I know it's meaningless, but that seems to be what everyone is pissing and moaning about lately. Everyone we are linked with costs too much according to the caf. So as I say, let's all agree every player costs too much and move on.
Álvaro Morata | Chelsea player
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Apparently Zidane has said to the club he wants Morata to stay and if the club want to sell him, he will need a replacement.
All per Marca.
All per Marca.
But that was only this year were Madrid had a very strong season. At Juventus, his stats were not that impressive
Mbappe?
Not quite the case. Players are not that expensive. Clubs are simply trying to rip us off because we always seem like an easy target.
Chelsea signed Kante for 30m while we spent 90 on Pogba. City signed Silva for 43m while we're being asked 80m for Morata.
If you pay over the odds prepare to be asked over the odds prices
If it was so important shouldnt they at least try to sign one of them. They basically signed a second keeper that is not much better (if at all) than the current one.
Market is so big, and you are yet to list the 100 alternatives of similar quality. Morata is not do or die, but we are in a position where we can use a player they want as leverage.
and they can continue to win the CL while we continue to finish 6th?
You are the one with knowledge of the big market.
Abels plays for Hull and?
How recent?
Juve - Khedira, Higuain (via Napoli), Morata (loan)
Bayern - Robben, Alonso
PSG - Jese, Di Maria (via United), Pepe (free)
They wont sell to Barca as local rivals and only Chelsea doesnt have a former Madrid player of recent (since Geremi and Makelele)
My whole argument is that I dont see the sense in the "no DDG" approach. If Madrid wants DDG, we should be willing to negotiate if it would get us good prices on their players we are interested in. Of course if the terms are not good enough, we should move on, but I do not agree with the "hands off DDG" school of thought. Selling DDG and getting Morata and/or James and replacing DDG with a very good GK is an upgrade for the team imo.
This.
People just moaning about the price tag. But...
1. We need a "at least, vry good" #9, yes, vry desperately, especially given our attacking flaw this season
2. Limited option for the quality
3. We are buying a 1st team player, for at least a couple of years, but just one season
4. Inflated mkt
Sometimes price has to be judged in the context of other factors, espeially the #1 factor above.
We simply cant afford to take more risk by signing a cheaper/less quality player
Everyone complaining about the price of the deal need to consider that although it may be inflated, he's only 24 and can develop further into a better player. He played a bit part last season and still managed over 20 goals, hard to do when your in and out of the side and can't maintain the consistency of regular game time. Real spent over 80m on Bale who was exceptional for spurs in his last 2 seasons and so far for Madrid he's been sub standard. Buying big name players isn't always a guarantee of success and although Morata isn't a WC player he could easily develop into one. We also have a strong Spanish contingent in the team and he has a good understanding with Pogba from their Turin days.
I would rather we buy him for whatever it costs and keep DDG, we can afford to do both. Lukaku to Chelsea looks a done deal and there isn't much else available with the experience Morata would bring. He's also a pretty good finisher and hold up player and has a good turn of speed when needed.
I would rather we buy him for whatever it costs and keep DDG, we can afford to do both. Lukaku to Chelsea looks a done deal and there isn't much else available with the experience Morata would bring. He's also a pretty good finisher and hold up player and has a good turn of speed when needed.
I really can't see us signing Morata. This is rumours peddled by RM i think to kindle interest for a player they would like to sell. I struggle to find a good example of a player similar to Morata bought/used by Mourinho in his previous Clubs. As far as i can tell Mourinho prefers a stronger forward, examples being the likes of Drogba, Zlatan(inter), Benzema, Costa etc.
I think that if we sign a #9 it will be someone of the same mould as those.
I think that if we sign a #9 it will be someone of the same mould as those.
Yes, I think Morata has much more to his game than Lukaku.
They can't sign the 4 GKs I mentioned even if they tried. They spent 40 Million on GK and that says it all.
If I work as full time scout and I could. We don't need 100 alternatives, we just need 1 and we can sign him.
What's your point?
And we can't sign Abel if we deal with Watford.
I said directly from Madrid, Khedira, Pepe are free transfers, so when the clubs signed them they were no longer Madrid players.
I'm not talking about 10-15 years, more like last 5 years. So to answer that there aren't many. These clubs did well before they signed Madrid players or even after selling them.
We shouldn't sell De Gea unless we get the best deal possible, not settling for whatever is thrown at us. If it's a player+cash then the money should be good enough for us to part ways with keeper like De Gea.
Btw, how many top clubs sells their top keeper? or how many world class GKs even move from their clubs when they are their peak?
