Álvaro Morata | Chelsea player

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cheeky_backheel said:
The problem is there is a shortage of talent, so you either accept the weakening of a position to strengthen the team at a reasonable price, or over pay for potentially lesser quality to strengthen the team.

Atletico, who dont need anything from us, are simply waiting for us to pay the buyout clause for Griezmann.

Even Inter are rumored (from a reliable source) to want Woodward to sacrifice his first born on an altar in the san siro before selling Perisic to us for 100m.
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There is no shortage of talent, this is a so fergie and Wenger line. Lack of quality in the market. Does not float around.

Regarding griezmann we are ready to pay his buy out clause but the ban has meant atletico will be in bad position I he leaves and simeone griezman and the chairman reach a compromise to stay another year.

If someone like morata wants to spend another year as a bench option before the world cup than it's up to him and his Mrs happiness. It's not that any other club including Chelsea or Milan clubs are willing to match any overinflated price for a bench option who has not been consistant enough and who has never achived great heights at 24.

There are many talents out there and better scouting is what is to be done rather than buying for overinflated prices for overrated players.
 
Emmet said:
Thanks for that :) I have seen plenty of Morata, I know what he can and cant do but could not in a million years justify paying 70-90 million euro for him.
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It's the market

At the end of the day, his potential is unreal. If he turns a couple screws you're looking at Shevchenko 2.0

It's no wonder that Conte and Mourinho want him so badly. And Mou especially knows him very well
 
giorno said:
It's the market

At the end of the day, his potential is unreal. If he turns a couple screws you're looking at Shevchenko 2.0

It's no wonder that Conte and Mourinho want him so badly. And Mou especially knows him very well
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That's him being overated.
 
So who are the options?

Aubameyang looks to be heading to PSG.

Lukaku looks to be heading to Chelsea

Arsenal doesn't seem keen on selling Sanchez to a direct rival.

Griezmann is staying in Spain.


Seems it's either we go for Lacazette, Morata, Belloti or we stick with what we have right now but try to build a strong caste around them (Maybe Rashford's star is refusing to dim?).

I think we need to do whatever it takes to buy either Morata or Lacazette and go ahead to improve in the wide areas and midfield. From all indications, United will likely have to spend more than others would to get new players. It's basic logic. We are perceived as extremely rich! No one will offer us any rate that is 'normal'. 'Normal' is not for the rich.

It shouldn't be, but it is the sad reality. I say, Ed and his team should negotiate hard and then buy. Which figure that comes down to, is anyone's guess.
 
pocco said:
I don't think we should gamble on Rashford and Martial as our strikeforce next season or the season could quite easily turn out to be a complete disaster. Besides I still believe that Martial will be better from the left in the long run.

Regarding Morata, i think he could go on to become a really good striker. He's got a lot of good attributes. I would have loved Belotti but that was when i thought we'd get Silva and Griezmann, who could provide a world class supply to him. Now we've not got that I'm wondering if we need more of an all rounder up front. If we could supply Belotti well then i know he'll bag the goals and i can see him being a massive fans favourite.
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Totally agree with this. I just can't see Morata coming in and hitting 20+ goals which we would need from him. I'd rather we looked elsewhere or even Belotti.
 
GM K said:
Seems it's either we go for Lacazette, Morata, Belloti or we stick with what we have right now but try to build a strong caste around them (Maybe Rashford's star is refusing to dim?).
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Morata would be a far bigger guarantee then Belotti... Morata has spent his last 4 years getting plenty of football at Madrid and Juve, so will be more then prepared to play at a club of our stature.

If it's between the two of them, it's a no-brainer for me.

Lacazette would be an interesting one, would certainly have him over Belotti and think he's the better alternative to Morata, however it doesn't really look like we're interested.
 
It seems that he really doesn't want to move so I don't see why we bother chasing him. And then there's us funding RM's bid for Mbappé by overpaying for their backup striker.
 
Morata would be a good fit for us, but that price looks high. Then again, he is still very young, so we'd presumably get a good number of years service from him, if he's a success.

Crazy market.
 
Funny how everyone is in shock now that rumored Morata fee is higher then what DDG was supposed to go for (just as I claimed it will be couple of days ago and was laughed at).

I just can't picture even the best goal keeper being worth as much as a 24 years old nr. 9 who's scoring for the best team in the world in a market where proper nr. 9's are so scarce and the player is still developing. Imagine the resale value if Morata was to deliver at Man United. He'd probably be worth more 4-5 years down the road then what you would pay for him now.

There is no added (resale) value in DDG. If we buy him the guy is 27 after the beginning of the season and 30 years old 3 years later, while you could end up playing Morata for a few years and actually making money when selling him later on.
 
60 million seems about fair for him at the current market rate. We would just have to wait it out to see.
 
