Álvaro Morata | Chelsea player

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Not sure how good this guy really is. As its hard to judge on such little game time.

If we actually wnat him. I say offer 50M back +10M in addons, League, CL and Ballon D'Or. Of course you hold a little wiggle room back. But just a little wiggle room

If they dont react like a team willing to do business walk away, say "thanks but not thanks, you choose not to do business..." And smile like you won the lottery. They will soon realise this means no DDG and we go get someone off a club who wont act like they got nothing to lose.
Like Belotti for €87m? :nervous:
 
Thought you was talking about the player. Yeah that was ridiculous but as mentioned it was his buyout clause and Napoli refused to negotiate with Juventus. If we bid for instance he would have cost around £50m.

Yeah but Juve could've said 'f this we've got a wad of cash for Pogba why don't we buy Aubamyang?'

Juve wanted Higuain specifically. There are some understandable reasons for this. He is a good striker, even if he goes missing in big games. Buying him also, at face value, weakened Napoli (although Napoli still had a really good season this year anyway). Still, with the Pogba money Juve could've got other forwards as good, if not better, than Higuain. They probably could've got them cheaper too.

Juve chose to spunk €90 million on Higuain because, for some reason, they thought it was worth triggering his buy out clause.
 
Watched videos for him and his hold-up play is excellent. He's not Zlatan-esque that will drop to the midfield all the time, but he'll still be a target for the balls, control and hold it and allows the others to enter the game.
Diego Costa esque.
 
United will have to either put DDG into play or expect to pay a premium to get any player from Madrid.

Of course, some fans would rather be petulant and delude themselves that Madrid needs to sell a player. They can afford to buy Mbappe without selling anybody.

If at some point, Madrid does lose interest in DDG, we would be in an even weaker position. They are trying to reinforce a great team while we are still trying to build a good one - they have more room for error than we do..
 
We need our Spanish players to speak publicly about Morata's quality saying he would be a great addition to United.
 
If he's the player Jose has on his list, he's the man who can make our attacking tactics finally work. United under Mourinho aren't Real under Zidane.

Trust the manager. Feck the price. I'd rather have a functioning team than a bit of extra money in the club's bank account. This isn't a video game where budgeting is part of gameplay.
 
I do not rate him at all. If a striker like Morata is that expensive I am done with football. I mean we have two much more talented strikers then Morata in Rashford and Martial. What a stupid transfer window...
 
Yeah but Juve could've said 'f this we've got a wad of cash for Pogba why don't we buy Aubamyang?'

Juve wanted Higuain specifically. There are some understandable reasons for this. He is a good striker, even if he goes missing in big games. Buying him also, at face value, weakened Napoli (although Napoli still had a really good season this year anyway). Still, with the Pogba money Juve could've got other forwards as good, if not better, than Higuain. They probably could've got them cheaper too.

Juve chose to spunk €90 million on Higuain because, for some reason, they thought it was worth triggering his buy out clause.

True but he was still guaranteeing you goals. Yes he's a premonition of Lukaku I.e. Never there when it really matters most recently champions league but can look back to the World Cup final. If we are going to relate this to Morata I don't see what I'll say 'class' role he offers to the team that makes him worth Real's price tag.
 
Honestly can't see him costing more than 50m and even thats stretching it
 
I do not rate him at all. If a striker like Morata is that expensive I am done with football. I mean we have two much more talented strikers then Morata in Rashford and Martial. What a stupid transfer window...

I'm surprised more people aren't raising the point of Rashford and Martial missing minutes if we sign Morata.

Is he definitely a better option than both/either of them?
 
United will have to either put DDG into play or expect to pay a premium to get any player from Madrid.

Of course, some fans would rather be petulant and delude themselves that Madrid needs to sell a player. They can afford to buy Mbappe without selling anybody.

If at some point, Madrid does lose interest in DDG, we would be in an even weaker position. They are trying to reinforce a great team while we are still trying to build a good one - they have more room for error than we do..
If we put de gea into play who will we get instead. Oblak is impossible because of the ban.
 
