Its not, Chelsea got Kante for 30m last season. We can't be paying 78m for everyone.
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Its not, Chelsea got Kante for 30m last season. We can't be paying 78m for everyone.
Why would we even engage in any kind of ridiculous swap deals when by all reports DDG is happy to stay at the club?
Of course there are others - just that their players are cack and they'd still ask for ridiculous money. Madrid have two players that they could very reasonably be expected to offload and that we should be gagging at the bit to get (James and Morata) and there is no club in the world that has such players both available and of this quality.
That said, Madrid hold all the cards - the players are theirs, they have no financial need to sell, the players (specially Morata) are not making any noises about moving (the contrary in fact) and they're not best pleased with us. In this situation, for us to turn snooty and say "Hands off de Gea" and try to look elsewhere would be like cutting the nose to spite the face. We need to bite the bullet. If giving de Gea to them makes it easier for us to land our targets, we should be biting their hands off. It's madness to say "we should look elsewhere" or "what are the scouts doing?" or "give Martial another season" when all common sense and logic dictates that we should be taking this deal.
I really hope Woodward and Jose are reacting differently to what looks like a large part of the Caf.
That was then - things have changed a lot in 12 months. If someone wanted to buy Mahrez - it would probably cost close to £50 millions now - despite him not having a good season
I don't understand. We're buying him to be a first team player. He's not coming to sit on our bench. That's why he would leave Real Madrid. So, is £70m too much for a first choice striker? Seems about the going rate today.
And Real got Theo Hernandez on the cheap too. We got our fair share of bargains at times. Bailly looks cheap at the price we paid. However, this is not the rule and specially not so when it comes to premier attacking players.
Lest anyone forgets, Higuaín went for 79 Mn GBP last summer - and you could argue that he's not all that. Has a reputation for disappearing in all the big games (something he did nothing to alleviate in the finals) and was also dumped by Real years ago. He's older than Morata and scored just about as many goals this past season despite being the main man for the dominant team in his league. In that light, how do people expect Morata to cost 40-50 Mn? It beggars belief really.
Remember when we were linked with Ighalo 
Well, you don't know that do you? None of us truly know who is available, and I bet 78 million can get you some good quality.
No, common sense does not do that at all, if Madrid aren't mature enough to look at these negotiations as separate transactions then we shouldn't get into bed with them as far as I am concerned. We are entitled to ask for a reasonable fee for our best player, as they are entitled to keep hold of their players.
I don't want us funding their top transfers.
90 ml euros for is too much. Good player but if rumors are true that they refused a 60 ml offer from us move one.
Belotti for 70 ml pounds according to Di Marzio it's a great offer for Torino Fc. We'll see.
Belotti for 70 ml pounds according to Di Marzio it's a great offer for Torino Fc. We'll see.
He's a proven goal scorer in two tough leagues, and in European competition. He's always stepped up in big matches, and I reckon he'd be a huge star if he came to OT.
70 million is the going rate for this type of calibre player. And I'd personally much rather sign Alvaro Morata over Lukaku, Greizmann or Bellotti.
70 million is the going rate for this type of calibre player. And I'd personally much rather sign Alvaro Morata over Lukaku, Greizmann or Bellotti.
Looks like both clubs are willing to do a deal independently.
If we're signing a striker for €70m, he better bang in goals. None of this all round play crap.
Zidane and Ramos supposedly asking perez to keep navas makes me this is a standalone deal as well.
I've got a feeling 90 is too much and MUFC might back away. However I can see a deal happening for 80m if we are desperate to get him.
No I don't, but can you even think of players who are in the bracket we should be looking in who are available? We are not in any position to take punts on unheard-of 18 year olds. Belotti looks so painfully average if you watch his all-round game, but somehow people think he's evidence of bargains being available - despite even his release clause being 87 Million! It's bizarre to think we'll get bargains in this market.
The second part is what they want! Talk of de Gea and the prices will become more even. As for not getting in bed with them, well, as has been said before, are there any reasonable alternatives? If so, where? I'm quite certain that our team and scouts are not a bunch of clueless fecks and ahev done all their homework. If this is what they've arrived at, I think we should trust their judgment.