BarstoolProphet said:
It seems that he really doesn't want to move so I don't see why we bother chasing him. And then there's us funding RM's bid for Mbappé by overpaying for their backup striker.
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To be fair, Madrid would probably have to pay about £50-£60mil (maybe even £70m) more for Mbappe then we would for Morata (If we got him for about £70m which I think is what it would take.)

Crazy money really, but then Higuain cost £75m and he's not exactly world class or anything... I guess thats just the price of strikers.
 
gaucho_10 said:
Funny how everyone is in shock now that rumored Morata fee is higher then what DDG was supposed to go for (just as I claimed it will be couple of days ago and was laughed at).

I just can't picture even the best goal keeper being worth as much as a 24 years old nr. 9 who's scoring for the best team in the world in a market where proper nr. 9's are so scarce and the player is still developing. Imagine the resale value if Morata was to deliver at Man United. He'd probably be worth more 4-5 years down the road then what you would pay for him now.

There is no added (resale) value in DDG. If we buy him the guy is 27 after the beginning of the season and 30 years old 3 years later, while you could end up playing Morata for a few years and actually making money when selling him later on.
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Funny how you posted this and nothing has happened, I mean Morata isn't sold for higher price than De Gea.
 
Real wants a swap between DDG and their reserve
 
gaucho_10 said:
Funny how everyone is in shock now that rumored Morata fee is higher then what DDG was supposed to go for (just as I claimed it will be couple of days ago and was laughed at).

I just can't picture even the best goal keeper being worth as much as a 24 years old nr. 9 who's scoring for the best team in the world in a market where proper nr. 9's are so scarce and the player is still developing. Imagine the resale value if Morata was to deliver at Man United. He'd probably be worth more 4-5 years down the road then what you would pay for him now.

There is no added (resale) value in DDG. If we buy him the guy is 27 after the beginning of the season and 30 years old 3 years later, while you could end up playing Morata for a few years and actually making money when selling him later on.
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30 is no age for a keeper.... De Gea will still be at his level for a good 7 or 8 years. Probably more.
 
giorno said:
No. I said "if he turns a couple screws". Meaning he's not there yet, but has the potential to reach that level
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What's being offered is enough for a potential or even 10 m euros plus would be understandable. 'if' costs 30 m euros more than wonder if anyone else thinks so as well.

Than may be we should ask a combined of 70 m for the likes of januzaj and peierera for the" if "who has the potential to be the next draxler and coutinho and try to sound reasonable.
 
Kush said:
Fair enough, going by your post you have a huge hardon for Morata and rate him very highly so let's discuss bit by bit.

If he's not being put in XI out of favoritism of Benzema at Real, what was the reason for not being able to break into Juve's XI ahead of Llorente and Manduzkic? Don't tell me you believe he wasn't able to break into the side because of uncertainty about his future :lol:
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He did get ahead of llorente towards the end of the season, starting the CL semis and final while llorente sat on the bench. In his second season, Mandzukic was better than him and he did have issues off the pitch whether you accept it or not.

No matter how you dress it, his goal scoring record is not special. Especially when you think of the figures being thrown around for him. €90 million is a steep price tag which you pay for a special player, Morata is far from one, he is a forward who is known for his 'all-round game' rather than his goalscoring. We are a side who is badly struggling for goals and he's being bought to replace Ibrahimovic goals who scored 28 for us. Do you honestly believe he's going to match never mind better that number? Because that's the kind of goalscorer we need in the side and Morata hasn't shown anything in his career so far which suggests he is a clinical striker. In all the teams he has played for, he has never been THE goalscorer, he is always supplementary to the other forward. Tevez in his first season, Dybala the following season. Ditto at Madrid.
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Never said he was worth €90m, but that does not mean one should belittle his abilities. He is fully capable of scoring 20+ goals consistently for any quality side, and has the potential to develop into a WC. The fact that you think he was supplemental to Tevez and Dybala showed you didnt see much of him at Juve.

Situation at United would be completely different, he'll bE seen as the main man who has to deliver the goods on a weekly basis. Also, we are not as good as Real/Juve in attack so he's not going to have great service he's enjoyed this season. Pogba who enjoyed first team football at Juventus for four years has struggled to meet the expectations during his debut season because of the price tag and his role in the team handed him the responsibility of being our main man in midfield. Morata will be no different, he'll have to go from being a supplementary player in the attack to the focal point.
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Majority of his starts has come playing with other team B players and he has done well enough to convince. Even a player like Griezmann is not guaranteed to succeed at a new club,so tere is always an element of risk. But of all the players available, he is the best of the lot.

