90mn for morata, i hope if perez calls for ddg woody tells him price is 300mn now and we get perez working as the cleaning lady for us for a season or no deal.
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We should go back for Muller or bid Lewadonski for 100M. 90M for Spanish Gestede is ridiculous.
We are not in a position to turn up our noses at Madrid castoffs. Morata and James would walk into our starting XI and improve us immensely.
Let Woody worry about the financials.
Let Woody worry about the financials.
At that absurd fee, no thanks. I'm happy to see Rashford and Martial develop or preferably go for a cheaper striker.
That'ss because Chicharito has limited allround ability. Not saying Morata is world class, but he has more to his game than just goals.
"Sky sources" have been dog shite lately.
Morata is happening isnt it...Lukaku would be my first choice, then Belotti, then Morata.
Mourinho likes to buy strikers that have a breakout season...because when a player gradually improves and reaches the 20+ goal mark he tends to stay there.
£78 million is £30 million too much for Morata but this market is fecked.
Mourinho likes to buy strikers that have a breakout season...because when a player gradually improves and reaches the 20+ goal mark he tends to stay there.
£78 million is £30 million too much for Morata but this market is fecked.
Some people call him the spanish Welbeck, well, he has a pretty good goal per minute ratio.
And that's without scoring any pens.
What teams did he play against?
As a 2nd 11 player, he would more than likely have played against teams in the bottom half. In those games, scores of 5-0 or 6-1 are not abnormal.
I don't understand this argument of degrading goals based on your arbitrary interpretation of importance. Same as Lukaku, who, despite his 'Premier League' goal scoring record, supposedly only scores cheap goals.
Did so many miss the large portion of the season where we lost out on a top 3 or 4 place when we went unbeaten for months, but couldn't score against lesser opposition...?
and what happened in the other 12yrs either of them was between the post? Madrid have won 3 CL in 4yrs and its not cos of Keylor Navas.
Despite the greatness of DDG that you are so keen to keep, we have finished outside the top 4 in 3 of the last season, but would rather keep him while we miss out or over pay for the attcking player that could actually win us the league
If you think DDG is sine qua non to United winning titles, you can buzz me when you come back to reality from la la land.
When you are playing with mostly other bench warmers like James, Kovacevic and Isco, then 5-0 and 6-1 are abnormal.
If our attack is as strong as Madrid's or Barca's then we can get away with shit keepers, but for now ours isn't. So your point is just moot. Adding Morata and James won't make us so strong that we can get away with average keepers.
A very good keeper is enough to win titles - you dont need a WC one. Schmeichel was 36 and in his twilight years when we won the CL, VdS was 38 and retired 3 season after winning the CL.
Right now we need to assemble trhe best outfield players, not just attackers, that we can get. We are far behind the competition, and they are still upgrading.Anyone looking Man City's activities would think they finished outside the top 4.
Morata + James may not be considered Wc (depending on how you define it) but they are young and not far from it. WC players are not easily acquired and you need to either spot them early and gamble (e.g. Juve on Dybala) or pay through your nose for it. Even with that, you will be stretched to sign a WC player every summer. If we dont get Morata and James, the alternatives will be worse and DDG for all his heroics would still not win us titles.
Yeah look at City activities, ditched gook GK to sign better ones.
GK is rated lower than outfield players that doesn't mean we have to ditch world class GK to sign 2 good players. You underrate GK a lot and it's very obvious from your posts. Maybe you don't know how shit GKs or even average ones makes whole defense nervous and makes team unstable.
Like you said, we don't have to sign world class players. Market is very big enough and scouts are paid good money to find players. You are acting as if club will be folded if we don't sign Morata and James.
As has been said, unfortunately, we could find ourselves very realistically in a position where we need Morata more than we they need De Gea. Then quality and "real value" kind of go out of the window.
As much as I've enjoyed our ability to spend big and at will over the last few summer windows, it is a risky tactic when you have a squad in real need of improvement. It's ok to go out and smash transfer records if you're winning leagues and competing regularly in the latter stages of the champions league, as the need for top top players to be brought in isn't as great. But by essentially showing our hand in an attempt to blow competition for players out of the water, we also give way too much power to clubs who have the players we're after but aren't in need of selling them.
This window we are desperate for a striker more than anything else, and there are still areas of the squad that need a lot of attention being payed to this window as well. If we don't want to sell De Gea this window, then dealing with Madrid might not be possible. So no Morata, James or - pipe-dream - Bale. Belotti is far too expensive, Lukaku seems set on Chelsea, and I'd wager Kane would be impossible to pry away from Tottenham at this moment.
Seems like Lacazette or Auba are the only top strikers we could go for and not be totally bent over. As I said, I do like our ability to now spend big on the best, but I do also miss the days of when we would unearth unheard of gems for absolute bargains like Solskjaer, Hernandez, even Van Nistelrooy to an extent given his injury problems prior to his move.
