It's dead. No way Mou would have talked about player from other clubs if we were signing him.
He usually avoid these kind of questions unless it's definitely not happening.
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He usually avoid these kind of questions unless it's definitely not happening.
Why is Morata not kicking up a fuss if he wants to leave so bad.
This is his career, livlihood and practically life on the line here....and he seems to be nonchantly sitting on the sidelines and letting his stupid club dictate things. Serves him right tbh.
This is his career, livlihood and practically life on the line here....and he seems to be nonchantly sitting on the sidelines and letting his stupid club dictate things. Serves him right tbh.
Well he didn't want to be left out in the cold if we fecked it up? I am sure that he tried privately, but trying it publicly is blowing up bridges with explosive not just burn them.
Imagine if DDG had done that when he wanted to leave. The deal fell through and he's been here another two years but he's acted with class so the fans never give him a hard time.
I don't know... Seems like there could be some Mou mind games going on. Why would he say that he doesn't speak about any players and then mention Matic and Morata. I know the counter-argument is that he's not interested and he can speak about them, but I'm not so sure. Going from being keen to sign Morata to happy to admit it's not going to happen seems slightly suspect. Maybe this is his way of letting Matic and Morata know that we are keen, but there needs to be a push from their side.
If Mou was all about respecting other clubs, then he wouldn't have mentioned anyone at all.
no way we will be back in for him now we have lukaku, we will probably go back in for antoine griezmann .
Di Marzio said yesterday united's final offer was €85M, but we turned it down and asked for €90M. If that's the case, that means we never had any intention of selling and the negotiations with united were a farce to give the player the appearance that we were willing to let him go
Lukaku is long term, and then there's Rashford who's could be even longer. Having Lukaku and Morata would stifle Rashford's progression too much. The current proposed model whereby we go into the season with Lukaku and Rashford as our main strikers, and then bring in Ibra later for a boost is much more appealing IMO.
Morata like Lukaku is not good enough currently. In either of these players we will be investing in the future. Ibra already proved last season that he's at the required level for us. That's why I'd rather get Ibra back, and use that money to reinforce elsewhere. A strike force of Lukaku, Ibra and Rashford would be more than enough. It's the other positions that I'm more worried about with regards to contributing to goals.
Because he doesn't actually want to leave? He's a Madrid fan, and his ideal scenario would be to play every week there?
But he dyed his hair...
I think he knows he should leave, for playing time, but he doesn't want to.
What a stupid post
The lad had his heart and mind set on moving to United. He returned from his honeymoon early to try and kickstart the process. His agent and father met Madrid a couple of times to iterate that he wanted to leave.
At the end of the day, Madrid held the aces as he is under contract. Unless United met the price they wanted then it wasn't going to happen.
I feel sorry for the lad, zidane has told him he's not first choice yet Madrid price him out of getting a move.
Very, very harsh on Lukaku - the guy is one of the 3 top PL CFs of the last 4 years, the 2? Kane and Aguero.
Morata is a totally unproven, RM back-up, whereas Rom has been here, in this league, proving his credentials over years.
I think Lukaku is a better CF for the PL than Zlatan - not that I'm saying he's a better footballer.
Zlatan missed a lot of chances last season, and if Rom had been in our team instead, I think it's safe to say he would've scored more.
I wasn't saying they're equal, but neither is good enough to be at the level we need them to be at. Lukaku maybe is closer to that level than Morata, but he's still not at that threshold. Also I'm not just talking strictly about the PL, Lukaku is largely untested in European football too (Morata has much more credit). I'd like to think we are a team ready to compete domestically and in European competition. For me it doesn't make sense to get both Lukaku and Morata, especially for the prices being quoted. Rather we are better off investing in one, and bringing in Zlatan.
Without the injury Zlatan would have got around 35 goals. How many are you expecting Lukaku to get?
I am beginning to feel sorry for Lukaku because we are all expecting a lot. If nobody else chips in with goals like they should, all the pressure will be on him and pressure and scrutiny at United is a lot more than at Everton or WBA.
honestly I think he could have been on 35 before he got injured. People may look at out league position and talk about how we were shit but we fecking blew teams away last season and created a shit load of chances and missed the majority of them. Zlatan missing a bucket load and having the worse chance missed ratio in the league yet still getting 28 speaks volumes to our chance creation last season.
You should stop watching the Burnley and Stoke games on repeat and go watch some of our other home games.
He scored 28 didn't he? So you're allocating him a 1/4 of a season's worth for the last month of the season that he missed?
It was really strange last year. that aside. He did score a lot, but had an appalling conversion ratio.
Hopefully Lukaku will put more away. He'll get more chances for us than for Everton, so let's see.
Jesus. "Around".