Well, easiest way is to go and bid ourselves then - except Mbappe doesn't want to move. Also, are you willing to take a 150 Mn punt on an 18 year old with half a good season behind him in France? Really? Finally, Real Madrid don't need Man United's money to fund that move anyway. They're not exactly a bunch of paupers you realise.
The level of self-awareness...
That was the same summer we paid 89m for Pogba so things haven't changed that much. Madrid are asking too much for Morata, do you think he's worth 78m?
I'm fecking flabbergasted by this whole 70 million quid bollocks... Morata a bit part player for every club he's played for!! If we sign him I will not be happy. Ok spend 70m on Lukaku or Aubamayang or even take a risk in someone like Icardi or Belotti. In all honesty I think even arsenal would consider a 70m bid for Sanchez but to spend in Morata is sickening.
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ofcourse he isn't. But Madrid have never cared. They always love to sell abnormally high.
We made a fair offer but I can see why Madrid rejected. As long as the player is not pushing for a move, we shouldnt up our bid
I agree 100% with this.
I think there's something wrong with football fans when they'd rather pass up on a good player, and instead keep the money in the bank and make do with a worse team. The obsession with transfer fees is getting beyond a joke.
I swear it was Di Marzio who said a week ago that Morata to Milan is almost done at €50 million. WTF happened? Now they're rejecting €60 million for him?
I don't know who's more mad, us bidding €60 million for him or Madrid rejecting it and asking for €30 million more. I hope we are sensible enough to walk away from this, his goal scoring record is average. He scored 15 goals in league in 63 appearances for Juve. 27 goals in 93 appearances for them in total, that's not even 1 in 3 record and Rashford who is basically a kid has a better ratio in 1 and a half season even though he couldn't buy a goal for six months.
People looking into his Real Madrid record are conveniently forgetting the fact that they are the best team in the world, they dominate the teams from first minute to last and have loads of creative players who create a lot more chances than us. Morata scored 8 league goals in his first season at Madrid while playing just 559 minutes, that's a goal per 69 minutes and this was in 13/14. His ratio drops off a cliff in next 2 seasons at Juventus and is up again this season when he goes back at Real. What does that tell you?
Below is a list of player who scored 20 goals or more this season across Top 5 leagues:
Morata just made the cut but there's also a huge caveat of playing for Real, there are better and more proven strikers on the list we can buy for the amount that's being asked for Morata. Lacazette and Aubameyang for starters.
Majority of CAF thinks Rashford is not ready to lead the line, I think the same but the market is so fecked right now, if everything fails I hope Rashford is given the responsibility and we sign a backup striker for him.
I don't know who's more mad, us bidding €60 million for him or Madrid rejecting it and asking for €30 million more. I hope we are sensible enough to walk away from this, his goal scoring record is average. He scored 15 goals in league in 63 appearances for Juve. 27 goals in 93 appearances for them in total, that's not even 1 in 3 record and Rashford who is basically a kid has a better ratio in 1 and a half season even though he couldn't buy a goal for six months.
People looking into his Real Madrid record are conveniently forgetting the fact that they are the best team in the world, they dominate the teams from first minute to last and have loads of creative players who create a lot more chances than us. Morata scored 8 league goals in his first season at Madrid while playing just 559 minutes, that's a goal per 69 minutes and this was in 13/14. His ratio drops off a cliff in next 2 seasons at Juventus and is up again this season when he goes back at Real. What does that tell you?