I don't know where to even begin on last point, James is a number 10 who has also played a lot of games out wide and yet he has a better goalscoring record than an out and out CF in Morata. James has also been bit part player for last 2 seasons. This season he's scored 11 goals and got 13 assists in 1824 minutes. Last season he scored 10 goals and got 8 assists in 1858 minutes. This is also while playing in a system which doesn't have a #10 meaning he has to play as part of midfield 3 or out wide and yet he has better numbers than a number 9 in Morata.
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James is the older and better player but his numbers are not better than Morata. Morata has 1.01 goals + 0.27 assists per 90 min while James has 0.61 goal +0.46 assists per 90mins.
Don't know what development and what 'evidence' you're talking about because his stats are consistently average and far from suggests he is a highly talented goalscoring forward that this team needs. Also, it's blasphemous that you think he's the best striker on the market considering there is highly probability of Mbappe, Lukaku, Belotti, Lacazette and Aubameyang moving this summer. Every single one of them is a better forward than Morata.
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If you feel having the second highest (behind Messi) goal rate per min is average, then I wish you good luck find anything better than average.

Aubameyang is older, and is not much better than Morata (if at all), and Mbappe has shown great potential but is yet to be seen if his progress will continue, but Morata is better than the lot of Lukaku, Lacazette and Belotti. The fact that the club seem to priotize him ahead of these alternatives supports my point.
 


Perez has spoken to key members of the squad/clubm they all want Navas to stay. They aren't going after De Gea.


So i'd imagine our Morata bid will have to be higher.
 
WPMUFC said:
So our Morata bid will have to be higher.
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Good. It's not my money anyway. Bid £120m for Morata; that way even if Real Madrid buy Mbappe for £113m we'll still have the world record.
 
If Jose really wants him just pay the money, we make enough of it, then is they come for De Gea we just tell them we want more then we did originally, think he would suit our system better then the other players we have been linked with so far if honest.
 
it shows how few decent strikers their are out there, when a player who has never been much more then a squad player at top clubs is been quoted as worth over £60 million.

would be a decent signing at the right price, but honestly i'd rather start the season with Rashfrod upfront.
 
Nytram Shakes said:
it shows how few decent strikers their are out there, when a player who has never been much more then a squad player at top clubs is been quoted as worth over £60 million.

would be a decent signing at the right price, but honestly i'd rather start the season with Rashfrod upfront.
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We finished the season with Rashford upfront and our attacking play was completely dead.
 
Everyone always moans about price. If we don't pay the market rate we'll end up with no one. Would that make people happier? Sounds like it would. Mmmmmm 0's in a bank account.

And 'we can do better' -- like who? Strikers are just in their own stupid league, cost wise. Which is why Pogba's fee will very soon become a good one. It will be superseded comfortably in the next few years.
 
WPMUFC said:
I thought Sky Italia and Sky Sports UK were seperate entities.
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It's the same parent company, Sky plc, which is headquartered in the UK. Sky Italia is just one subsidiary.

Di Marzio is essentially an Italian Balague (albeit more reliable).
 
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Funny when he was at Juve, I would have died for us to bring him in but that second spell at Real and some of his performances for Spain have me doubting my initial judgement.

He'll definitely be a solid signing, just hope we don't overpay though.. if he plays regularly, maybe he can grow into a top 9.
 
There's no doubt we need a number 9. There's not a wealth of options out there. I'd be happy with Morata, but we really need to improve what is around the number 9. We badly need wingers.
 
Morata is in love with real. Dont want utd to sign a real player with his heart set in madrid whats the point. He doesnt even want to move and another problem is his wife who loves italy and morata is fond of italy too. Please not another di maria situation where utd blow 80m and he will keep on hinting his love for spain and italy and then we sell him for 30m to milan in a couple of years time. For some reason morata and utd dont seem to match in my eyes god knows why. Anyway hope i am wrong, utd sign him and becomes a utd legend. I guess utds expensive flop transfer dealings since sir alex has made me fear the worst. Jose knows best
 
GM K said:
So who are the options?

Aubameyang looks to be heading to PSG.



Lukaku looks to be heading to Chelsea

Arsenal doesn't seem keen on selling Sanchez to a direct rival.

Griezmann is staying in Spain.


Seems it's either we go for Lacazette, Morata, Belloti or we stick with what we have right now but try to build a strong caste around them (Maybe Rashford's star is refusing to dim?).

I think we need to do whatever it takes to buy either Morata or Lacazette and go ahead to improve in the wide areas and midfield. From all indications, United will likely have to spend more than others would to get new players. It's basic logic. We are perceived as extremely rich! No one will offer us any rate that is 'normal'. 'Normal' is not for the rich.

It shouldn't be, but it is the sad reality. I say, Ed and his team should negotiate hard and then buy. Which figure that comes down to, is anyone's guess.
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A combination of welbeck herenandez or even Vardy will offer more goals than morata could manage all season.
 
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