I'm surprised more people aren't raising the point of Rashford and Martial missing minutes if we sign Morata.

Is he definitely a better option than both/either of them?
Rashford will still get minutes. But martial can play lwf.
 
United will have to either put DDG into play or expect to pay a premium to get any player from Madrid.

Of course, some fans would rather be petulant and delude themselves that Madrid needs to sell a player. They can afford to buy Mbappe without selling anybody.

If at some point, Madrid does lose interest in DDG, we would be in an even weaker position. They are trying to reinforce a great team while we are still trying to build a good one - they have more room for error than we do..

It is not entirely true that Madrid can buy Mbappe without selling players. Madrid is a rich club but its not like PSG or Man City, which can just make up what's missing from column A by magically finding petrodollars in column B.

For all the talk about how crazily Florentino Perez runs Madrid his Galactico strategy is, from a business standpoint, fairly well thought through. Generally, when Madrid is going to make a big purchase, it clears the decks of the last lot that have lost their sheen. Plenty of very good players have been moved on to fund new toys, and Madrid tends to get good prices too. Look at how much Madrid made just from shipping out Ozil and Di Maria. Madrid will also make good money this summer off James, Morata and others judged surplus to requirements.

This does not make Morata a bad player, it just means that as @Mainoldo says, there isn't anything in his record to justify the rumored asking price. I like Morata, I think he's got a lot of potential, and I think he's maturing as a forward and think he could do really well in England. Its not a sure thing though. For £78 million you kinda want a sure thing.
 
I wonder if this leak is coming from Madrid's side in return for the United leak about rejecting Madrid's £60m bid for De Gea.
 
So what's your explanation for his Napoli record which got him the move?
2016/17 serie A was a bit of a statistical anomaly so this doesn't show the whole picture but...higuain scored 7 more non-penalty goals than mertens did this season, and their goal/minute ratio is very close(1.09 vs 0.98), and mertens spent the first two months of the season as a creator rather than the focal point of the offense AND it took the team another couple months before they clicked with Mertens as their main goalscorer.

How much of that is down to the differencez between the two seasons and how much is down to Sarri is hard to say. Higuain's goal per minute ratio was 0.73 for juve this season, while Napoli finished with more points(86 vs 82), more goals(94 vs 80!), and a better GD(+55 vs +48). Juventus played in third gear the whole season and finished with same points(91), more goals(77/75), but worse GD(+55/+50)

Btw, Morata has everything to be a beast. He just needs the right manager and environment
 
I love it how you guys are shocked. Wtf, There is a no name goalie signs for 40 million and you want Morata for 50.

60 mil+10 mil bonus for 25 league goals for 2 consecutive years.
 
Not sure how good this guy really is. As its hard to judge on such little game time.

If we actually wnat him. I say offer 50M back +10M in addons, League, CL and Ballon D'Or. Of course you hold a little wiggle room back. But just a little wiggle room

If they dont react like a team willing to do business walk away, say "thanks but not thanks, you choose not to do business..." And smile like you won the lottery. They will soon realise this means no DDG and we go get someone off a club who wont act like they got nothing to lose.
Ballon dor clause ? Really?
 
- 27 goals scored this season - Madrid/Spain.
- 01 goal each 66 minutes played.
When you give him game time he will deliver.
His link play is the best among those CFs supposed linked with United.
In the current market his price tag its not absurd.
 
I don't know what's funnier, that we offered €60m for this guy or that Madrid rejected it?
 
If you think he's worse than Lacazette, Martial or Rashford you simply haven't watched him play. He's better than Lukaku too.

Him or Belotti are the two strikers on the market that I'd consider very good buys for United. Morata is a perfect modern striker, he's very good at everything. There are some strange opinions around here from people that clearly haven't followed him regularly.

That price is clearly too much but that doesn't mean he's not good enough.
 
