Álvaro Morata | Chelsea player

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Funny when he was at Juve, I would have died for us to bring him in but that second spell at Real and some of his performances for Spain have me doubting my initial judgement.

He'll definitely be a solid signing, just hope we don't overpay though.. if he plays regularly, maybe he can grow into a top 9.

He is very good player and has all the attributes to be top quality #9, only worry is we might end up losing a lot (De Gea). If we can sign him without losing De Gea then we should try everything to get him.
 
so who are sky football uk? and why are saying the same thing as di marzio, yet @Scorpy quote says sky understands no bid has been given?



I can't see a story anywhere suggesting a bid has not been made - the Sky Sports UK website is still running the 'bid rejected' story. Sky Italia (who employ Di Marzio), Sky Sports UK and Sky Football UK are all the same thing.
 
30 is no age for a keeper.... De Gea will still be at his level for a good 7 or 8 years. Probably more.

Don't know about that. For me he's similar to Navas, cat like reflexes, generally great reactions, good in one on one situations, but not so great on set pieces and crosses into the box. When his reflexes fade, it will be the end of him (similar to Casillas).


Funny how you posted this and nothing has happened, I mean Morata isn't sold for higher price than De Gea.

Most here thought he'll be a 40-50 mil € player tops, but if you really want him you're going to have to come up with 70 mil € minimum (imho). Trying to be witty about it doesn't change anything. It's still a cold shower you did not expect, although it's in fact nothing more then reality of today's transfer market.
 
Most here thought he'll be a 40-50 mil € player tops, but if you really want him you're going to have to come up with 70 mil € minimum (imho). Trying to be witty about it doesn't change anything. It's still a cold shower you did not expect, although it's in fact nothing more then reality of today's transfer market.

If we buy him for 70 Million how does that mean he will cost more than De Gea?

For your post to be valid, both Morata and De Gea should move clubs. As of now both haven't.
 
We finished the season with Rashford upfront and our attacking play was completely dead.
in all fairness, we hardly attacked the last two months of the season, we spent most of the time in games with 10 men behind the ball, only attacked in 2's or 3's and when too many people crossed the half way line you could actually see mouinho screaming at them to get back......... we wern't just parking the bus, it was more like we had bought a static caravan and put it in front of our goal. Of course our attack is going to be flat in those circumstances, Judging Rashford for that is beyond unfair.

Rashford has the potentiol to be a top striker, if coached and supported properly, we need to nurture that, yes buy a back up becuase Rashfords form will fluctuate as all young players do, but can you imagine if we had broke the bank to bring in a replacemnt for Ronaldo 18 months into his united career when he was still inconsistent? or we had given up on De Gea after a season and bought a replacement?

you have to give talenetd youngsters a bit of time,
 
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If the players heart is not really into coming to United.........and bearing in mind Mourinho stated that he only wants players who WANT to play for the club, I think, to avoid another high priced disaster, we should leave well alone, no matter what.
 
Don't know about that. For me he's similar to Navas, cat like reflexes, generally great reactions, good in one on one situations, but not so great on set pieces and crosses into the box. When his reflexes fade, it will be the end of him (similar to Casillas).




Most here thought he'll be a 40-50 mil € player tops, but if you really want him you're going to have to come up with 70 mil € minimum (imho). Trying to be witty about it doesn't change anything. It's still a cold shower you did not expect, although it's in fact nothing more then reality of today's transfer market.
He is far better then Casillas ever was on setpieces and crosses. Taller and more robust too.
 
We should just not call them back and move on to other targets. They aren't getting a better offer than that, and while I like him, 70-80m is absolutely bonkers. Too bad the Auba ship seems to have sailed. Maybe we can have a look at Andre Silva or just sign an experienced warm body to make up the numbers and see what's available next summer.
 
so who are sky football uk? and why are saying the same thing as di marzio, yet @Scorpy quote says sky understands no bid has been given?
Well the Sky Sports UK article that you linked yourself says "Real Madrid have rejected a £52.4m (€60m) offer for striker Alvaro Morata from Manchester United, Sky in Italy understand." So it effectively acknowledges that it's from Di Marzio.
 
How about if we pay 100m for Belotti? They appear to be our two options - which would you go for?

I would go for welbeck and hernandez or vardy combined who'll contribute more goals than morata and shore up midfeild and defense and bring mbappe here next summer along with griz
 
Peter Crouch had a fantastic England record. Which big games? Clearly he wasn't composed or he wouldn't be missing so many chances. He was fast, not frightening though. Rashford is what I call frightening.

If Welbeck had such an incredible reputation as you claim, why were Arsenal fans celebrating on SSN when they thought the deal fell through?

Somehow some way you might have got it confused I rate Welbeck as a top striker. Research your self, he's probably scored against every top team he's played against.
 
Don't know about that. For me he's similar to Navas, cat like reflexes, generally great reactions, good in one on one situations, but not so great on set pieces and crosses into the box. When his reflexes fade, it will be the end of him (similar to Casillas).

Haha, And morata will be ibrahimovic?
 
I am sure 90 m euros will even tempt muller to come here and he could give it a thought at least once.
 
Skybet have him 6/1 to leave Madrid

Why are they so sure he's leaving? If Real Madrid are really holding out for £80m, there's absolutely no chance he leaves.
 
It does make sense for Real not to want to sell him though, or only want to sell him for a ridiculous price. If Benzema is their main striker for next season, then they aren't going to get anyone nearly as good to play second fiddle to him and they don't need the money. He also seems to love Real so is probably fine with staying and trying to work his way into the XI.
 
£78 million for morata?

feck this, bring back joshua king and get defoe in on a free :lol::lol:
 
He did get ahead of llorente towards the end of the season, starting the CL semis and final while llorente sat on the bench. In his second season, Mandzukic was better than him and he did have issues off the pitch whether you accept it or not.

