Álvaro Morata | Chelsea player

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Berbasbullet said:
For me it's just that were paying a Ronaldo or Pogba like fee for a Madrid bench player.
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Not saying much as majority madrid bench players are better than our starters. also, we don't know what fee we'll pay and how it will be structured at this point.

Morata would improve us.
 
MJJ said:
Instead of moaning about moaning, you can discuss why Morata will be a better player than the better replacements.
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Instead of moaning about moaning about moaning, we should know why he's good has been said multiple times, he's good technically, good target upfront that help the other players grow into the game. He won't score 30 goals in the season but he'll help the others around him to score and make the attack more fluent. He's more skillful than Lukaku and Belotti.

Now what's the better replacements ?
 
Maradona10 said:
I hope he isnt the only attacker we sign, it has to be him and a winger or a 10. We will get him i think by the end of the week he will be our player.
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We'll definitely be getting another attacker. Most likely a winger. The James links are still murmuring around too, who knows.
 
ivaldo said:
Don't know too much about him but glad Mourinho is going for a player in his mould. Having someone who can hold up play and challenge in the air is far more important than having pace up top, as so much here seem to think. We already have bucket loads of speed out wide, having a target man adds variety to our attack.

A question for those who have watched him more. Just how two footed is he? Seems to be comfortable with both feet, always a bonus.
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IMO and that's from a few times that I've seen him this season he does use both feet but his right foot is a much stronger one. Maybe Madrid fans can give more insight on this.

Other thing which I'm sure of, though, is that he has pace and good sprinting speed. This with his physicality makes him extremely dangerous when he attacks open space. Because of that he should have no problem adapting to EPL and he is Mourinho kinda striker.
 
Have I really just read people comparing Morata with Welbeck? I can't even think where to start. Suffice to say you're going to be pleasantly surprised....VERY pleasantly surprised if he signs and that's what you expect.
 
el3mel said:
Instead of moaning about moaning about moaning, we should know why he's good has been said multiple times, he's good technically, good target upfront that help the other players grow into the game. He won't score 30 goals in the season but he'll help the others around him to score and make the attack more fluent. He's more skillful than Lukaku and Belotti.

Now what's the better replacements ?
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Has he ever done that in his career for a sustained period of time? Didn't make juve more successful in the league and Madrid have one of the most complete sides out there.

For 78m, there will be loads of strikers who are better. Morata is a good signings but for something reasonable, not a previous world record fee.
 
el3mel said:
Instead of moaning about moaning about moaning, we should know why he's good has been said multiple times, he's good technically, good target upfront that help the other players grow into the game. He won't score 30 goals in the season but he'll help the others around him to score and make the attack more fluent. He's more skillful than Lukaku and Belotti.

Now what's the better replacements ?
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At 60 m would be good value for money, but above that is overpriced, we have backs to the wall with ibra injury and griezman stay after the ban. Still we should do griezman next summer or January if possible. And develop rashford and martial into serious goal scorers.

If we don't have backs to the wall we should have pushed for mbappe next summer.
 
Haven't really seen much of him, but surely this is a transfer we can trust seeing as Jose has worked with him before? Will know exactly what he can offer?

Seems to be perfect for the league though, good in the air, fairly quick, good finisher, strong and good hold up play... only question is whether he can step up and be the main man for a club like United.
 
MaxiPaxi said:
Maybe those people know a thing or two about football, hence the happiness?
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Last time I trusted those on here 'who knew a thing or two about football' I was led to believe Depay was going to tear this league a new one. How well that went.
 
MJJ said:
Has he ever done that in his career for a sustained period of time? Didn't make juve more successful in the league and Madrid have one of the most complete sides out there.

For 78m, there will be loads of strikers who are better. Morata is a good signings but for something reasonable, not a previous world record fee.
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What will make Juve more successful in the league anyway ? Did Higuain improved or changed anything with his goals. Juve will win the league regardless of the striker upfront. Regarding Madrid, Benz suited their style of play and I discussed this before. Benz is a better company for Ronaldo and this makes this system more fluent. He helps Ronaldo scores his load of goals that makes the team wins. Morata isn't like Benzema by any means and thus he's not suited for them. Him and James are good players in the wrong team.

I didn't say I agree to the fee asked for him. It's ridiculous and no one can say otherwise. We're talking about him as a player only.
 
MJJ said:
Has he ever done that in his career for a sustained period of time? Didn't make juve more successful in the league and Madrid have one of the most complete sides out there.

For 78m, there will be loads of strikers who are better. Morata is a good signings but for something reasonable, not a previous world record fee.
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Don't think we we pay anywhere near that amount. It's Insanity. But there are not world class strikers there below That fee may be only abamyang. Belotti and lukaku both super over priced and technically lesser.
 
Morata playing right now for Spain vs Colombia. His work rate is pretty good, missed a couple of close headers, but working hard.

Looks good in red #7. Just sayin'
 
prtk0811 said:
At 60 m would be good value for money, but above that is overpriced, we have backs to the wall with ibra injury and griezman stay after the ban. Still we should do griezman next summer or January if possible. And develop rashford and martial into serious goal scorers.

If we don't have backs to the wall we should have pushed for mbappe next summer.
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I didn't talk about the fee because no sane person will agree to the price Madrid asked for. If we could negotiate the price for 50-60m, it'll be good.

Don't forget that Morata is only 24. He's still young and still didn't enter his peak.
 
MJJ said:
For 78m, there will be loads of strikers who are better. Morata is a good signings but for something reasonable, not a previous world record fee.
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Who exactly? In today's market Lewa, Suarez would be unavailable for that sum, Cavani, Costa, Benzema and Aguero too... even Lukaku.
The one possible choice is Auba, but he is a different kind of striker, and apparently is already going to PSG.