2016/17 serie A was a bit of a statistical anomaly so this doesn't show the whole picture but...higuain scored 7 more non-penalty goals than mertens did this season, and their goal/minute ratio is very close(1.09 vs 0.98), and mertens spent the first two months of the season as a creator rather than the focal point of the offense AND it took the team another couple months before they clicked with Mertens as their main goalscorer.

How much of that is down to the differencez between the two seasons and how much is down to Sarri is hard to say. Higuain's goal per minute ratio was 0.73 for juve this season, while Napoli finished with more points(86 vs 82), more goals(94 vs 80!), and a better GD(+55 vs +48). Juventus played in third gear the whole season and finished with same points(91), more goals(77/75), but worse GD(+55/+50)

Btw, Morata has everything to be a beast. He just needs the right manager and environment


He still equaled almost 90 years old record in the highest number of goals in Seria A the season before in Napoli. His price was over the top but he was leading striker in Seria A and a proven, prolific goalscorer, moving from a direct rival.

While I agree Morata could develop into a great attacker and rate him very highly, he is not nearly enough proven to justify that asking price. In fact, you are giving him for the first time in his career duty to lead the attack of a top club. A burden that he never experienced before. It could still go either way, despite his potential.


Wonder how much Harry Kane would be available for?

EPL rival, Levy, this market... Would like to ask just out of curiosity.
 
If we put de gea into play who will we get instead. Oblak is impossible because of the ban.
We dont need a WC keeper urgently and can make do with even Navas if Madrid would send him the other way e.g. DDG+Cash for Navas+Morata+James. Even a keeper like Romero or Hart would suffice as a stop gap.

I dont value a WC keeper as much as some seem to. I watched RM score two goals off deflections leaving Buffon with almost no chance of making a save. I watched Madrid bombard Neuer till he broke his foot and saw Oblak with all his heroics still concede 4 goals in 180mins. No amount of great GK would have stopped Madrid from winning the CL.
 
United will have to either put DDG into play or expect to pay a premium to get any player from Madrid.

Of course, some fans would rather be petulant and delude themselves that Madrid needs to sell a player. They can afford to buy Mbappe without selling anybody.

If at some point, Madrid does lose interest in DDG, we would be in an even weaker position. They are trying to reinforce a great team while we are still trying to build a good one - they have more room for error than we do..
DDG has nothing to do with this deal. This isn't an American sport where you are balancing out contracts via trades to stay under a salary cap.

If we want him and he is up for it he will be in red next season.
 
£60m is the new £30m, we should just get used to this now. The market has gone crazy and we've contributed a lot to that. There's only 4-5 strikers "available" at the moment which could possibly fit us, and we'll have to pay over the odds to get someone because we're desperately in need of a striker.

Personally, I think he'd be a very good addition for us. Haven't watched him play a lot, but he seems very well-rounded as a striker, and technically very good. Not sure about his killer-instinct in front of goal, though. Still, if we manage to get him we definitely need to sign a producing winger as well.
 
Bring back Scholes! Scholes in a midfield three with Pogba and Herrera would dominate every team on the planet. We don't need a work horse, we need a game changer!

I'm not sure about Morata.. He's never really scored many goals. Having said that, who else is there? We need someone.. At half the price of Lukaku......maybe... I'm not convinced.
That's exactly the sort of player I'm thinking of the be honest. A player who can control a game and rarely puts a foot wrong, offers something going forward too. A mix of Carrick and Scholes would be ideal.

Morata > Lukaku any day.
 
We dont need a WC keeper urgently and can make do with even Navas if Madrid would send him the other way e.g. DDG+Cash for Navas+Morata+James. Even a keeper like Romero or Hart would suffice as a stop gap.

I dont value a WC keeper as much as some seem to. I watched RM score two goals off deflections leaving Buffon with almost no chance of making a save. I watched Madrid bombard Neuer till he broke his foot and saw Oblak with all his heroics still concede 4 goals in 180mins. No amount of great GK would have stopped Madrid from winning the CL.
We shouldn't weaken that position with the league so tight and close. Yes we need a top keeper and oblak is the only one next to de gea and buyable. Donna has 2-3 years to develop.
 