So ultimately it took him 7 months to oust Llorente who let's be fair hasn't pulled up any trees since then and wasn't about to oust Mandzukic at all. Gotcha.

Never said he was worth €90m, but that does not mean one should belittle his abilities. He is fully capable of scoring 20+ goals consistently for any quality side, and has the potential to develop into a WC. The fact that you think he was supplemental to Tevez and Dybala showed you didnt see much of him at Juve.

It's a futile discussion as to what a players true worth really is, ultimately he's worth what the buying club pays for him. Our first bid at €60m is way too generous considering a proven and a better goalscorer in Aubameyang is moving to PSG for €10 million more. I don't know what you mean by the last part, I have a different opinion than you so that automatically means I didn't watch him at Juventus? Morata was supplementary in attack, he was never the focal point or the key attacker to say. First it was Tevez, now it is Dybala.

James is the older and better player but his numbers are not better than Morata. Morata has 1.01 goals + 0.27 assists per 90 min while James has 0.61 goal +0.46 assists per 90mins.

Again you're only confining yourself to this season statistics which funny enough are in complete consonance with his debut season in 13/14 where he scored 8 goals in 559 minutes in the league. GPM comes out at 69.7 which was clearly not sustainable as proven during his 2 stints at Juventus. Where even in many starts he couldn't replicate the productivity at Real.

James has 24 goals and assists in 1824 minutes this season compared to Moratas 26 in 1872 minutes, there is not a huge difference and keep in mind James is not a #9. Go back further and James shits on Morata from a great height. In James first 2 years at Real he scored 25 goals and got 28 assists, keep in mind Real only played a system with a #10 while Ancelotti was there meaning he's been playing out of position and has still put up ridiculous numbers.

If you feel having the second highest (behind Messi) goal rate per min is average, then I wish you good luck find anything better than average.

That proves he's the 2nd best player in La Liga or the best player at Real considering he has a better goal rate than Ronaldo? You're reading far too much into it, sample size is too small to take anything from it. Chicharito during his debut season had best goal rate per minute PL had ever seen, that was largely inflated as he was in and out of the team throughout the season. Once, he became a regular he couldn't sustain that rate as his limitations became more apparent.

Aubameyang is older, and is not much better than Morata (if at all), and Mbappe has shown great potential but is yet to be seen if his progress will continue, but Morata is better than the lot of Lukaku, Lacazette and Belotti. The fact that the club seem to priotize him ahead of these alternatives supports my point.

All of them are better than Morata. Aubameyang is miles better, he has scored more goals this season than Morata has combined in last 2 and a half years. Mbappe is a future world beater, he's scored 26 in a season at age of 18 and it's apparent to anybody who has watched him this season. Both Lukaku and Lacazette are better goalscorer than Morata and they have proven track record, the deliver it season after season. Lukaku has scored 71 goals in last 3 seasons, Lacazette has scored 91. Please look at their consistency before making a claim like that.

Only Belotti is debatable as he has a caveat attached to him as this is his first season where he has scored so many goals but again his season trumps anything Morata has done. Also Morata has one and a half year on him.
 
It does make sense for Real not to want to sell him though, or only want to sell him for a ridiculous price. If Benzema is their main striker for next season, then they aren't going to get anyone nearly as good to play second fiddle to him and they don't need the money. He also seems to love Real so is probably fine with staying and trying to work his way into the XI.

They presumably think they can get Mbappe in to be an understudy/rotation option with Benzema. Consequently, we can expect them to drive the fee for Morata up as high as possible - it looks like Mbappe will cost an absolute fortune.
 
None of the players we're being linked with a worth anything like the money we're seeing quoted in the press. Our reported offer £52m is more than fair for Morata.

There's gotta be some old timer we can get in for a season or 2 like Ibra
 
I did, look a couple pages back
I'm not gonna go looking up your old posts to find out what you mean when you reply to my post. If you can't bother enough to write a proper response, don't hit reply.
 
It does make sense for Real not to want to sell him though, or only want to sell him for a ridiculous price. If Benzema is their main striker for next season, then they aren't going to get anyone nearly as good to play second fiddle to him and they don't need the money. He also seems to love Real so is probably fine with staying and trying to work his way into the XI.

But it does not make sense for morata to keep being a bench man who knows he'll never be madrid's main no 9 if mbappe's intrest of madrid is real.
 
Does Lacazette want a move to United? If he does, better to go for a player willing to play for United than a Morata who might not be so keen. But who really knows what these players want these days?
 
Skybet have him 6/1 to leave Madrid

Why are they so sure he's leaving? If Real Madrid are really holding out for £80m, there's absolutely no chance he leaves.

do betting odds really tell us much? They move on the same info we have. They seem to move based on rumours.
 
They presumably think they can get Mbappe in to be an understudy/rotation option with Benzema. Consequently, we can expect them to drive the fee for Morata up as high as possible - it looks like Mbappe will cost an absolute fortune.

But no one will go to 90 m for morata, not even chelsea. Instead we should do Mbappe then next summer or this and assure him game time.
 
DDG doesnt really come out to claim crosses or command his area like you would expect for his height.

Still this league's and united best keeper and players for past 3 years. The league where most crosses come in and the league is very physical.
 
do betting odds really tell us much? They move on the same info we have. They seem to move based on rumours.

Betting odds for transfers (players and managers) are bollocks. They react to how much is staked (it doesn't take a lot to move 10/1 into evens in these markets). Pretty much its a cycle. Skybet have Player A to move to Chelsea at 10/1, they release a story linking, people then bet it, moves the price to 5/1. People see the price has moved + the story then back it more becoming 3/1. Because of the odds, more people release rumours linking the player and so on.
 
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