There were more than those 2. But while we didn't "Blow away" everyone, we definitely should have won the majority of the home draws.
I can remember City for a half looking imperious against us, but the second half was open. Liverpool, you could argue a draw was fair, maybe the same with Everton, as we did equalise with the last kick of the game.
But pretty much every other game we should have won, and it was getting farcical at times.
You hyped the figure up to try and prove your point.
I'm pointing out he wouldn't have scored 7 in the last few games, bearing in mind we had Chelsea, Arsenal, Tottenham left and could well have been rotated anyway as we put all our eggs in the Europa basket.
30 is more likely.
Can Lukaku better that? Why not, as long as he plays the 50 odd games Ibra did.
You think Ibrahimovic would only have scored 2 goals in the remaining 10 games? So he goes from 28 in 46 games to 2 in 10? Rooney got 3 in that time.
28 in 46 games equates to 6 goals in 10 games. Taking him to 34, so "around 35" seems perfectly reasonable."Around"
Fair play.
And yeah, I defo don't think we should bring in both of them (and am glad we got Rom of the 2).
Sounds like you're being a bit selective here. Let's assume Zlatan would've played the remaining games after his injury. He would've almost certainly wound up somewhere in the low to mid 30s. Will Lukaku match what a 35 year old Zlatan did ? Who knows.
I think he wants to but how to do you force your way out without looking like a prat? Transfer request?
DDG did it in a very subtle manner a few years ago.
How many goals did Zlatan score after making them himself? Would Lukaku have done the same, some of Zlatans goals were made from nothing and although he missed a lot of chances i think he balanced that with the goals from nothing.
At the end of the day, you're suggesting Lukaku wouldn't score more than Ibra.
Even though Lukaku scored 25 in the league and Ibra scored 17.
Even if you give him this extra 7 goals, he's still on fewer league goals for a worse team.
Your post tickled me, so I watched the goals back, and I wonder how you define "making them himself".
He scored a free kick v Southampton, and 2-3 goals from decent range after taking a touch to open it up, do you define those as making them himself? I'm not sure I'd describe many at all in that manner. Not like he was Ronaldo, picking the ball up miles out, beating players and then slotting home. Vast vast majority were simple assists.
Zlatan I believe created the most chances of anyone in the squad. He did miss a lot of chance though yes.
Go on strike, go public, make a full tilt effort (ala Cesc, Berbatov, Suarez, etc).
Obsessed with 'loyalty bonus' or whatever they await.
Ps Roo and Ronnie did it and worked out ok for them (re staying for a season or more).
like which. since you assume that's the only ones we were good in
If that's true, it seems like Morata was actually United's first choice. Why else would we submit a massive bid just a day before agreeing a fee for Lukaku? Also have to wonder why we were willing to go to €85m but not €90m, while paying more for Lukaku.
Since when has Lukaku scored 25 for a top side?
PL proven is not the same as Top club PL proven. Just look at Schneiderlin.
Yes he's less of a risk than Morata probably, but let's not act like it's 100% guaranteed that Lukaku will be great for United.
Since when has Lukaku scored 25 for a top side?
PL proven is not the same as Top club PL proven. Just look at Schneiderlin.
Yes he's less of a risk than Morata probably, but let's not act like it's 100% guaranteed that Lukaku will be great for United.
Schneiderlin never scored 25 goals a season anywhere?
Joe knows exactly what he's bought and how to play him. LVG bought many a square peg and tried to fit them into a round hole.
I'm certain Lukaku will score a lot of goals for us, the team will be set up for him to excell at what he does well. It'll all be down to his conversion rate, just as it was for Ibra.
Id have preferred Morata, as he's much more of a team player. But time to move on and deal with the past....
I said he made them from nothing, the goal against Swansea and then the goal against West Brom. There could be others but I cant remember any others. I take it you mean the Brazilian Ronaldo as CR7 scores the vast vast majority of his goals from simple assists as most good strikers do. I was merely referencing the fact that Zlatan can use a bit of skill to beat a man to score a goal from an unlikely situation. You say that Lukaku would score more than Zlatan because he played for Everton but out of the two id rather Zlatan for his overall play.
The lad should be a first XI player at a top club, not waiting for Benzema to get tired.
Madrid are pricing him out of a move.
You simply don't pay €90m for a player who isn't a starter for his current club.
Madrid are pricing him out of a move.
You simply don't pay €90m for a player who isn't a starter for his current club.
The goal Lukaku scored against Chelsea last year is what i'd say is making a goal from nothing.
Zlatan had some nice overall play, but the problem with United is every single element is over analysed, so he can score his 28 goals, and still a lot of us think he gave the ball away a lot/missed loads.
I hope Lukaku scores early on, so we don't have any pressure building
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