As much as I've enjoyed our ability to spend big and at will over the last few summer windows, it is a risky tactic when you have a squad in real need of improvement. It's ok to go out and smash transfer records if you're winning leagues and competing regularly in the latter stages of the champions league, as the need for top top players to be brought in isn't as great. But by essentially showing our hand in an attempt to blow competition for players out of the water, we also give way too much power to clubs who have the players we're after but aren't in need of selling them.
This window we are desperate for a striker more than anything else, and there are still areas of the squad that need a lot of attention being payed to this window as well. If we don't want to sell De Gea this window, then dealing with Madrid might not be possible. So no Morata, James or - pipe-dream - Bale. Belotti is far too expensive, Lukaku seems set on Chelsea, and I'd wager Kane would be impossible to pry away from Tottenham at this moment.
Seems like Lacazette or Auba are the only top strikers we could go for and not be totally bent over. As I said, I do like our ability to now spend big on the best, but I do also miss the days of when we would unearth unheard of gems for absolute bargains like Solskjaer, Hernandez, even Van Nistelrooy to an extent given his injury problems prior to his move.
Nobody has said we should get a crappy GK, but that a very good one will suffice. Neither of Bravo nor Ederson are world class, but you dont see City hunting around for WC option.
Yes I do value a GK the least in a team, and so does most of the successful football sides. Morata and James are very good players, and an opportunity to get the two of them by replacing them with a GK of Navas caliber is a very good opportunity. Better players like Griezmann are much harder and almost impossible to get.
Yes its a biog market, but there are not enough quality players to go around. The speed at which Monaco's team is being dismantled is proof. While you can try to find bargains that are not well known, you are more likely to end up with an Arsenal than a Madrid. One look at how the current Madrid was assembled, and shows what it takes to be successful in the modern game.
We do not enjoy the same privilege as Bayern and Juve, who can basically have their pickings of all the young talent in the league. Any decent player in the PL will be overrated and over priced.
As the summer progresses, available options will reduce e.g. Bernardo Silav is off the market. If our recruitment this summer is not better than the competition, we will only fall further behind in the chase.
So people want to sell a WC GK for a not so WC striker. No way should DDG be involved in any possible deal, but if such scenario should occur, Madrid need to pay us cash+Morata for DDG.
I like Morata a lot. He is only 24. Good 5 -6 years at United for the price of 10-15 mil per year. If he helps to win the league, you will forget about the transfer fee pretty fast. He is a smart player and I can see Miki, Mata and Martial only get better with him on the pitch. Not sure if James is an important transfer, but Morata must be a priority.
The club that finished 6th is making demands of the club that just won a league+CL double - yea right. Madrid can continue without DDG
Madrid want DDG, we NEED very good attackers but there are not many available in the market.
Is he actually errm any good? I haven't heard anyone championing to sign him before the last week or so.
The more reason why we should not let Martial go, Players too damm expensive.
I'd like Morata but no way should we allow ourselves to be fecked over by them again. De Gea should NOT be sold to them at any price. Not if they offer a 100m. It's a matter of principle now. Tell Perez to feck off next time he calls for De Gea. Morata is not an elite that should require us to bend over for them. 70m for a bench warmer. The sheer arrogance of the club.
Belotti and Lukaku are better, but are more expensive.
From the looks of it, we were going to get Griezmann but he didnt want to go because of the transfer ban. So we could be buying a cheaper no.9 so the Griezmann transfer can go through next season. We are rich, but we dont want to be spending £200 million net every season.
Morata is an above average striker, that has the potential to take it to next level. Tall, fast, Physical, good technical level but has not shown a goalscoring instinct like Aguero or Kane.
i think this transfer is dead. I wouldn't be surprised if Di Marzio's next update is either belotti or le'quipe say we are going big on lacazette
So weaken our team for a good but not very good attacker.
So in your opinion replacing DDG with Morata+James+Navas is a weaker team?
Since when does the deal include all three of those?
that's a completely fanciful swap. Duncan castles said at best we were asking 23m + Mortata for De Gea in an attempt to get Madrid to back off from De Gea.
Secondly, it's widely reported that senior players like Ramos, and Zidane have personally got involved and asked the club to keep navas.
This bid is all about Morata. If we want him, it's probably 85m+ euros.
90 million haha! suddenly Griezmann at 100 million and pogba at 89 million looks cheap.
It's not like we'd have no keeper or a crap one. For all the rubbish Man City fielded (crap defence and a joke of a keeper) they conceded just 10 more than us and finished well ahead.
We struggled - despite our WC keeper and strong defence - to score against Liverpool and City. We didn't fail to beat Stoke, Arsenal, City, Liverpool and co. on account of a weak defence and I'd argue that Romero in goal would also have see. Us to 6th. And he did see us win the EL.
We failed on account of our strikers. With Jose in charge we'll be defensively solid even without de Gea but without new and better attackers it's a fool who would back us to progress.
