certain players based on personality and tend to stick with them. In Zidane's case, Benzema, despite not putting up big numbers, fit into his squad alongside Ronaldo better than Morata did. Mourinho won't make that mistake.
If a striker of Militos level became available I'd pay the money in a heartbeat,
Yet they do:
Alvaro Negredo
Sold for: £2.25 million to Liga newcomers Almería in the summer of 2007 after scoring 18 goals in the Segunda Division for Real Madrid’s B team.
Buyback: £3.75 million, executed in summer of 2009 after impressing for Almeria with 32 goals in 73 games.
Sold on for: £11.25 million to Sevilla after spending just one month at Madrid. He thrived at the Ramón Sánchez Pizjuán, scoring 85 goals in 182 games. His form was good enough to earn him caps for Spain and even another big move to Manchester City where he spent just one season, helping the Citziens win the Premier League.
Esteban Granero
Sold for: £2.25 million to Getafe in summer 2008. Having spent the previous season on loan at the small Madrid club, the move was the obvious one.
Buyback: £3 million in summer 2009. Unlike Negredo, Granero played a reasonable amount of games for Madrid. Spending three seasons at the Bernabeu as a squad member (without ever really coming close to being a starter for Los Blancos).
Sold on for: £9 million to QPR, where he was even more underwhelming than he was at Madrid.
Samuel Eto’o
Sold for: £4.4 million to Mallorca in the summer of 2000 after spending half a season on loan at the Son Moix.
Buyback: There wasn’t a buy-back clause, as such. Madrid didn’t sell him with a buyback, instead they transferred only 50% of his economic rights to Mallorca, retaining a controlling stake in his future.
Sold on for: £16 million to arch-rivals Barcelona. In a stunning miscalculation, Florentino Perez declined to buy-out the remainder of Eto’o’s contract and instead decided the Cameroonian marksman was not needed despite his 40 goals in 79 games for Mallorca over the previous two seasons.
We're talking about Madrid here. They are top of the food chain and don't need the money. They are clearly not a selling club by any rational measure.
Yeah he was a good striker of course, but considering our current one is Ibrahimovic and Jose has basically unlimited funds for that position, I'd expect a even bigger signing,
People saying that we should go for someone like like Auba or Lukaku, did you consider that these players may not want to play for us? It is known from prior interviews that Auba prefers Spain to England and going to PSG might be more preferable to him that England and Lukaku always wanted to play at Chelsea and now has big chance. Pogba wanted us so we got him. Chances are Morata does want us so maybe thats why are after him and ofcourse he fits the profile of player Jose wants.
Never said they were selling club, but why not reap the profit and double their investment in a course of a year or few months when they can? Selling inferior players for profit is not what you call selling club and it is what Chelsea also were doing lately and all teams with huge squads.
If they don't do that as you implied - although the whole ordeal around Morata implies that they'll bite someone hand off for proper profit - how do you explain buying back Negredo and selling him one month later?
Didn't all the reports last year sending Morata to Chelsea implied the very same scheme that Real have done not once, not twice but three times before?
Even more importantly, they may not be players Mourinho is interested in for a variety of reasons - personality, training commitment, off the pitch issues, and most importantly how a said player fits into the manager's overall squad vision of what they want to accomplish. Some players, despite being seemingly more prolific in terms of stats, don't necessarily check the box on all the other attributes.
This is getting a bit off topic now.
Ah I see. Well maybe I'm just struggling to come to terms with the fact that £60m buys you a back-up player. It's not as if he's super young and promising like Mbappe - he's 24. He's good, but I feel like he should be a lot cheaper than what he is. Then again it's not my money so why am I even bothered?
Doesn't exactly feel like this guy wants to come, his Italian wife will probably be in his ear about a transfer to serie A constantly as well.
Buy Lacazette, that is if he doesn't suffer from the sun addiction everyone we target seem to do.
Buy Lacazette, that is if he doesn't suffer from the sun addiction everyone we target seem to do.