Benzema has never been a profilic scorer and anyone trying to present otherwise is just being disingenuous. Since joining Madrid, Benzema has only scored 30+ goals in all competitions in 1 out of 8 seasons. His tally of 19 in 48 games this season is not different from his 20 in 50 games in 2012/13.
As to favoritism, I dont remember Perez flying to James (or any other player's) house to personally convince him to join Madrid like he did with Benzema, nor has James ever described Zidane as a godfather to himself. Benzema is one of Perez favorites (thinks he is worlds best #9) and is also very close to Zidane (possibly french/algerain ties). James does not enjoy such.
Morata was not first choice at Juve. In his first season he scored 13 goals + 7 assist in 20 starts + 20 sub appearances in serie A+CL. He was behind Tevez and llorente for most of the season. In his second year, he was behind Mandzukic and scored 9 goals+9 assists in 22 starts + 20 sub appearances in serie A+CL. The kid admitted that he struggled to concentrate on the pitch due to the uncertainty around his future, he didnt know if Madrid would exercise the buyback clause, possibvly selling him to another team, and Juve were reluctant to invest long term only for Madrid to buy him back.
Morata has scored 15 goals in 26 la liga appearances, with 11 goals coming from 14 starts, and only 4 goals from his 12 sub appearances. So no, he does not score as much coming off the bench as you claimed.
James is a older and better player than Morata, but he has also enjoyed playing more minutes earlier in his career which has helped his development. Morata is a highly talented and rounded striker, and the level of development he has shown despite his limited minutes is evidence of this. There is currently no other #9 in the market that is clearly better than Morata
I...don't even know where to begin
But we don't need the money to buy, we can buy anyone if we want them so bad. You don't need to weaken a position in order to make others stronger. Also that does not mean we buy overrated players for overrated prices.
Weakening any position is not an option at all.
Sparkling post that, really conributed. Thanks for Your 2 centsI...don't even know where to begin
Offering 60 million for a non (potential)-worldclass striker is truly bizarre, getting that refused with a counter offer of 90 million is insane. The market has fecked. We can get so much better for that price. Bloody Morata..
Apparently it's Morata or bust, we can't improve our attack if we don't sign him.
It's just your post was so....wrong....on every level...Sparkling post that, really conributed. Thanks for Your 2 cents
The problem is there is a shortage of talent, so you either accept the weakening of a position to strengthen the team at a reasonable price, or over pay for potentially lesser quality to strengthen the team.
Atletico, who dont need anything from us, are simply waiting for us to pay the buyout clause for Griezmann.
Even Inter are rumored (from a reliable source) to want Woodward to sacrifice his first born on an altar in the san siro before selling Perisic to us for 100m.
Should have tried our luck with Lacazette/Aubameyang, Im not a fan of Lukaku at all but he'd be a better option for that price too. Rather just keep Ibra and Rashford, mind. Ibra is still better than them all and not injury-prone or anything, just unlucky. Then we have another year to search for a decent striker. Dont believe Morata is better than Icardi either.
Lacazette would be good addition. Shame we aren't interested.
We are always so hell bent on certain players, like Fabregas and Bale in 2013, really dont know why. Doesnt think it helps either that Mourinho isnt involved anymore since handing his list, very little room for anticipation.
As a Real Madrid fan who sees Morata a lot, maybe you should break it down for him and discuss? Being a forum and all?
How much would Lacazette be for us? £50m?
Peter Crouch had a fantastic England record. Which big games? Clearly he wasn't composed or he wouldn't be missing so many chances. He was fast, not frightening though. Rashford is what I call frightening.
If Welbeck had such an incredible reputation as you claim, why were Arsenal fans celebrating on SSN when they thought the deal fell through?
Yeah, sorry, it's just....i literally didn't know where to begin
So:
1) Perez does not have the power to plant rumors in the italian media
2) Mourinho knows the player personally, being the guy who gave him his professional debut
3) Morata is 1.90m tall. He's big and strong as hell
4) Mourinho likes his CF to be physical and to be warriors. Morata is both
Yeah, sorry, it's just....i literally didn't know where to begin
So:
1) Perez does not have the power to plant rumors in the italian media
2) Mourinho knows the player personally, being the guy who gave him his professional debut
3) Morata is 1.90m tall. He's big and strong as hell
4) Mourinho likes his CF to be physical and to be warriors. Morata is both
Thanks for that
I have seen plenty of Morata, I know what he can and cant do but could not in a million years justify paying 70-90 million euro for him.We are supposedly interested in Lacazette. And I don't think Aubameyang wants to come to England.
Not true.