Below is a list of player who scored 20 goals or more this season across Top 5 leagues:
Premier League: Kane, Lukaku, Sanchez, Costa, Aguero, Alli, Ibrahimovic, Son
Serie A: Dzeko, Mertens, Belotti, Icardi, Higuain, Immobile, Insigne, Borriello
La Liga: Messi, Suarez, Ronaldo, Griezmann, Neymar, Aduriz, Aspas, Morata
Bundesliga: Aubameyang, Lewandowski, Modeste, Werner
Ligue 1: Cavani, Lacazette, Falcao, Gomis, Mbappe
Serie A: Dzeko, Mertens, Belotti, Icardi, Higuain, Immobile, Insigne, Borriello
La Liga: Messi, Suarez, Ronaldo, Griezmann, Neymar, Aduriz, Aspas, Morata
Bundesliga: Aubameyang, Lewandowski, Modeste, Werner
Ligue 1: Cavani, Lacazette, Falcao, Gomis, Mbappe
Morata just made the cut but there's also a huge caveat of playing for Real, there are better and more proven strikers on the list we can buy for the amount that's being asked for Morata. Lacazette and Aubameyang for starters.
Majority of CAF thinks Rashford is not ready to lead the line, I think the same but the market is so fecked right now, if everything fails I hope Rashford is given the responsibility and we sign a backup striker for him.
But we have a budget so paying over the odds for a player means we will have less to put towards other positions that need investment. That's why people care.
Morata has come out saying that there's only one Italian Club for him in Italy ie Juventus. AC Milan didn't like that comment
Yep.
Besides, Moussa Dembele will only cost them 30-33m if they convince him to jump ship from Celtic....
The deal may be done close to 70. The spread is 62-78 right now.
City aren't hunting for WC keepers because there are none available? Who is available? De Gea, Neuer, Courtois, Oblak? None. The very fact that they are ready to ditch keepers to sign 40 Million rated keeper shows how important it is to have very good GKs. Also all of the great teams had settled GKs, how many great GKs moved from their clubs?
Market is big, it's not do or die with Morata. Not sure why you are so desperate as if he is Messi or Ronaldo.
Your point? So we finished 6th means we have to be on our knees, let them take our best player and get chump change in return? So the team that wins CL gets to pick the best best players and the club that holds the said players should just let them take? Madrid can continue without DDG and we can without Morata.
Yeah sure. It's either Madird or Watfor. Btw Abel Hernandez plays for Hull.
How many players did Chelsea, Bayern, Juventus, Barca, PSG signed from Madrid in the recent past? Looks like they are doing well by signing players from elsewhere.
Also your whole argument is based on hypothetical scenario that we will get 3 players from Madrid when the reports are it's Morata + 23 Million for De Gea.
Benzema and Bale are in the same team and are usually on the field with the other starters, while Morata plays mainly with other team B members like James, but he still outscore both of them.
Since we don't seem to be interested in Auba, I think I'd rather have Rashford/Martial as our no.9 and look sign a winger instead to provide goals/assists.
If we signed Morata for £50m I'd have thought, we've been bumped, but whatever. £70m+ though, absolutely bonkers and would not blame the club for letting this one go.
If we signed Morata for £50m I'd have thought, we've been bumped, but whatever. £70m+ though, absolutely bonkers and would not blame the club for letting this one go.
Very realistic post.
The stats graphics that sky used to compare morata to other strikers was very impressive. His goals per minute was superb, i get its in the spanish league, still very impressive. I would happily take him, not just based off the sky comparisons, but because the prices/values of other strikers are ridiculous. Im confident united will make the right signings during the summer, but the longer they wait the less pool of players we have to choose from. Certainly dont want this to be a rush decision, but morata is a dam good striker, even if he only stays a year until next summer so we can see whats available then, not many top drawer strikers attainable this season.
I'll reiterate my point.
A lot of people in here rated Morata over Lukaku. Lukaku is going to go to Chelsea for £80m. Why shouldn't Morata go for comparable?
A lot of people in here rated Morata over Lukaku. Lukaku is going to go to Chelsea for £80m. Why shouldn't Morata go for comparable?
Yet, it is going to be Morata who is going to be binned and not Benzema and Bale. Also, please don't say Benzema is Perez favorite, James was too and Zidane had no problem tossing him aside.
Benzema managed 1 less goal than Morata this season and even resident Madrid fans would tell you that this was by far his worst season at the club and he struggled for form for large patches but there's a reason he remained first choice for them because he is a better fit for the XI. Bale has an injury ravaged season, so much as he could only muster 1400 mins of football. Don't know why it's seen as some sort of achievement he outscored a winger who's been in and out of the XI for the season.