1. Madrid - MUFC relationship deterioration from the last De Gea Saga
2. Morata openly stating he wants to stay
3. United making it clear that De Gea is not an easy target this time around
No surprise from me that they are asking for 90m, although i am feeling quite happy with some of the caf responses to this after they said last night "thankfully we didn't get lukaku, lets get morata on the cheap"
Can we not just give Martial a chance up top?
Good news: Madrid is willing to sell, at least. And not forcing for DDG swap.
Bad news: Inflated price
Given that
1. A few of our top targets like Griezmann/Lukaku are either gone/unlikely
2. Morata being one of Mou's top wishlist (reportedly, he is #1)
3. Not many more options out there
4. "Free" money for not triggering Griezmann's buyout clause. "Replacement" for star signing.
5. Our financial strength
6. Inflated market
I think we will sign Morata.
Although the initial bid/ask spread of 60/90 is huge, if you take into account all the factors above, especially the inflated price, I think MU's final target price is somewhere around 70 (as a rule of thumb, compared to mid-price of 75 for the initial bid/ask spread), reaching a deal is not impossible.
MU know Real has no "incentive" to sell him, so the initial bidding price of 60 is part of the negotiation tactic, same as Real's asking price of 90.
Anyone on same page with me? Well whether he is worth that amount is another story
PS: Sportbet pricing 80% probability in our favor
Bad news: Inflated price
Given that
1. A few of our top targets like Griezmann/Lukaku are either gone/unlikely
2. Morata being one of Mou's top wishlist (reportedly, he is #1)
3. Not many more options out there
4. "Free" money for not triggering Griezmann's buyout clause. "Replacement" for star signing.
5. Our financial strength
6. Inflated market
I think we will sign Morata.
Although the initial bid/ask spread of 60/90 is huge, if you take into account all the factors above, especially the inflated price, I think MU's final target price is somewhere around 70 (as a rule of thumb, compared to mid-price of 75 for the initial bid/ask spread), reaching a deal is not impossible.
MU know Real has no "incentive" to sell him, so the initial bidding price of 60 is part of the negotiation tactic, same as Real's asking price of 90.
Anyone on same page with me?
Well whether he is worth that amount is another storyPS: Sportbet pricing 80% probability in our favor
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That is the hypothetical question for those that think we should hold on to DDG at all cost.
Its foolish to think we can, on one hand, tell Madrid to fvck off when it comes to DDG, but then, on the other hand, expect Madrid to play nice when it comes to Morata, James, Bale or any other of their player we may be interested in.
There are basically 3 options imo
1. Work out some deal in which DDG goes to Madrid and we get one or more of their player that we want at a reasonable/good price
2. Hold on to DDG and pay over odds to get any player we want from Madrid e.g. Morata is not worth 85m even to his fairy godmother
3. Hold on to DDG and try and buy from other clubs with the next question being which players/clubs?
My choice is #1, in that we use DDG to get as much of what we want from Madrid and hopefully have all our summer signing done before pre-season starts.
Are Madrid the only club in the world? There are other places that I am sure will deal with us. Honestly I'd rather us just stay away from Madrid.
Good news: Madrid is willing to sell, at least
Bad news: Inflated price
Given that
1. A few of our top targets like Griezmann/Lukaku are either gone/unlikely
2. Morata being one of Mou's top wishlist (reportedly, he is #1)
3. Not many more options out there
4. "Free" money for not triggering Griezmann's buyout clause. "Replacement" for star signing.
5. Our financial strength
6. Inflated market
I think we will sign Morata.
Although the bid/ask spread of 60/90 is huge, if you take into account all the factors above, especially the inflated price, I think MU's target price is 70 (compared to mid-price of 75), reaching a deal is not impossible.
MU know Real has no "incentive" to sell him, so the initial bidding price of 60 is part of the negotiation tactic, same as Real's asking price of 90.
Anyone on same page with me?
PS: Sportbet pricing 80% probability in our favor
I think a deal can be done for 80-85m euros.
However i don't think we are going to do it. IMO, the next Di Marzio update might be that we've moved on to belotti as a "project", hence justifying the fee. Even though i don't want belotti this window, he needs to prove himself again, I could see that happening.
I might be completely wrong on the morata talks though. Lets see if Di Marzio has another update today.
I am sure Watford would gladly deal with us. Any takers on 50m for Abel Hernandez?
Okay, so there are two clubs? Gotcha.
I don't understand why some aren't happy with the price (not saying they are worth 100m). It's what you have to shell out these days to get any reasonable player.
Also those who say just let Rashford and Martial develop up top - sure that's all good and all but if we want to challenge/win the PL and have a deep run in CL you need someone already established with experience to do so and someone who can bloody finish chances. We need a 20+ goal scorer and atm Rashford and Martial are not close. Martial is also imo better on the wing, with his pace and ability to get past players.
Also those who say just let Rashford and Martial develop up top - sure that's all good and all but if we want to challenge/win the PL and have a deep run in CL you need someone already established with experience to do so and someone who can bloody finish chances. We need a 20+ goal scorer and atm Rashford and Martial are not close. Martial is also imo better on the wing, with his pace and ability to get past players.
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