Not that 78 millions for Morata is a reasonable price, mind.
 
MJJ said:
Instead of moaning about moaning, you can discuss why Morata will be a better player than the better replacements.
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I think i might have missed a memo or something. Why can't someone be happy with one striker from a selection of strikers and let the club decide who to get based on logistics and scouting?

I wasn't aware that I had to pick who was the 'best' out of the strikers available.
 
el3mel said:
What will make Juve more successful in the league anyway ? Did Higuain improved or changed anything with his goals. Juve will win the league regardless of the striker upfront. Regarding Madrid, Benz suited their style of play and I discussed this before. Benz is a better company for Ronaldo and this makes this system more fluent. He helps Ronaldo scores his load of goals that makes the team wins. Morata isn't like Benzema by any means and thus he's not suited for them. Him and James are good players in the wrong team.

I didn't say I agree to the fee asked for him. It's ridiculous and no one can say otherwise. We're talking about him as a player only.
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You cant talk about him without taking the fee into account, both are relevant. For example an average player for free is a decent signing, the same player for 50m will be a disaster.

I dont get this, so a player who makes the team play better did not improve the style over a poacher type striker and this isnt seen as a negative? If Morata all round game was as good as some of you are saying, then he should be playing above benzema since madrid dont really need goal scorers.

prtk0811 said:
Don't think we we pay anywhere near that amount. It's Insanity. But there are not world class strikers there below That fee may be only abamyang. Belotti and lukaku both super over priced and technically lesser.
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Thats what all the media is reporting, suarez, icardi, werner, lacazette or even some cheaper options like dzeko will be better for a lower/equal fee than a 24 year old kid who has never played as a main striker in his life.
 
breakout67 said:
I think i might have missed a memo or something. Why can't someone be happy with one striker from a selection of strikers and let the club decide who to get based on logistics and scouting?

I wasn't aware that I had to pick who was the 'best' out of the strikers available.
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Maybe because the post wasnt addressed to you.
 
harms said:
Who exactly? In today's market Lewa, Suarez would be unavailable for that sum, Cavani, Costa, Benzema and Aguero too... even Lukaku.
The one possible choice is Auba, but he is a different kind of striker, and apparently is already going to PSG.

Not that 78 millions for Morata is a reasonable price, mind.
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I think barca will be tempted to sell a 31 year old suarez for 78 million with their money problems and need to fix the midfield and defense. Cavani can be an option too if psg dont plan on playing a 4-4-2, dont think he will be happy playing on the wings.
 
MJJ said:
You cant talk about him without taking the fee into account, both are relevant. For example an average player for free is a decent signing, the same player for 50m will be a disaster.

I dont get this, so a player who makes the team play better did not improve the style over a poacher type striker and this isnt seen as a negative? If Morata all round game was as good as some of you are saying, then he should be playing above benzema since madrid dont really need goal scorers.
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And I never said I agree with his price. If we negotiate the price to about 50-60 it'll be enough for him. He's not average btw.

Morata helped Juve reach the final scoring in Madrid and scored in the final against Barca, and his assist against Bayern next season is well known. He did his job fine with them in Europe. I don't understand the point of improving Juve in the Serie A. They don't need any more improvements ? They're the best in the league already.

And in Madrid, it's about the system, not about the players only. A player can't fit their system but can very easily fit other system better. James also doesn't fit their system and that doesn't mean he's crap.

Both Morata and James can easily shine in another system suited for them imo.
 
el3mel said:
And I never said I agree with his price. If we negotiate the price to about 50-60 it'll be enough for him. He's not average btw.

Morata helped Juve reach the final scoring in Madrid and scored in the final against Barca, and his assist against Bayern next season is well known. He did his job fine with them in Europe. I don't understand the point of improving Juve in the Serie A. They don't need any more improvements ? They're the best in the league already.

And in Madrid, it's about the system, not about the players only. A player can't fit their system but can very easily fit other system better. James also doesn't fit their system and that doesn't mean he's crap.

Both Morata and James can easily shine in another system suited for them imo.
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He failed in the league but succeeded in europe, that suggests either a motivation issue or that he can be neutralized by managers who see him on a weekly basis. 50m for someone who has always been a bench player is insane as well. Them being the best in the league doesnt mean they cant get better. Morata has not been able to nail a position in any of the sides he has played in but suddenly people expect him to be our main striker.
 
MJJ said:
He failed in the league but succeeded in europe, that suggests either a motivation issue or that he can be neutralized by managers who see him on a weekly basis. 50m for someone who has always been a bench player is insane as well. Them being the best in the league doesnt mean they cant get better. Morata has not been able to nail a position in any of the sides he has played in but suddenly people expect him to be our main striker.
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He couldnt force out the worst Benzema in years but would be worth 90 million, we are the mugs if we fall for this, again.
 
MJJ said:
He failed in the league but succeeded in europe, that suggests either a motivation issue or that he can be neutralized by managers who see him on a weekly basis. 50m for someone who has always been a bench player is insane as well. Them being the best in the league doesnt mean they cant get better. Morata has not been able to nail a position in any of the sides he has played in but suddenly people expect him to be our main striker.
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But you said he was bench player and the club as this time also had Tevez in the striker option. How the managers know him at a regular basis if he was being benched a lot ?

What the problem in him being a bench player before or not ? It can be problem for the fee and that's the point I agree with that we shouldn't pay what Madrid asked for him, but we should evaluate the player on his skills and abilities, not if he was a bench in a system not suited for him or not. I don't think anyone considered Robben a really successful player before joining Bayern from Madrid. Things change and a bench player can be great in other teams suited for him more.

Also he's not an old player anyway. He's only still 24 and didn't even reach his peak in football yet.
 
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