Regarding Belotti and Morata - experience is relative
This is Belotti's second year of doing well in the Serie A. Last season he scored a respectable 12 goals in 34 games which is quite significant considering that he played for little Torino. Having said that, he's got no experience at a top club and had never played out of the Italy. The latter is not an issue with Morata who played with both Real and Juventus. However, unlike Belotti he had never been a regular lone striker. Its one think being a Chicarito and its another being RVN or Ibra. The pressure for the latter is far higher.
Honestly, Id rather see us sign Belotti then Morata. The former is a better finisher.
This is Belotti's second year of doing well in the Serie A. Last season he scored a respectable 12 goals in 34 games which is quite significant considering that he played for little Torino. Having said that, he's got no experience at a top club and had never played out of the Italy. The latter is not an issue with Morata who played with both Real and Juventus. However, unlike Belotti he had never been a regular lone striker. Its one think being a Chicarito and its another being RVN or Ibra. The pressure for the latter is far higher.
Honestly, Id rather see us sign Belotti then Morata. The former is a better finisher.
Would Torino negotiate on the price?
EDIT: BILD claiming Aubameyang is off to PSG for 70m yet if we still negotiation, we are probably trying to bring madrid down to 75-80m for one of their very good bench players.
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Are we?BILD claiming Aubameyang is off to PSG for 70m yet we are trying to bring madrid down to 80m for one of their very good bench players.
All we know is that we bid 60M Euros for Morata.
They don't seem to be willing to do that. In matter of fact they refused Arsenal's bid in January of around 50m. I like Morata. He's a bit of a Saha that one. Belotti on the other hand is more of a hardworking RVN or a Mark Hughes with better finishing, (in Italy everyone is comparing him to a young Vialli but that means little for most posters in here who barely remember a young Vialli playing). That is, in my opinion, what we need. Lets focus on scoring the goals first and then finetune on dribbling etc.
sorry, i shouldn't have typed that as a definite thing. If we still are negotiating then i'd imagine we are trying to bring it down to 75-80m
Fair enough, going by your post you have a huge hardon for Morata and rate him very highly so let's discuss bit by bit.
If he's not being put in XI out of favoritism of Benzema at Real, what was the reason for not being able to break into Juve's XI ahead of Llorente and Manduzkic? Don't tell me you believe he wasn't able to break into the side because of uncertainty about his future
No matter how you dress it, his goal scoring record is not special. Especially when you think of the figures being thrown around for him. €90 million is a steep price tag which you pay for a special player, Morata is far from one, he is a forward who is known for his 'all-round game' rather than his goalscoring. We are a side who is badly struggling for goals and he's being bought to replace Ibrahimovic goals who scored 28 for us. Do you honestly believe he's going to match never mind better that number? Because that's the kind of goalscorer we need in the side and Morata hasn't shown anything in his career so far which suggests he is a clinical striker. In all the teams he has played for, he has never been THE goalscorer, he is always supplementary to the other forward. Tevez in his first season, Dybala the following season. Ditto at Madrid.
Situation at United would be completely different, he'll be seen as the main man who has to deliver the goods on a weekly basis. Also, we are not as good as Real/Juve in attack so he's not going to have great service he's enjoyed this season. Pogba who enjoyed first team football at Juventus for four years has struggled to meet the expectations during his debut season because of the price tag and his role in the team handed him the responsibility of being our main man in midfield. Morata will be no different, he'll have to go from being a supplementary player in the attack to the focal point.
I don't know where to even begin on last point, James is a number 10 who has also played a lot of games out wide and yet he has a better goalscoring record than an out and out CF in Morata. James has also been bit part player for last 2 seasons. This season he's scored 11 goals and got 13 assists in 1824 minutes. Last season he scored 10 goals and got 8 assists in 1858 minutes. This is also while playing in a system which doesn't have a #10 meaning he has to play as part of midfield 3 or out wide and yet he has better numbers than a number 9 in Morata.
Don't know what development and what 'evidence' you're talking about because his stats are consistently average and far from suggests he is a highly talented goalscoring forward that this team needs. Also, it's blasphemous that you think he's the best striker on the market considering there is highly probability of Mbappe, Lukaku, Belotti, Lacazette and Aubameyang moving this summer. Every single one of them is a better forward than Morata.
Some numbers for other strikers:
Higuain-£75m
Belotti-£70m
Lukaku-£80m
Aubameyang-£60m
Lacazette-£50m
Mbappe-all of those put together
What's a CF worth in today's market?
Higuain-£75m
Belotti-£70m
Lukaku-£80m
Aubameyang-£60m
Lacazette-£50m
Mbappe-all of those put together
What's a CF worth in today's market?
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Risky to do business with Real so early in the summer, better to wait a while and see how the DDG situation plays out.
Lukaku being worth 80m says it all.
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