Why don't you comment on his performances and numbers for Juventus where he was first choice? 27 in 93 is a poor record for a striker who is apparently worth €90 million. You're reading far too much into his record at Madrid, he comes on as a sub when the team is cruising by 3 or 4 goals and since teams in Spain don't have to worry about GD, they leave large gaps behind allowing Madrid to rip them to shreds. Morata has been a huge beneficiary of this, in Italy where the teams are defensively astute his record is there for all to see.
I've seen a lot of Morata over last 3 years and he's never stood out to me as someone who'd improve us immensely. He's never been more than a solid striker who is fairly strong, has a decent touch to link up the play and press the defence with average scoring record. That's also a fairly accurate description of Danny Welbeck, with positive in favor of Morata being ability to remain fit and a marginally better scoring record.
There's only one player who Madrid are willing to sell this summer who'll improve us 'immensely' and that is not Alvaro Morata, it's James Rodriguez. Yet, the majority of CAF do not want him who despite being a #10 has a better goalscoring record throughout his career than Morata who is billed as a #9.
We will have to overpay at some point unfortunately if there aren't any realistic options who is at Morata's level or above. We are the one who is in need of a striker. So either we overpay to get who we think will solve our problems or gamble on some youngster (not Mbappe obviously).
Pretty sure the same people also thinks Lukaku is going for a lot more than he should.
In that case let's all agree that every player costs more than they should and move on. Ultimately the only question that really matters is will Morata improve our team.
I'm not against signing Morata, but my concern with his goal/minute ratio is the number of nobody clubs in La Liga.
Having such a high return might be due to being subbed on against Grenada or something similar after already being 4-0 up. I see even with his 26 La Liga apps, which is potentially 2340 minutes, last season, he only played 1334 minutes. So it would seem like he's a great sub for Madrid. How that translates to a regular full 90 mins/game is the risk United will have to take, assuming we really ARE interested and this isn't all rag gossip.
Having such a high return might be due to being subbed on against Grenada or something similar after already being 4-0 up. I see even with his 26 La Liga apps, which is potentially 2340 minutes, last season, he only played 1334 minutes. So it would seem like he's a great sub for Madrid. How that translates to a regular full 90 mins/game is the risk United will have to take, assuming we really ARE interested and this isn't all rag gossip.
Ah, okay.
Because Lukaku has been constistently scoring double figures in the league for 5 years. Most often with shite midfields supplying him too.Morata hasn't.
Morata played at Juve and Real but only achieved double figures first time this year. And from our POV there's always the risk he might not adapt to the league or want to leave for his hometown Madrid in a years time.
I am not that arsed. I like Morata and at the same time think the quoted price is much higher than it should be. It's up to the manager and the club to evaluate the pros and cons of spending whatever is needed and if it's worth it. Reiterating that we do need a striker and Morata is decent and has potential to be that.
This is quite meaningless. If every player is going for a certain price, that's the cost of players. Saying every player costs more than they should is like saying everyone is above average height.
I don't think we should gamble on Rashford and Martial as our strikeforce next season or the season could quite easily turn out to be a complete disaster. Besides I still believe that Martial will be better from the left in the long run.
Regarding Morata, i think he could go on to become a really good striker. He's got a lot of good attributes. I would have loved Belotti but that was when i thought we'd get Silva and Griezmann, who could provide a world class supply to him. Now we've not got that I'm wondering if we need more of an all rounder up front. If we could supply Belotti well then i know he'll bag the goals and i can see him being a massive fans favourite.
Regarding Morata, i think he could go on to become a really good striker. He's got a lot of good attributes. I would have loved Belotti but that was when i thought we'd get Silva and Griezmann, who could provide a world class supply to him. Now we've not got that I'm wondering if we need more of an all rounder up front. If we could supply Belotti well then i know he'll bag the goals and i can see him being a massive fans favourite.
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