Ah I see. Well maybe I'm just struggling to come to terms with the fact that £60m buys you a back-up player. It's not as if he's super young and promising like Mbappe - he's 24. He's good, but I feel like he should be a lot cheaper than what he is. Then again it's not my money so why am I even bothered?
He should be cheaper, as should most player. We just happen to be in a period where all transfers are inflated because of intense competition among the wealthy clubs.
Chances are Morata also doesn't want to play for us, but since he's forced out and we're the only club willing to pay close to what Real asking price is makes United a good destination with WC coming next year and relatively safe starting spot at a top club(read Di Maria).
Probably, although it's relevant to Real being open to sell, depending on the right price. I can see them dragging it down till the end of the window(waiting for offers) and if a desperate club (like United) needs a striker could still get a decent profit.
And what you basing that off?
So does everyone just base their opinion on signing ex Madrid players on what happened with Di Maria?
People are being ridiculous. Most Madrid rejects will walk in our team currently.
He wants to stay and if Madrid wants to sell they are asking for too much he never worth that 60-70m never IMO.
It seems to me that Morata depends entirely on Mbappe. If Real signs Mbappe, Morata will be sold and they won't have that much leverage in negotiating the fee. If not, Morata will stay. He doesn't want to leave unless forced out the door and Real won't be able to sign anyone better for the backup CF position so they'll gladly keep him.
I get the same impression. I'm waiting on Perez to launch a massive Mbappe bid in the 120m range within weeks.
Yup, that seems likely. They'll sweep in and get it done with a big bid.
Even without Mbappe, Morata is likely to leave Madrid. What he wants his starter minutes, and as long as Benzema is at Madrid and Zidane is coach, he wont get it.
This guy outperformed Benzema playing as a sub with fewer games. For whatever reason that even Madrid supporters can't fathom, Zidane preferred Benzema despite that fact. The fact is this, we need a quality striker. He is a quality striker and the best one we can't get. Griezman is no longer an option this summer and Mbappe is Madrid bound. Besides those 2, who else is available for United better than Morata?
Lukaku.
Auba?
Squawka: Morata, Lukaku, Auba, Lacazette, Belotti
Auba takes a bulk of the shots and Morata's usage is self-explanatory.
Auba takes a bulk of the shots and Morata's usage is self-explanatory.
Seems clear now Mbappe and Griezmann were our Neymar style risky punts but that Morata was the one we expected to get. Think fans need to be open to the idea of him coming. He won't be the only attacker coming and won't take us to the next level by himself, the other changes will have to do that. But he can play Jose football without being too Fellaini. He'll do fine maybe not stellar but good enough. The high low bartering will continue but we will get him. Even if at our usual inflated price.
Good points. Morata basically strikes me as a younger version of Ibra in terms of finishing, with better movement, comparable in the air, very good in the assist department and so on. If you factor in a good winger and a top DM, we will be in business and won't be as reliant on Martial and Rashford, which will make both of them better since they won't have to deal with the pressure.
You would have to change Morata from CL to La Liga 2016/17 in the drop down menu. Lacazette seems to be rate very well in such a comparison.
Didn't notice that was the default setting.
Numbers still look very good. It's between him and Lacazette even though I do have questions about Ligue 1 competition. Belotti should be the last ditch effort (hoping it doesn't come to that).
Yeah you can downgrade Lacazette a bit on behalf of the Ligue 1 defending.
Should switch to La Liga for Morata.
I don't think so. He is born and raised in Madrid and has made every indication throughout his career that his dream is to succeed at Real Madrid. He has already said this summer that he hopes to stay there but that it may not be up to him. Benzema is aging and had probably his worst ever season last year while Morata had his best so there is also plenty of reason for Morata to be optimistic about his playing time improving next year...but only if no other shiny new CF is brought in this summer.
In the end, it's probably a moot point because I think Madrid will sign Mbappe.
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