£60m is the new £30m, we should just get used to this now. The market has gone crazy and we've contributed a lot to that. There's only 4-5 strikers "available" at the moment which could possibly fit us, and we'll have to pay over the odds to get someone because we're desperately in need of a striker.

Personally, I think he'd be a very good addition for us. Haven't watched him play a lot, but he seems very well-rounded as a striker, and technically very good. Not sure about his killer-instinct in front of goal, though. Still, if we manage to get him we definitely need to sign a producing winger as well.
There is only 4-5 strikers available period

Auba at BvB who went to PSG for 70me
Balotelli at Nice who is rumoured to be headed to BvB
Griezmann at Atletico, now confirmed to be staying

Belotti at Torino who want 100me
Lukaku at Everton who want 80me-100me
Morata at Madrid who want 75me+
Mbappe at Monaco who want 100me+
Lacazette at Lyon who want 60me+

So the options are very limited. You will have to cough up the cash regardless.
 
£60m is the new £30m, we should just get used to this now. The market has gone crazy and we've contributed a lot to that. There's only 4-5 strikers "available" at the moment which could possibly fit us, and we'll have to pay over the odds to get someone because we're desperately in need of a striker.

Personally, I think he'd be a very good addition for us. Haven't watched him play a lot, but he seems very well-rounded as a striker, and technically very good. Not sure about his killer-instinct in front of goal, though. Still, if we manage to get him we definitely need to sign a producing winger as well.
We have not contributed to it at all. Oil clubs real Madrid barcelona and Daniel levy has with the bale deal. We are a victim of it.
 
I hope we don't get him to be honest. We need someone better to be our main striker. Those prices are absolutely idiotic for a player like him who has never been more then a squad player anywhere. Sure he might improve somewhere given added responsibilities, but it's a risk, and I'd rather go for someone who is more of a sure bet which he is very far from. If we signed Griezmann, then Morata would be an excellent partner as he wouldn't be the main goalscorer. With no griezmann means we need a more clinical striker basically.
 
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I'm surprised more people aren't raising the point of Rashford and Martial missing minutes if we sign Morata.

Is he definitely a better option than both/either of them?

He is, but also if we don't sign a winger I think there are enough minutes for everyone, even if we play 4-3-3 most of the time:

---------------Morata/Rashford
Martial/Rashford----------Mkhitaryan/Mata

and Mata or Rashford starting when we play a 2 man midfield, presumably in a 4-2-3-1.

With Europe, and we can safely assume we'll at least be in the EL again even if the CL knockouts are a disaster and assuming something like 40 starts with a 4-3-3 and 20 in a 4-2-3-1 to pull a number out of my ass, that's 200 attacking starts for 5 players, so 40 starts each, which is perfect. Assuming even excellent health and something like 20 games for those 5 players lost to injury/suspension in a normal year and you have Lingard's starts as well, or preferably Zlatan's if he comes back halfway through the year.

We can sign Morata, a CM, an LB and a CB and give Martial and Rashford a great chance to get first XI minutes and actually produce with talent around them rather than having them take on 3 players all the goddamn time.
 
Redcafe: "Oh thank god we didn't pay for lukaku, we can just buy Morata on the cheap" :lol::lol::lol:

Now morata is too expensive and openly stating his desire to play for Madrd, and we're looking at a lukaku priced player (belotti) that is nothing more than a prospect. :wenger::wenger:
 
I hope we sign him, for a good price. Much rather him to lukaku.

That said, Silva for £43mil is looking more and more like a bargain.
 
Redcafe: "Oh thank god we didn't pay for lukaku, we can just buy Morata on the cheap" :lol::lol::lol:

Now morata is too expensive and openly stating his desire to play for Madrd, and we're looking at a lukaku priced player (belotti) that is nothing more than a prospect. :wenger::wenger:

We will never be happy man. It's the new way of the site. Unless we sign Neymar in two years after willing the balon d'or, and getting a treble while saying he loves clouds.
 
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